What!!!! No ashtray

kannibul · 03-25-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The problem is the smoke. It carries and gets annoying. If it didn't smell or and present a second hand safefty risk I don't think anyone would give a damn about it.

Exactly. Nothing like being a musician, and just having band practice (let alone playing out)...coming home, and smelling it the next day in your clothes...then smelling it again days later as you're loading your washing machine.

My coat will stink of cigarettes for DAYS after I go to the guitar player's house. My Dad gave me a nice leather coat...that took 6 months to stop stinking up my closet, and even now if I move it, it stinks. My Dad also gave me his 75 Les Paul Custom 4 years ago...and take a guess at how long it's taken to stop stinking...it hasn't yet. Every time I open it, I smell the stink of cigarettes.

Last night I was helping my bass player re-wire his PA speaker cabinets, and I got a nose full of 30 years of bar-funk...I about had to stop what I was doing...

The smoke stinks, it causes issues with anyone and everyone within a 20ft radius, and it's persistent....like herpes.

j.arnaldo · 03-25-2010, 10:09 AM

I'm with you, Steve. NO smoking/drinking/eating in MY beaZt! It's a thrill machine, not a Bar, Eatery or anything of the sort!

370Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 10:21 AM

Thrill Machine, baby!

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 02:59 PM

I was next to a car at a stop light that had 4 adults in it and a small child in a car seat in the back between 2 adults. All 4 adults were smoking, just killing the kid IMO. Guess they dont know what 2nd hand smoke can do.

kenchan · 03-25-2010, 03:13 PM

im a musician. i dont smoke. smoking is for kids and dumbarses.

how's that?

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 03:45 PM

I don't smoke, but cigarette taxes in New York City are over $4 a pack.

I don't smoke and I hate it. But I support peoples rights to do it if they please. And any government based tax on goods because they're "bad" for you is unconstitutional crap. It needs to stop.

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

I don't smoke, but cigarette taxes in New York City are over $4 a pack.

I don't smoke and I hate it. But I support peoples rights to do it if they please. And any government based tax on goods because they're "bad" for you is unconstitutional crap. It needs to stop.

Its not the bad for you, the person smoking, that they care about really. Its the problems they are doing to those around them that dont smoke. Kill yourself, those that smoke, but not those that dont. You think that little girl in the car I saw had a choice on them smoking and hurting her young and growing lungs? If they do that enough she will have problems even if she doesnt learn from them and smoke.

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Its not the bad for you, the person smoking, that they care about really. Its the problems they are doing to those around them that dont smoke. Kill yourself, those that smoke, but not those that dont. You think that little girl in the car I saw had a choice on them smoking and hurting her young and growing lungs? If they do that enough she will have problems even if she doesnt learn from them and smoke.

Oh i totally agree with you 100%. But problems such as those aren't fixed by taxing the product. A awful parent poisoning their child with a $10 pack of cigarettes is no different than an awful parent poisoning their child with a $5 pack.

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

Oh i totally agree with you 100%. But problems such as those aren't fixed by taxing the product. A awful parent poisoning their child with a $10 pack of cigarettes is no different than an awful parent poisoning their child with a $5 pack.

I know it was a joke about raising the taxes to support the new health care plan it just gotta little side tracked.

kannibul · 03-25-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

Oh i totally agree with you 100%. But problems such as those aren't fixed by taxing the product. A awful parent poisoning their child with a $10 pack of cigarettes is no different than an awful parent poisoning their child with a $5 pack.

Except a $5 tax on top of each pack sold would go a long way towards paying for the expenses that the user or their child may face when it comes to smoking related illnesses.

1 pack a day, $5 x 365 x 30 years smoking = approx $55K. That's not even close to what radiation costs...but it'd help.

Nick911sc · 03-25-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

Except a $5 tax on top of each pack sold would go a long way towards paying for the expenses that the user and their child may face when it comes to smoking related illnesses.

1 pack a day, $5 x 365 x 30 years smoking = approx $55K. That's not even close to what radiation costs...but it'd help.

Which is why the govt shouldn't be adding the tax on top. It takes that money out of their pocket. It's not like they give the money back if you get cancer.

370Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick911sc

I don't smoke, but cigarette taxes in New York City are over $4 a pack.

I don't smoke and I hate it. But I support peoples rights to do it if they please. And any government based tax on goods because they're "bad" for you is unconstitutional crap. It needs to stop.

They don't tax tobacco because it's bad for you. It's a Excise (consumption) tax, much like the tax on alcohol or gasoline... and soon, if there is a God, marijuana.

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

They don't tax tobacco because it's bad for you. It's a Excise (consumption) tax, much like the tax on alcohol or gasoline... and soon, if there is a God, marijuana.

bit I do that without taxes now. hmmm might have to have maijuana party to stop them from taxing us.

I dont really smoke it, I get tested at work.

370Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

bit I do that without taxes now. hmmm might have to have maijuana party to stop them from taxing us.

I dont really smoke it, I get tested at work.

Yes! The Pot Party! We stand for stuff, but can't remember what it is

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 04:04 PM

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Yes! The Pot Party! We stand for stuff, but can't remember what it is

Thats GOOD man, really GOOD.

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Nick911sc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,698 Drives: 2010 Nissan GT-R Rep Power: 22	I don't smoke, but cigarette taxes in New York City are over $4 a pack. I don't smoke and I hate it. But I support peoples rights to do it if they please. And any government based tax on goods because they're "bad" for you is unconstitutional crap. It needs to stop.