Car and Driver Crashes a Nismo 370Z

theDreamer · 12-30-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Really?

From a Nismo catalog, not very hard to find:

NISMO is world-renowned as the premier source for extreme Nissan performance. From Japanese GT racers to Dakar Rally trucks, to the wildest
versions of the Skyline GT-R, NISMO gives you an all-access pass to genuine factory-engineered, dyno-tested, racetrack-proven performance.
And as you’d expect from the same engineers who design Sports Prototypes to run at full sprint for 24 grueling hours, NISMO components are built to last.

Support from the factory means that every NISMO component is thoroughly engineered and rigorously tested to ensure a seamless fit and
outstanding performance mile after mile. Whether you’re a Z driver aiming to outrun Porsches around a track or an Altima driver who wants to sharpen its street-ready edge, NISMO stands ready to take your Nissan to the next level.

The NISMO catalog is not about the Nismo 370z though, they are selling track parts specifically from that magazine. The Nismo 370z itself has only two true Nismo parts, the tune and the exhaust, the brakes, cooling, etc. are all non-nismo parts.

370Zsteve · 12-30-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

The NISMO catalog is not about the Nismo 370z though, they are selling track parts specifically from that magazine. The Nismo 370z itself has only two true Nismo parts, the tune and the exhaust, the brakes, cooling, etc. are all non-nismo parts.

Exactly my point again! Bad marketing.

They are marketing the car (Nismo) as track-ready when it isn't.

theDreamer · 12-30-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Exactly my point again! Bad marketing.

They are marketing the car (Nismo) as track-ready when it isn't.

My point is that it is not, two pieces of the car are Nismo branded, nothing else is so it is not track ready or being advertised as such. Just because it has a Nismo exhaust & tune does not make it track ready. The brakes are a BBK but nowhere does it says "track ready."

pulpz · 12-30-2009, 01:18 PM

Personally, at the end of the day, I'd still take a 370Z Sport over a Jeep STR, or Mustang, even with having to fork out $1000 for track prepping the car.

Although this is a product marketing snafu by Nissan, It doesn't change the way I feel about my car

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 01:30 PM

^^^ I did see the bold part too, but still I believe that in that Nismo catalog they have the upgraded race brake pads there for they are covered on that front.

No where in the Nismo 370Z brochure does it say track car.

xfrgtr · 12-30-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zdub

^^^ I did see the bold part too, but still I believe that in that Nismo catalog they have the upgraded race brake pads there for they are covered on that front.

No where in the Nismo 370Z brochure does it say track car.

Exactly.

pulpz · 12-30-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zdub

^^^ I did see the bold part too, but still I believe that in that Nismo catalog they have the upgraded race brake pads there for they are covered on that front.

No where in the Nismo 370Z brochure does it say track car.

I guess it begs the question, what's the value of a NISMO 370Z then?

Wasn't the NISMO 350Z track ready? Hell the Track 350Z was track ready.

And, frankly when I looked at the NSIMO 370Z and saw the brakes were identical to the Sport Package, I assumed that was Nissan vote of confidence in the track readiness of the Sport Package.

Technik330 · 12-30-2009, 02:46 PM

^

Pulpz

Maybe it's for peeps who want to "ghost ride teh whip yo" cause the brakes are

from the factory

I don't know, I'd still like to buy a Nismo though, just wish all this

would be fixed by Nissan.

theDreamer · 12-30-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Technik330

^

Pulpz

Maybe it's for peeps who want to "ghost ride teh whip yo" cause the brakes are

from the factory

I don't know, I'd still like to buy a Nismo though, just wish all this

would be fixed by Nissan.

Eh, I think in the end though, adding these parts yourself is not that expensive (both parts & labor). I can understand having it from Nissan with the warranty, but they do one worse like other companies. Ex. Help people sign up for SCCA or whatever and then void those peoples warranties.

Technik330 · 12-30-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Eh, I think in the end though, adding these parts yourself is not that expensive (both parts & labor). I can understand having it from Nissan with the warranty, but they do one worse like other companies. Ex. Help people sign up for SCCA or whatever and then void those peoples warranties.

I think my point is based more on principle than cost. Rregardless of the if you can afford the Nismo, I bet you could afford an oil cooler or brake pads mentality. Again, my point is why buy a factory tuned car that has to be modified to do what a vast amount of other, cheaper, cars do 100% stock all day?

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I think what has happened here is that Nissan took some of the "average" feedback from the 350z crowd. Which ended up being, while many liked the upgraded track parts, the majority ended up finding them to not be what they truly wanted. Therefore Nissan tried to make the 370z more "average" friendly, even on the Nismo level or sport package addition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

Eh, I think in the end though, adding these parts yourself is not that expensive (both parts & labor). I can understand having it from Nissan with the warranty, but they do one worse like other companies. Ex. Help people sign up for SCCA or whatever and then void those peoples warranties.

Dreamer, I believe your spot on with what you have stated. Multiple offroad companies have taken a product and detuned it because of average consumer feedback. This detuning left some of the hardcore enthusiasts disappointed but on the whole the average crowd appreciated the new ease of use, and for the hardcore enthusiasts the aftermarket made sure the product could see its full potential.

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

I guess it begs the question, what's the value of a NISMO 370Z then?

Wasn't the NISMO 350Z track ready? Hell the Track 350Z was track ready.

And, frankly when I looked at the NSIMO 370Z and saw the brakes were identical to the Sport Package, I assumed that was Nissan vote of confidence in the track readiness of the Sport Package.

I never tried to defend the value of the Nismo 370. I bought a BASE for the exact reason of value.

I just pointed out Nissan covered themselves from track related failures and never directly said it was a "track" car.

I'm too young to know much about the 350Z and the packages offered from Nissan on that car so I won't challenge your knowledge there because I have nothing to counter your claims with.

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 01:41 PM

They are still covered. They did not specifically state "track" car. I understand the frustration and I understand your point. My point is specific to the part that Nissan did not state this as a "track" car and therefore they can't be held reliable for track related failures.

Technik330 · 12-30-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zdub

They are still covered. They did not specifically state "track" car. I understand the frustration and I understand your point. My point is specific to the part that Nissan did not state this as a "track" car and therefore they can't be held reliable for track related failures.

Then Nissan clearly has the most esoteric add for the Nismo Z

I'm just waiting for the Hyundai Genisis to be advertised as a time attack special

370zdub · 12-30-2009, 01:53 PM

I never said it wasn't esoteric, I did however say they covered themselves from a liability standpoint.

12-30-2009, 01:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
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12-30-2009, 01:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
370zdub Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UT Posts: 628 Drives: 09 370z 6mt,10 Ford Rep Power: 18	^^^ I did see the bold part too, but still I believe that in that Nismo catalog they have the upgraded race brake pads there for they are covered on that front. No where in the Nismo 370Z brochure does it say track car. __________________ 2010 Ford 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel: 588whp/1082wtrq 2007 Dodge 6.7L Cummins Diesel: 788whp/1405wtrq, runs 12's @ 7400lbs, Still miss my 370z!

12-30-2009, 01:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
370zdub Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UT Posts: 628 Drives: 09 370z 6mt,10 Ford Rep Power: 18	They are still covered. They did not specifically state "track" car. I understand the frustration and I understand your point. My point is specific to the part that Nissan did not state this as a "track" car and therefore they can't be held reliable for track related failures. __________________ 2010 Ford 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel: 588whp/1082wtrq 2007 Dodge 6.7L Cummins Diesel: 788whp/1405wtrq, runs 12's @ 7400lbs, Still miss my 370z!

12-30-2009, 01:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
370zdub Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UT Posts: 628 Drives: 09 370z 6mt,10 Ford Rep Power: 18	I never said it wasn't esoteric, I did however say they covered themselves from a liability standpoint. __________________ 2010 Ford 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel: 588whp/1082wtrq 2007 Dodge 6.7L Cummins Diesel: 788whp/1405wtrq, runs 12's @ 7400lbs, Still miss my 370z!

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Technik330 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 53 Drives: 05' BMW 330Ci ZHP Rep Power: 16	^ Pulpz Maybe it's for peeps who want to "ghost ride teh whip yo" cause the brakes are from the factory I don't know, I'd still like to buy a Nismo though, just wish all this would be fixed by Nissan.