Car and Driver Crashes a Nismo 370Z

theDreamer · 12-30-2009, 02:36 PM

I think what has happened here is that Nissan took some of the "average" feedback from the 350z crowd. Which ended up being, while many liked the upgraded track parts, the majority ended up finding them to not be what they truly wanted. Therefore Nissan tried to make the 370z more "average" friendly, even on the Nismo level or sport package addition.

theDreamer · 12-30-2009, 05:12 PM

The "Nismo" name on the car, in my view, is just a name. It is a plate saying that this car has some upgraded parts that are more sporty, some even track ready. That does not make the car, as a whole, track ready though.

370Zsteve · 12-30-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

The "Nismo" name on the car, in my view, is just a name. It is a plate saying that this car has some upgraded parts that are more sporty, some even track ready. That does not make the car, as a whole, track ready though.

I hate to beat a dead horse, Dreamer, but it's what they said. They should have called it PseudoNismo. No big deal, I love my Sport/Touring Z. Just (finally) reached 1200 miles, the beast is out of the cage!

"Whether you’re a Z driver aiming to outrun Porsches around a track or an Altima driver who wants to sharpen its street-ready edge, NISMO stands ready to take your Nissan to the next level."

theDreamer · 12-30-2009, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

I hate to beat a dead horse, Dreamer, but it's what they said. They should have called it PseudoNismo. No big deal, I love my Sport/Touring Z. Just (finally) reached 1200 miles, the beast is out of the cage!

"Whether you’re a Z driver aiming to outrun Porsches around a track or an Altima driver who wants to sharpen its street-ready edge, NISMO stands ready to take your Nissan to the next level."

Where is that quote coming from?

pulpz · 12-30-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

"Whether you’re a Z driver aiming to outrun Porsches around a track or an Altima driver who wants to sharpen its street-ready edge, NISMO stands ready to take your Nissan to the next level."

.... I think i might put this in my sig...

Mike · 12-31-2009, 10:12 AM

back on topic, when the brakes go on the track, they go suddenly with very little warning.

pulpz · 12-31-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

back on topic, when the brakes go on the track, they go suddenly with very little warning.

....which is the real issue.

Technik330 · 12-31-2009, 11:14 AM

The Nismo should be sold as a "kit" car

SeeyaBud86 · 12-31-2009, 11:29 AM

So I read the article and have read most of this thread. It seems like some are complaining about the Nismo 370. Reason I didn't get the Nismo was because I liked the styling on the base sport package over the Nismo regardless if it had around 20 more hp. But thats only a difference of exhaust and tune. The Nismo does have the suspension, but I will say this.

I think if you are going to spend this much on a car I do think it should definately have and oil cooler and brake pads that can play around on a track for the majority of the day. Obviously if you are going to use your car on the track primarily then you will probably just go ahead and order a better pair of brakes/pads. Before I bought my Z I test drove the Evo 10. That is a car that you can take out (stock) to a track anyday and go all day. I decided on the Z because of a couple of reasons. More power, better looks, all around in my opinion, better car. Plus I knew since I was buying it that I could put upgrades on it to make it better. If you leased your Z, or complaining on spending just a little bit more to make your bargain car better, than I suggest that you do a little more research on your car. I had no idea that the Z didn't have an oil cooler, or brake pads not "track" ready, but if those are the only two complaints about the car, then what does it matter. Those are two very easy fixes to an almost perfect bargain car.

Car & Driver do have a bias towards BMW. It seems every new mag that comes out has an article in it as to why the BMW M3 is the world's perfect sports car. They do seem to cut down the Nismo 370 WAAAY too much. They don't even complain about the oil cooler, just brake pads...Easy fix.

pulpz · 12-31-2009, 11:53 AM

I'm about half way through the article. And in my mind the bias against the 370Z stands out when reading about he Mustang equipped with the "Track Package". Noticeable brake fade after a few laps (prob comparable to 370Z) so why don't they rip the mustang for not having more durable brakes for what is a "track equipped car? They rip the Nismo's "tight shifting" transmission ( no mention of the advantages of synchro rev) but say that the mustang 5 spd is good for what it is. ?!?

I think the car mags are tired of being flogged and blamed for discrediting the domestic auto industry and I think this is another instance where they have swung the other direction. It kills me how overwhelming positive most reviews of the mustang are with subtle qualifiers like (for a solid axle car, for what it is ...etc.) I thin its pathetic that ford has never developed Independent rear suspension.

m4a1mustang · 12-31-2009, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pulpz

I'm about half way through the article. And in my mind the bias against the 370Z stands out when reading about he Mustang equipped with the "Track Package". Noticeable brake fade after a few laps (prob comparable to 370Z) so why don't they rip the mustang for not having more durable brakes for what is a "track equipped car? They rip the Nismo's "tight shifting" transmission ( no mention of the advantages of synchro rev) but say that the mustang 5 spd is good for what it is. ?!?

I think the car mags are tired of being flogged and blamed for discrediting the domestic auto industry and I think this is another instance where they have swung the other direction. It kills me how overwhelming positive most reviews of the mustang are with subtle qualifiers like (for a solid axle car, for what it is ...etc.) I thin its pathetic that ford has never developed Independent rear suspension.

Not to get into this again, there was an old thread for this, but Ford did and the Mustang enthusiasts didn't like it.

theDreamer · 12-31-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Not to get into this again, there was an old thread for this, but Ford did and the Mustang enthusiasts didn't like it.

Yep, we have that thread already.
But I do agree that reviews against the 370z seem a bit biased, but how was it with the 350z came out? I see many reviews putting the Z up against other cars and they complain about noise or slight visibility, and then the compared car loses in all the "tests," costs more, and they talk about some major issues that car has had after a few years of ownership. But wait, the Z will lose in the end because it just does not compete at the same level.

SeeyaBud86 · 12-31-2009, 12:55 PM

Im beginning to think Car & Driver are literally retarded...

In their September Issue they have a new car buyer's guide inside. So I decided to look at what was said about the 370z and the G37...

G37 - "Driver's Choice: Go for the rear-drive 6M coupe for that grownup 370z feel. SUM UP: MORE NIGHTMARES FOR BMW, MERCEDES.
370Z - "All iterations of this superbly balanced two-seater deliver enthusiast-grade driving fun on demand. SUM UP: SPORTS-CAR MOVES, TRUCK-ENGINE NOISE."

Also in the article of the Lightning Lap this is said about the Nismo, "But what made the Z the least track-worthy car we've ever tested at Lightning Lap were it's brakes."

Then they had an under $50k best cars (editor's choice)...
1. Porsche Boxster (this boggles my mind Boxster = suck)
2. 370z
3. Corvette
4. MX-5
5. RX-8

No complaints prior to the Lightning Lap article to the cars brakes...Only engine noise/strain.

MightyBobo · 01-01-2010, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeeyaBud86

Im beginning to think Car & Driver are literally retarded...

In their September Issue they have a new car buyer's guide inside. So I decided to look at what was said about the 370z and the G37...

G37 - "Driver's Choice: Go for the rear-drive 6M coupe for that grownup 370z feel. SUM UP: MORE NIGHTMARES FOR BMW, MERCEDES.
370Z - "All iterations of this superbly balanced two-seater deliver enthusiast-grade driving fun on demand. SUM UP: SPORTS-CAR MOVES, TRUCK-ENGINE NOISE."

Also in the article of the Lightning Lap this is said about the Nismo, "But what made the Z the least track-worthy car we've ever tested at Lightning Lap were it's brakes."

Then they had an under $50k best cars (editor's choice)...
1. Porsche Boxster (this boggles my mind Boxster = suck)
2. 370z
3. Corvette
4. MX-5
5. RX-8

No complaints prior to the Lightning Lap article to the cars brakes...Only engine noise/strain.

Because tracking the car is the only place you're going to find out if the brakes can really hold up or not. What OTHER times would they have tested it? Hammering the brakes after a 0-100-0 run, or a 1/4th run? Even then, they'd have plenty of time to cool again, and it wouldnt happen nearly often enough to fade badly.

Furthermore, the Boxster = suck? Do explain, please...

The lightning lap is purely a track-testing experience. It has nothing to do with the amenities of the car. On the other hand, the editors choice is all about how the car is for Average Joe Buyer who will get in and tool around town on occasion.

It sure shows who has 0 track experience on this board...

In other news, anyone notice how the Mustang GT won the LL1 time bracket? I find this interesting, considering its using ANCIENT LIVE AXLE TECHNOLOGY. Lawl.

BrianMSmith · 01-12-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

I'm about half way through the article. And in my mind the bias against the 370Z stands out when reading about he Mustang equipped with the "Track Package". Noticeable brake fade after a few laps (prob comparable to 370Z) so why don't they rip the mustang for not having more durable brakes for what is a "track equipped car? They rip the Nismo's "tight shifting" transmission ( no mention of the advantages of synchro rev) but say that the mustang 5 spd is good for what it is. ?!?

American car mags are biased in favor of American cars, because they are American (both writers and cars). Euro car mags (I should say British mags, the ones I can read...) simply hate anything American, and will spend a whole test article Flaming a Z06 for lack of sophistication, or vauge steering, or poor refinement, or cheap interior, after it's whipped all the Ferrari's, BMW's, and Porsches in every measureable test. And if they do a test in America, they'll spend half the article making fun of Americans, before they even get to the car bit.

12-30-2009, 02:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	I think what has happened here is that Nissan took some of the "average" feedback from the 350z crowd. Which ended up being, while many liked the upgraded track parts, the majority ended up finding them to not be what they truly wanted. Therefore Nissan tried to make the 370z more "average" friendly, even on the Nismo level or sport package addition. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

12-30-2009, 05:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	The "Nismo" name on the car, in my view, is just a name. It is a plate saying that this car has some upgraded parts that are more sporty, some even track ready. That does not make the car, as a whole, track ready though. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

12-31-2009, 10:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	back on topic, when the brakes go on the track, they go suddenly with very little warning. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

12-31-2009, 11:29 AM	#9 (permalink)
SeeyaBud86 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 480 Drives: 09 PW 370z 6MT Rep Power: 17	So I read the article and have read most of this thread. It seems like some are complaining about the Nismo 370. Reason I didn't get the Nismo was because I liked the styling on the base sport package over the Nismo regardless if it had around 20 more hp. But thats only a difference of exhaust and tune. The Nismo does have the suspension, but I will say this. I think if you are going to spend this much on a car I do think it should definately have and oil cooler and brake pads that can play around on a track for the majority of the day. Obviously if you are going to use your car on the track primarily then you will probably just go ahead and order a better pair of brakes/pads. Before I bought my Z I test drove the Evo 10. That is a car that you can take out (stock) to a track anyday and go all day. I decided on the Z because of a couple of reasons. More power, better looks, all around in my opinion, better car. Plus I knew since I was buying it that I could put upgrades on it to make it better. If you leased your Z, or complaining on spending just a little bit more to make your bargain car better, than I suggest that you do a little more research on your car. I had no idea that the Z didn't have an oil cooler, or brake pads not "track" ready, but if those are the only two complaints about the car, then what does it matter. Those are two very easy fixes to an almost perfect bargain car. Car & Driver do have a bias towards BMW. It seems every new mag that comes out has an article in it as to why the BMW M3 is the world's perfect sports car. They do seem to cut down the Nismo 370 WAAAY too much. They don't even complain about the oil cooler, just brake pads...Easy fix. __________________ My Z:http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...l-finally.html 1969 MGB for sale: http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...ml#post1238143

12-31-2009, 11:53 AM	#10 (permalink)
pulpz Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 281 Drives: 09 PG 370Z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 17	I'm about half way through the article. And in my mind the bias against the 370Z stands out when reading about he Mustang equipped with the "Track Package". Noticeable brake fade after a few laps (prob comparable to 370Z) so why don't they rip the mustang for not having more durable brakes for what is a "track equipped car? They rip the Nismo's "tight shifting" transmission ( no mention of the advantages of synchro rev) but say that the mustang 5 spd is good for what it is. ?!? I think the car mags are tired of being flogged and blamed for discrediting the domestic auto industry and I think this is another instance where they have swung the other direction. It kills me how overwhelming positive most reviews of the mustang are with subtle qualifiers like (for a solid axle car, for what it is ...etc.) I thin its pathetic that ford has never developed Independent rear suspension. __________________ 2016 Cayman GTS 6MT / 2017 Q60 Sport / 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD / 2015 Lexus IS 350 AWD F-Sport (Sold) / 2009 PG 370Z Sport 6MT, (Sold) / 2003 SS 350Z Enthusiast 6MT (Sold)

12-31-2009, 11:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
Technik330 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 53 Drives: 05' BMW 330Ci ZHP Rep Power: 16	The Nismo should be sold as a "kit" car

12-31-2009, 12:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
SeeyaBud86 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 480 Drives: 09 PW 370z 6MT Rep Power: 17	Im beginning to think Car & Driver are literally retarded... In their September Issue they have a new car buyer's guide inside. So I decided to look at what was said about the 370z and the G37... G37 - "Driver's Choice: Go for the rear-drive 6M coupe for that grownup 370z feel. SUM UP: MORE NIGHTMARES FOR BMW, MERCEDES. 370Z - "All iterations of this superbly balanced two-seater deliver enthusiast-grade driving fun on demand. SUM UP: SPORTS-CAR MOVES, TRUCK-ENGINE NOISE." Also in the article of the Lightning Lap this is said about the Nismo, "But what made the Z the least track-worthy car we've ever tested at Lightning Lap were it's brakes." Then they had an under $50k best cars (editor's choice)... 1. Porsche Boxster (this boggles my mind Boxster = suck) 2. 370z 3. Corvette 4. MX-5 5. RX-8 No complaints prior to the Lightning Lap article to the cars brakes...Only engine noise/strain. __________________ My Z:http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...l-finally.html 1969 MGB for sale: http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...ml#post1238143

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