Would you be willing to pay for an oil cooler as a factory-installed option?

semtex · 11-23-2009, 07:41 AM

Okay, we all know this topic has been beaten to death, with some folks insisting that an oil cooler isn't necessary unless you track your Z, and others insisting that one is in fact necessary, even for regular street use. This thread is not about that. Rather, the intent of this thread/poll is just to see if one way to potentially end all the bickering and recriminations is for Nissan to make it an option (just like Nav, Sport Pkg, etc.), the idea being that those who want an oil cooler could get one, and those who don't wouldn't have to. Everyone gets what they want, and the animosity would cease (hopefully).

Please keep discussion civil. We all have our opinions on this hot topic (no pun intended), and there's no need to re-hash them here. The sole purpose of this poll is to ascertain how many people would actually be willing to pay extra for an oil cooler if Nissan were to offer it as an option.

Edit: For the purpose of this poll, it is assumed that as a factory-installed option, an oil cooler would be covered under warranty and would not in any way void Nissan's warranty on the rest of the car.

Red370 · 11-23-2009, 07:51 AM

Nissan has known about the issue for some time now, why should we pay for a product defect? Thats the way I look at it, the oil cooler should have come already installed as an OEM part.

ConchZ2 · 11-23-2009, 07:56 AM

No need for an oil cooler in New England............

370Zsteve · 11-23-2009, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370

Nissan has known about the issue for some time now, why should we pay for a product defect? Thats the way I look at it, the oil cooler should have come already installed as an OEM part.

As per the OP's request, please don't turn this into another thread like the ones we already have?

"Please keep discussion civil. We all have our opinions on this hot topic (no pun intended), and there's no need to re-hash them here. The sole purpose of this poll is to ascertain how many people would actually be willing to pay extra for an oil cooler if Nissan were to offer it as an option. "

kannibul · 11-23-2009, 07:59 AM

I'm sure the reason for this thread is that Nissan states that the reason they didn't install the oil cooler, was due to it bringing the cost up on the vehicle to where it was outside of their target market.

That's total bull, since it wouldn't even cost the consumer $500, and I got more than that knocked off the MSRP anyway.

370Zsteve · 11-23-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kannibul

I'm sure the reason for this thread is that Nissan states that the reason they didn't install the oil cooler, was due to it bringing the cost up on the vehicle to where it was outside of their target market.

That's total bull, since it wouldn't even cost the consumer $500, and I got more than that knocked off the MSRP anyway.

No, according to the OP: The sole purpose of this poll is to ascertain how many people would actually be willing to pay extra for an oil cooler

kdo2milger · 11-23-2009, 08:42 AM

voted for option 1

vipor · 11-23-2009, 08:49 AM

voted for option 2.

NOTES: 500$ would be nice, but it's not reasonable to expect parts AND labor to cost that amount. I understand that if it were on all models that they may be able to get down to that point, but we're talking about an add-on. I would give it 4-600$ in parts (must include thermostat-style bypass) and the rest for labor. Then you're talking 4-6 hours at $100/hr (low average for most shops) for the install.

semtex · 11-23-2009, 08:52 AM

4-6 hours for a factory install on the assembly line???

vipor · 11-23-2009, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipor

voted for option 2.

NOTES: 500$ would be nice, but it's not reasonable to expect parts AND labor to cost that amount. I understand that if it were on all models that they may be able to get down to that point, but we're talking about an add-on. I would give it 4-600$ in parts (must include thermostat-style bypass) and the rest for labor. Then you're talking 4-6 hours at $100/hr (low average for most shops) for the install.

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kdo2milger · 11-23-2009, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipor

voted for option 2.

NOTES: 500$ would be nice, but it's not reasonable to expect parts AND labor to cost that amount. I understand that if it were on all models that they may be able to get down to that point, but we're talking about an add-on. I would give it 4-600$ in parts (must include thermostat-style bypass) and the rest for labor. Then you're talking 4-6 hours at $100/hr (low average for most shops) for the install.

after its built, ya upwards 1 grand...

however, factory option install at the plant, 500 would be sufficient...

semtex · 11-23-2009, 08:56 AM

Hmm....well Nav is an add-on. Do you think it takes them an extra 4-6 hours to install the Nav unit? I mean it might. I don't know. I'm just asking.

vipor · 11-23-2009, 09:01 AM

The way mechanics work is off of book hours. Regardless of wether or not the job takes 30 mins or 3 days, if the book says 4 hours, you pay for 4 hours.

Mike · 11-23-2009, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipor

voted for option 2.

NOTES: 500$ would be nice, but it's not reasonable to expect parts AND labor to cost that amount. I understand that if it were on all models that they may be able to get down to that point, but we're talking about an add-on. I would give it 4-600$ in parts (must include thermostat-style bypass) and the rest for labor. Then you're talking 4-6 hours at $100/hr (low average for most shops) for the install.

I did the whole modshack oil cooler in about an hour and a half. Parts would cost Nissan less than 100. I voted #1, but I think 250 is more reasonable. There really is nothing to compare price to out there, but if you look at what they charge for trailering packages on pickup trucks, which normally included a LSD, trans oil cooler (closest to what we need), and a trailer hitch and wiring, its anywhere from 150-700 package depending on the vehicle.

6MT · 11-23-2009, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370

Nissan has known about the issue for some time now, why should we pay for a product defect? Thats the way I look at it, the oil cooler should have come already installed as an OEM part.

How can you say that this is a "product defect"? I have never had any oil temperature issues. Let me say that again... I have NEVER had ANY oil temperature issues. So why would I want an oil cooler?

This debate only degrades itself when people say things like the quote above.

View Poll Results: Would you be willing to pay for an oil cooler as a factory-installed option?
Yes, I'd be willing to pay up to an additional $500	88	61.11%
Yes, I'd be willing to pay up to an additional $1000	14	9.72%
Yes, and I'd be willing to pay in excess of an additional $1000	5	3.47%
No, I want an oil cooler, but I'm not willing to pay extra for it	18	12.50%
No, I have no need or desire for an oil cooler	19	13.19%
Voters: 144. You may not vote on this poll

11-23-2009, 07:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 53 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Would you be willing to pay for an oil cooler as a factory-installed option? Okay, we all know this topic has been beaten to death, with some folks insisting that an oil cooler isn't necessary unless you track your Z, and others insisting that one is in fact necessary, even for regular street use. This thread is not about that. Rather, the intent of this thread/poll is just to see if one way to potentially end all the bickering and recriminations is for Nissan to make it an option (just like Nav, Sport Pkg, etc.), the idea being that those who want an oil cooler could get one, and those who don't wouldn't have to. Everyone gets what they want, and the animosity would cease (hopefully). Please keep discussion civil. We all have our opinions on this hot topic (no pun intended), and there's no need to re-hash them here. The sole purpose of this poll is to ascertain how many people would actually be willing to pay extra for an oil cooler if Nissan were to offer it as an option. Edit: For the purpose of this poll, it is assumed that as a factory-installed option, an oil cooler would be covered under warranty and would not in any way void Nissan's warranty on the rest of the car. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf. Last edited by semtex; 11-23-2009 at 01:07 PM. Reason: Clarification

11-23-2009, 07:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 295	Nissan has known about the issue for some time now, why should we pay for a product defect? Thats the way I look at it, the oil cooler should have come already installed as an OEM part. __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

11-23-2009, 08:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
kdo2milger OG Priesthood Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 17,859 Drives: NISMO T Rep Power: 59	voted for option 1 __________________ Project *NISMO*

11-23-2009, 08:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 41 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 48	voted for option 2. NOTES: 500$ would be nice, but it's not reasonable to expect parts AND labor to cost that amount. I understand that if it were on all models that they may be able to get down to that point, but we're talking about an add-on. I would give it 4-600$ in parts (must include thermostat-style bypass) and the rest for labor. Then you're talking 4-6 hours at $100/hr (low average for most shops) for the install. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

11-23-2009, 07:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
ConchZ2 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: connecticut Posts: 329 Drives: 09 370Z red 6sp sprt Rep Power: 16	No need for an oil cooler in New England............

11-23-2009, 07:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 266	I'm sure the reason for this thread is that Nissan states that the reason they didn't install the oil cooler, was due to it bringing the cost up on the vehicle to where it was outside of their target market. That's total bull, since it wouldn't even cost the consumer $500, and I got more than that knocked off the MSRP anyway.

11-23-2009, 08:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 53 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	4-6 hours for a factory install on the assembly line??? __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

11-23-2009, 08:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 53 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Hmm....well Nav is an add-on. Do you think it takes them an extra 4-6 hours to install the Nav unit? I mean it might. I don't know. I'm just asking. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

11-23-2009, 09:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 41 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 48	The way mechanics work is off of book hours. Regardless of wether or not the job takes 30 mins or 3 days, if the book says 4 hours, you pay for 4 hours. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

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