Would you be willing to pay for an oil cooler as a factory-installed option?

kenchan · 11-23-2009, 11:34 AM

i dont need one. my oil temps dont get anywhere near that hot like some of you guys might be experiencing on the track.

imho, nissan should release a base Z with sportpackage, nismo sport dampers/springs, CAI/exhaust, and oil cooler installed and call it 'track' trim. no need for the heavy nismo decorations.

Lug · 11-23-2009, 02:59 PM

An oil cooler is also another point of failure. It could be that the benefits of an added oil cooler could be somewhat offset by the occasional oil line/oil radiator failure. That said, I'd go for option 1 myself.

kenchan · 11-23-2009, 04:05 PM

considering the validation (testing and documentation) nissan needs to do, the unit price might be that, but the labor and admin costs will boot it up to about a $500-650 option.

Modshack · 11-23-2009, 04:14 PM

I put mine on for < $300. As a factory option, Nothing more than $500 would be a consideration and it would have to be a factory install, not a dealer install..

This is apparently the number Nissan had in their head as that is what was communicated to some of the Magazines. See the option list in Road and Track's full test on the 370..

vipor · 11-23-2009, 04:17 PM

$250 parts (*2 [low dealer markup]) = $500 parts

let's say 2 hours for install ($100/hr [low]) = $200 labor

plus oil = ~$50.

still 750$ parts and labor.

it's like cutting your own hair. yeah it's free and the $20 clippers will last a long time, but it still costs $20 each time you pay someone else to do it.

kannibul · 11-23-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vipor

$250 parts (*2 [low dealer markup]) = $500 parts

let's say 2 hours for install ($100/hr [low]) = $200 labor

plus oil = ~$50.

still 750$ parts and labor.

it's like cutting your own hair. yeah it's free and the $20 clippers will last a long time, but it still costs $20 each time you pay someone else to do it.

You didn't mention how Nissan would have a TON of buying pressure to get the oil cooler parts for next to nothing (compared to us @ retail), plus having some guy on the assembly line installing it at his regular hourly rate vs what we would pay for someone else to do it...plus the oil is next to nothing at Nissan's "cost".

End result, if we pay $500 for an oil cooler installed, it'd MAYBE cost Nissan $200. Probably more like $100.

Mike · 11-23-2009, 04:39 PM

then how can all the truck manufacturers put a transmission cooler in for well under 500? Its essentially the same parts.

ZCarMan · 11-23-2009, 06:59 PM

I voted for #1.

Endgame · 11-23-2009, 07:35 PM

Voted option 1. I think Nissan should at least make it an option.

Not starting a war here, but BMW saw fit to add an oil cooler to the 335i, even though it was not typically being driven under track conditions due to customer and magazine outcry; Mazda did it with the RX8 in adding a 2nd oil cooler. I do not get why Nissan does not at the very least offer it as an option.

alan93rsa · 11-23-2009, 08:06 PM

ZKindaGuy,

I bet you owned a Yugo and liked it

ZKindaGuy · 11-24-2009, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by alan93rsa

ZKindaGuy,

I bet you owned a Yugo and liked it

Nope...had Mustangs my entire life...

imag · 11-23-2009, 09:16 PM

I think people have to remember that Nissan had price targets to hit. These cars get judged relentlessly on price, and I think it was seen as critical for them to get under $30K base. They have to cut somewhere, and personally, I'm glad it was on the cooler for two reasons:

- 98% of people will never notice or care that their car doesn't have a cooler. That's a couple hundred bucks they could put elsewhere, like the interior.
- Of the remaining 2%, probably half of us wouldn't be happy with the cooler that Nissan put on there and would want something bigger. Then we would end up paying for a factory cooler we are just going to get rid of. I was glad to just get the one I wanted and have it put on.

I do think the fact that the Nismo doesn't have a cooler is inexcusable, but that's another story. Probably most of those owners won't get it near a track either, but it's pretty lame to advertise something for track use that can't go four laps without overheating.

frost · 11-23-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Please keep discussion civil. We all have our opinions on this hot topic

shadow2k · 11-23-2009, 09:41 PM

The poll will be skewed, mainly because you've got people who don't own the car basing their answer on previous threads about oil temps.

If you'd asked me before I bought the car, I'd have ponied up an extra $1k for an oil cooler.

Having bought the car in July, driven it hard (not tracked) in 100 degree temps in the humid Kansas weather...don't see any need for it now. I vote no need or desire for one.

kenchan · 11-24-2009, 12:37 PM

i remember i was much happier when i was much younger.

modshack- is that a 370Z specific bracket?

View Poll Results: Would you be willing to pay for an oil cooler as a factory-installed option?
Yes, I'd be willing to pay up to an additional $500	88	61.11%
Yes, I'd be willing to pay up to an additional $1000	14	9.72%
Yes, and I'd be willing to pay in excess of an additional $1000	5	3.47%
No, I want an oil cooler, but I'm not willing to pay extra for it	18	12.50%
No, I have no need or desire for an oil cooler	19	13.19%
Voters: 144. You may not vote on this poll

11-23-2009, 02:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 20	An oil cooler is also another point of failure. It could be that the benefits of an added oil cooler could be somewhat offset by the occasional oil line/oil radiator failure. That said, I'd go for option 1 myself. __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

11-23-2009, 04:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
Modshack A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenville NC Posts: 2,883 Drives: 370Z Sport Rep Power: 977	I put mine on for < $300. As a factory option, Nothing more than $500 would be a consideration and it would have to be a factory install, not a dealer install.. This is apparently the number Nissan had in their head as that is what was communicated to some of the Magazines. See the option list in Road and Track's full test on the 370.. __________________ Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S Oil Cooler DIY: Here! Last edited by Modshack; 11-23-2009 at 04:18 PM.

11-23-2009, 04:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 43 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	$250 parts (2 [low dealer markup]) = $500 parts let's say 2 hours for install ($100/hr [low]) = $200 labor plus oil = ~$50. still 750$ parts and labor. it's like cutting your own hair. yeah it's free and the $20 clippers will last a long time, but it still costs $20 each time you pay someone else to do it. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums!* \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

11-23-2009, 04:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	then how can all the truck manufacturers put a transmission cooler in for well under 500? Its essentially the same parts. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

11-23-2009, 11:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	i dont need one. my oil temps dont get anywhere near that hot like some of you guys might be experiencing on the track. imho, nissan should release a base Z with sportpackage, nismo sport dampers/springs, CAI/exhaust, and oil cooler installed and call it 'track' trim. no need for the heavy nismo decorations.

11-23-2009, 04:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	considering the validation (testing and documentation) nissan needs to do, the unit price might be that, but the labor and admin costs will boot it up to about a $500-650 option.

11-23-2009, 06:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
ZCarMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MD Posts: 4,488 Drives: 09 Z34, 13 F-150 Rep Power: 27	I voted for #1. __________________ Jon Swift \| SPC \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| AAM \| Cobb \| Hawk \| Volk Racing \| Bridgestone Green Demon Eyes

11-23-2009, 07:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	Voted option 1. I think Nissan should at least make it an option. Not starting a war here, but BMW saw fit to add an oil cooler to the 335i, even though it was not typically being driven under track conditions due to customer and magazine outcry; Mazda did it with the RX8 in adding a 2nd oil cooler. I do not get why Nissan does not at the very least offer it as an option.

11-23-2009, 08:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
alan93rsa Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 412 Drives: 16 Cayman GT4 Red Rep Power: 221	ZKindaGuy, I bet you owned a Yugo and liked it __________________ 16 Cayman GT4, Carmine Red, Buckets, PCCB etc.

11-23-2009, 09:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
imag Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 446 Drives: up the wall Rep Power: 17	I think people have to remember that Nissan had price targets to hit. These cars get judged relentlessly on price, and I think it was seen as critical for them to get under $30K base. They have to cut somewhere, and personally, I'm glad it was on the cooler for two reasons: - 98% of people will never notice or care that their car doesn't have a cooler. That's a couple hundred bucks they could put elsewhere, like the interior. - Of the remaining 2%, probably half of us wouldn't be happy with the cooler that Nissan put on there and would want something bigger. Then we would end up paying for a factory cooler we are just going to get rid of. I was glad to just get the one I wanted and have it put on. I do think the fact that the Nismo doesn't have a cooler is inexcusable, but that's another story. Probably most of those owners won't get it near a track either, but it's pretty lame to advertise something for track use that can't go four laps without overheating. __________________ Stillen CBE, Stillen track cooler, Stillen Gen3 Intakes, B&M short shift kit

11-23-2009, 09:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
shadow2k Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 143 Drives: 09 PG 370z 6MT Rep Power: 17	The poll will be skewed, mainly because you've got people who don't own the car basing their answer on previous threads about oil temps. If you'd asked me before I bought the car, I'd have ponied up an extra $1k for an oil cooler. Having bought the car in July, driven it hard (not tracked) in 100 degree temps in the humid Kansas weather...don't see any need for it now. I vote no need or desire for one.

11-24-2009, 12:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	i remember i was much happier when i was much younger. modshack- is that a 370Z specific bracket?

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