Next Generation Gaming Systems

shadoquad · 06-29-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dzel

Honestly with everything going on I'm still leaning towards the xbox. I had a PS3 at the same time up until the network was down for a month and I got hacked. They are new to the game when it comes to this part of the field. I personally can not trust that. It's like our cars would you want the proven mechanic or the guy that sounds good? Can Sony take over as the champ yes, do they have the qualifications yes, will they have the support to back it up is the question?

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I've had my xbl account compromised before. Are you saying that doesn't happen?

Dzel · 06-29-2013, 01:43 PM

Because they were easier to target. And then there was the time that the whole network was hacked. Then there was the time that everyone lost their game data and had everything reset that was saved.

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Dzel · 06-29-2013, 02:13 PM

No it does happen on xbox to. But they shut down my account, reimbursed me, and then some. On the PS3 they just said sorry pretty much just told me to grab the vaseline

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Dzel · 06-29-2013, 02:17 PM

And before we get on the wrong foot these are my accounts of when I had one. I am considering the PS4 cause I do believe that you learn from your mistakes just at this moment I'm leaning towards the xbox. After they come out I kind of hope that Sony blows Microsoft or of the water so they can be knocked down a peg. Cause I will say this about Microsoft they are way out of range when it comes to putting the customer first.

As in prices for their services such as movie rentals and so on.

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SS_Firehawk · 06-29-2013, 03:37 PM

I believe the reason why MS is expanding the servers so aggressively is not for Xbox Live. The big reason is the cloud computing. what many of you fail to realize is what do you need 300,000 of them for? Many of you are bringing up these poll times. MS isn't stupid and they realize this. Nearly the entire internet switches and routes at line speed. What does that mean? It means these routers can make a decision and route your traffic as fast as it can come in; likewise the switches. Having 300k servers allows them to strategically place them in major cities and provide adequate coverage around the world. 30ms timer to send data back and forth is plenty of time. Unfortunately, that basically guarantees games will stay at 30fps and not make the jump to 60fps. Just a little food for thought.

Mr&Mrs · 06-30-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

lol no they aren't

They've still taken a huge hit to their reputation and many people have been turned off. I'll tolerate extra lag for free online play and no kinect tax

Sony is not free anymore man!

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Srsly, this thread has become the xbox fanboy thread, so I'm done with it. I've said my piece, and all I see now are page after page of non-news presented like it's CHECKMATE, SONY, YOU LOSE.

It was fun before, now it's just annoying.

It's all hype until release. I won't buy at release regardless. I'll wait for you early adopters to suffer all the catastrophic failures and provide reviews of the actual systems.

PS is my likely winner here, unless MS backs off of requiring a kinect.

Sorry if im sounding like a fanboy I do not think I am. Just discussing my points of why im choosing the Xbox One for online games. Please do not forget im getting both systems at launch. I will give a fair unbiased opinion on both as well.

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Originally Posted by asdfsammich

I didn't read the entire thread, sorry if I missed it.

Will the 300k servers host, instead of relying on the user with the least latency to host (eg, COD)?

If the bit about the servers doing more heavy lifting in general makes online matches faster/smoother/bigger, then Xbox one just for that.

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The 300k servers will act as computing power and dedicated severs for almost all of the games. No more host migrating when the player host drops out

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Microsoft Windows has been more secured, but it is still not "secure" because of some of their design decisions. But some of its rep as insecure is undeserved. Most attacked because most popular, as I'm sure you know.

But I don't have faith in any game console for security

There is no good reason to hack a console the way they are designed it is nearly impossible to plant a worm or virus. Even if they did nothing could be recovered that is of any use. All critical data is stored server side.

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Originally Posted by kmkraft12

The cloud computing to produce 5Teraflops is ridiculous. It makes absolutely no sense and is just a way of Microsoft covering there tracks for have a less technologically advanced system. Cloud computing at its fastest would take roughly 100 ms. A game running at 30 fps only has 33 ms to render each frame. So even if the so called cloud computing did make any sense it would cause huge amounts of lag in games. And also microsofts systems will have no possible way of renderinging 4k. Maybe at like 8 fps.

You are thinking to narrow minded, the 5Tflops is also theoretical which is how it has been advertised as far as I have seen. Time will tell how well the system does @ 4k at least the ability is there.

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Originally Posted by Dzel

No it does happen on xbox to. But they shut down my account, reimbursed me, and then some. On the PS3 they just said sorry pretty much just told me to grab the vaseline

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Yep my account got hacked and they took care of me. I could of had my account back the same day but I happened to be out of town on vacation so I told them to leave it locked out until I got home.

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I believe the reason why MS is expanding the servers so aggressively is not for Xbox Live. The big reason is the cloud computing. what many of you fail to realize is what do you need 300,000 of them for? Many of you are bringing up these poll times. MS isn't stupid and they realize this. Nearly the entire internet switches and routes at line speed. What does that mean? It means these routers can make a decision and route your traffic as fast as it can come in; likewise the switches. Having 300k servers allows them to strategically place them in major cities and provide adequate coverage around the world. 30ms timer to send data back and forth is plenty of time. Unfortunately, that basically guarantees games will stay at 30fps and not make the jump to 60fps. Just a little food for thought.

Bingo someone knows his stuff

Please do not get offended at the information I am posting, I promise as soon as I get numbers and server power from Sony I will be posting it here. I have no intent of being a fanboy and have tried discouraging any comments that lean that direction.

We all just want accurate details and as much information that can be gathered before launch. Lets keep it up!

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-01-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs

Sony is not free anymore man!

Sorry if im sounding like a fanboy I do not think I am. Just discussing my points of why im choosing the Xbox One for online games. Please do not forget im getting both systems at launch. I will give a fair unbiased opinion on both as well.

The 300k servers will act as computing power and dedicated severs for almost all of the games. No more host migrating when the player host drops out

There is no good reason to hack a console the way they are designed it is nearly impossible to plant a worm or virus. Even if they did nothing could be recovered that is of any use. All critical data is stored server side.

You are thinking to narrow minded, the 5Tflops is also theoretical which is how it has been advertised as far as I have seen. Time will tell how well the system does @ 4k at least the ability is there.

Yep my account got hacked and they took care of me. I could of had my account back the same day but I happened to be out of town on vacation so I told them to leave it locked out until I got home.

Bingo someone knows his stuff

Please do not get offended at the information I am posting, I promise as soon as I get numbers and server power from Sony I will be posting it here. I have no intent of being a fanboy and have tried discouraging any comments that lean that direction.

We all just want accurate details and as much information that can be gathered before launch. Lets keep it up!

Sony internet is still free, Playstation plus, which you pay $50 for will pay itself off the first free game you download. And theres dozens of free hot games to choose from.

Dzel · 06-29-2013, 09:54 PM

What does all that mean?

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Mr&Mrs · 06-30-2013, 08:57 PM

I forgot to mention Sony (even though it was not immediate) did handle their security breach the correct way. Did it benefit the online community? No. In the large scope of the problem it was the best method they had and like others mentioned are even stronger now.

They also offered a very nice insurance policy (free of charge) to those effected. Only a handful of fraudulent activities were reported none of which were confirmed to be part of the incident.

asdfsammich · 06-30-2013, 09:15 PM

Good info, thanks!

One thing I don't get is the fps limit.

Back when I would PC game, Q2 and counter strike I recall running Linux just to force sync my monitor refresh rate to 120hz and the graphics card to 120 fps. If you connected to a local fast dedicated server, with say 30ms latency things seemed very smooth/fast. Maybe I wasn't really getting 120fps, or maybe consoles are different, but why are we limited to 30 fps with 30ms latency on consoles?

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Mr&Mrs · 06-30-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by asdfsammich

Good info, thanks!

One thing I don't get is the fps limit.

Back when I would PC game, Q2 and counter strike I recall running Linux just to force sync my monitor refresh rate to 120hz and the graphics card to 120 fps. If you connected to a local fast dedicated server, with say 30ms latency things seemed very smooth/fast. Maybe I wasn't really getting 120fps, or maybe consoles are different, but why are we limited to 30 fps with 30ms latency on consoles?

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GPU limitations. It sounds to me like you had a more capable system and were freeing up some of the power.

asdfsammich · 06-30-2013, 09:20 PM

Oh and sorry, if I'm OT by referencing PCs!

I had both Xbox and PS3 pretty much until the Sony got hacked, and I then just stuck with xbl because of the livelier online presence.

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asdfsammich · 06-30-2013, 09:39 PM

Ah, yep. Apples and oranges.

Back on topic. The massive server farm for hosting I think pretty much seals the deal for me since all I do is fps online. I think its time to take my xbox360 to get credit towards a pre-order.

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Mr&Mrs · 06-30-2013, 10:04 PM

If you can swing it I would keep my Xbox 360 for playing older games. I have some favorites I like to play that will make me keep mine for a while anyway.

ElVee · 07-01-2013, 08:47 AM

Yeah, Windows has issues because of being popular, but nothing like they used to. They've made changes to their processes internally which has really helped. But it's still a huge codebase and attackers continue to get better with finding things like buffer overflows in various components. Plus the addition of various silly features to stuff that doesn't help the complexity (TCP/IP, SMB in recent years).

Also, having *accounts* hacked is one thing, and is sometimes user error/weakness. Having your entire network hacked to a degree that you have to take down your entire product for near a week? That's an endemic/inherent problem with your security.

Anyway, no need to belobor that vein of the topic.

View Poll Results: Which System Will You Be Choosing?
Xbox One Hands Down	20	20.00%
PS4 Hands Down	49	49.00%
Xbox One by a Smidge	10	10.00%
PS4 by a Smidge	3	3.00%
Im Going to Wait for Consumer Reviews	11	11.00%
My Xbox 360 or PS3 is all I Need	7	7.00%
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06-29-2013, 01:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 25	Because they were easier to target. And then there was the time that the whole network was hacked. Then there was the time that everyone lost their game data and had everything reset that was saved. Sent with TapAhoe __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

06-29-2013, 02:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 25	No it does happen on xbox to. But they shut down my account, reimbursed me, and then some. On the PS3 they just said sorry pretty much just told me to grab the vaseline Sent with TapAhoe __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

06-29-2013, 02:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 25	And before we get on the wrong foot these are my accounts of when I had one. I am considering the PS4 cause I do believe that you learn from your mistakes just at this moment I'm leaning towards the xbox. After they come out I kind of hope that Sony blows Microsoft or of the water so they can be knocked down a peg. Cause I will say this about Microsoft they are way out of range when it comes to putting the customer first. As in prices for their services such as movie rentals and so on. Sent with TapAhoe __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

06-29-2013, 03:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7336	I believe the reason why MS is expanding the servers so aggressively is not for Xbox Live. The big reason is the cloud computing. what many of you fail to realize is what do you need 300,000 of them for? Many of you are bringing up these poll times. MS isn't stupid and they realize this. Nearly the entire internet switches and routes at line speed. What does that mean? It means these routers can make a decision and route your traffic as fast as it can come in; likewise the switches. Having 300k servers allows them to strategically place them in major cities and provide adequate coverage around the world. 30ms timer to send data back and forth is plenty of time. Unfortunately, that basically guarantees games will stay at 30fps and not make the jump to 60fps. Just a little food for thought. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

06-29-2013, 09:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 25	What does all that mean? Sent with TapAhoe __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

06-30-2013, 08:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mr&Mrs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,207 Drives: RZ34 Rep Power: 31942	I forgot to mention Sony (even though it was not immediate) did handle their security breach the correct way. Did it benefit the online community? No. In the large scope of the problem it was the best method they had and like others mentioned are even stronger now. They also offered a very nice insurance policy (free of charge) to those effected. Only a handful of fraudulent activities were reported none of which were confirmed to be part of the incident. __________________ Project Z <--Click - Check out the link too many mods to list!

06-30-2013, 09:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
asdfsammich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 456 Drives: 09 370Z SR MT Rep Power: 15	Good info, thanks! One thing I don't get is the fps limit. Back when I would PC game, Q2 and counter strike I recall running Linux just to force sync my monitor refresh rate to 120hz and the graphics card to 120 fps. If you connected to a local fast dedicated server, with say 30ms latency things seemed very smooth/fast. Maybe I wasn't really getting 120fps, or maybe consoles are different, but why are we limited to 30 fps with 30ms latency on consoles? Tapatalk ...

06-30-2013, 09:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
asdfsammich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 456 Drives: 09 370Z SR MT Rep Power: 15	Oh and sorry, if I'm OT by referencing PCs! I had both Xbox and PS3 pretty much until the Sony got hacked, and I then just stuck with xbl because of the livelier online presence. Tapatalk ...

06-30-2013, 09:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
asdfsammich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 456 Drives: 09 370Z SR MT Rep Power: 15	Ah, yep. Apples and oranges. Back on topic. The massive server farm for hosting I think pretty much seals the deal for me since all I do is fps online. I think its time to take my xbox360 to get credit towards a pre-order. Tapatalk ...

06-30-2013, 10:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mr&Mrs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,207 Drives: RZ34 Rep Power: 31942	If you can swing it I would keep my Xbox 360 for playing older games. I have some favorites I like to play that will make me keep mine for a while anyway. __________________ Project Z <--Click - Check out the link too many mods to list!

07-01-2013, 08:47 AM	#15 (permalink)
ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 18	Yeah, Windows has issues because of being popular, but nothing like they used to. They've made changes to their processes internally which has really helped. But it's still a huge codebase and attackers continue to get better with finding things like buffer overflows in various components. Plus the addition of various silly features to stuff that doesn't help the complexity (TCP/IP, SMB in recent years). Also, having accounts hacked is one thing, and is sometimes user error/weakness. Having your entire network hacked to a degree that you have to take down your entire product for near a week? That's an endemic/inherent problem with your security. Anyway, no need to belobor that vein of the topic.

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