Anyone here into firearms?

Ghostvette · 12-06-2021, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by VABAM

Very sad indeed. Sucks that these kids died but like usual the media started talking about gun control before the bodies were even cold. The same media that is still calling the Christmas Parade attack a “car accident”.

Considering that the gun was 4 days old makes me wonder if the father was a new gun owner. I’m guessing if the kid had access to a gun before then he might have done the shooting sooner. If the father was new to guns then he might have not had proper storage and/or he didn’t realize how troubled his son was. Either way that father must be devastated.

Dad did a 'strawman' purchase. He bought the gun for Junior as a 'Christmas present'. Junior is an unqualified person, per the current regulations (all gun laws are infringements). Firearm was unsecured in a bedside table and Junior had been busted for searching 'ammo' during school hours. Parents refused to remove Junior from school because of 'concerns'. Kid unloads on other students less than 2 hours after 'meeting'. They all need to fry.

VABAM · 12-06-2021, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

Dad did a 'strawman' purchase. He bought the gun for Junior as a 'Christmas present'. Junior is an unqualified person, per the current regulations (all gun laws are infringements). Firearm was unsecured in a bedside table and Junior had been busted for searching 'ammo' during school hours. Parents refused to remove Junior from school because of 'concerns'. Kid unloads on other students less than 2 hours after 'meeting'. They all need to fry.

A lot of more info has come out after I made that post. Parents definitely need to be held responsible. I bet they were "not my son" parents, never believing the red flags people were pointing out. This tragedy could have been prevented. So many missed opportunities by the parents and school to catch him before it happened. I'm still scratching my head on why the school didn't search his bag after seeing that note. A note like that, with his history, in the late 90s, even before Columbine, would have gotten his stuff searched at my high school. People being too worried about hurting peoples feelings cause a lot more issues than it solves.

I do feel that the parents need to be held responsible in some way but I'm not sure involuntary manslaughter charges are appropriate. In another discussion I was in some one brought up what if the shooter had used a knife or a car? Some people were saying the only reason that the parents were charged because a gun was used. Some lawyers are saying the parents have been over charged and this might cause them to not be convicted. Now the parents running doesn't help their case and that was very stupid of them. Kind of points to them not making wise decisions.

Just a thought, my dad bought me a pistol while I was in high school. I never had direct control over it and my dad was careful to keep all the guns locked up. Parents buying pistols for their underage kids is not a new thing and not irresponsible. Ignoring the signs that your kid might have issues and buying him a gun anyway, then not securing it is irresponsible.

Ghostvette · 12-06-2021, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by VABAM

A lot of more info has come out after I made that post. Parents definitely need to be held responsible. I bet they were "not my son" parents, never believing the red flags people were pointing out. This tragedy could have been prevented. So many missed opportunities by the parents and school to catch him before it happened. I'm still scratching my head on why the school didn't search his bag after seeing that note. A note like that, with his history, in the late 90s, even before Columbine, would have gotten his stuff searched at my high school. People being too worried about hurting peoples feelings cause a lot more issues than it solves.

I do feel that the parents need to be held responsible in some way but I'm not sure involuntary manslaughter charges are appropriate. In another discussion I was in some one brought up what if the shooter had used a knife or a car? Some people were saying the only reason that the parents were charged because a gun was used. Some lawyers are saying the parents have been over charged and this might cause them to not be convicted. Now the parents running doesn't help their case and that was very stupid of them. Kind of points to them not making wise decisions.

Just a thought, my dad bought me a pistol while I was in high school. I never had direct control over it and my dad was careful to keep all the guns locked up. Parents buying pistols for their underage kids is not a new thing and not irresponsible. Ignoring the signs that your kid might have issues and buying him a gun anyway, then not securing it is irresponsible.

I got a rifle at 16, but I'd been through hunter safety and other training.

I'm not sure how the prosecutor came up with 'involuntary manslaughter' for the parents, in some respects, it smacks of over-reach. However, the parents 'fleeing' and being arrested/located in the basement of a commercial building says 'I'm a moron and can't face up to my chit'. It's not quite 'interstate flight to avoid prosecution', but it is probably considered 'flight to avoid prosecution'. The 4473 asks if the person buying the firearm is the 'final owner', so a case could be made that it was a 'strawman' purchase. That one is above my paygrade.

VABAM · 12-06-2021, 04:58 PM

For the record, If any of you saw my now deleted post, the video I was referencing was from 2020. YouTube for some reason was recommending it like it was new.

My bad guys.

Rusty · 12-06-2021, 05:05 PM

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For the record, If any of you saw my now deleted post, the video I was referencing was from 2020. YouTube for some reason was recommending it like it was new.

My bad guys.

I seen it and replied to it. Then it was gone. I went WTF! Here was my reply.

Every once in a while in Pa. Our system will go down for maintenance, overload, or tech issues. But it's back up in a few hours.

ZeeingAround · 12-06-2021, 11:31 PM

A bunch of schools went dark and canceled classes because of copy cat threats. Two police cars at school when I dropped off my kids.

Rusty · 12-07-2021, 11:20 AM

Been playing around with a new app on my phone. Range Buddy, it's for measuring your group size on the target. Works better good.

VABAM · 12-07-2021, 11:43 AM

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A bunch of schools went dark and canceled classes because of copy cat threats. Two police cars at school when I dropped off my kids.

That sucks. “Never let a good tragedy go to waste.”

Ghostvette · 12-07-2021, 02:12 PM

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A bunch of schools went dark and canceled classes because of copy cat threats. Two police cars at school when I dropped off my kids.

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That sucks. “Never let a good tragedy go to waste.”

Those 'copy-cats' need to be strung up by their thumbs and publicly horse-whipped. That'll stop that BS....

ZeeingAround · 12-10-2021, 01:51 PM

What say you about Kimber products?

Ghostvette · 12-10-2021, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeeingAround

What say you about Kimber products?

I have an Ultra Carry II that I really like. I haven't had any problem with it. There are some people that teach self-defense pistol classes that don't care for them (Rob Pincus for one). Most 'problems' with a 45 pistol are that people tend to 'limp-wrist' them.

Rusty · 12-10-2021, 03:45 PM

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What say you about Kimber products?

I've been thinking on trading in my Colt Gov't Model 70 45ACP in for a Kimber. It seen better days. I shot over 13,000 rounds through it before I hung it up. It needs some work.

VABAM · 12-21-2021, 12:52 PM

First batch of Marlin rifles after Ruger bought Marlin are hitting the street. Also it's the first batch of Marlins made at the new production facility in Mayodan, NC. Looks like only 3-6 models are being made but only one, the 1895 SBL (45-70), has made it into the wild at the moment. Ruger made some changes to the SBL and I like the changes. More models are planned to come out in 2022. I'm very hopeful about Marlin being owned by Ruger.

Ruger lists all the changes on the product page for the 1895 SBL including all the changes in the markings.

Marlin 1895 SBL

Maybe Marlin prices will come back down to earth now.

Saw some one calling the new Ruger made Marlins Rumlins.

BTW: Merry Christmas Everyone!

Rusty · 01-11-2022, 09:20 PM

Bought a one pound of RL16 at the local gun shop.........$41.98.........

Tim told me that prices really shot up with this last shipment.

He sold out of primers in a matter of hours. Limit was 100 per customer.

Ghostvette · 01-12-2022, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Bought a one pound of RL16 at the local gun shop.........$41.98.........

Tim told me that prices really shot up with this last shipment.

He sold out of primers in a matter of hours. Limit was 100 per customer.

Let's go, Brandon!!!

12-06-2021, 04:58 PM	#6079 (permalink)
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ZeeingAround A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 6,365 Drives: 3500 NVP 370Z-sold! Rep Power: 86624	A bunch of schools went dark and canceled classes because of copy cat threats. Two police cars at school when I dropped off my kids. Rusty likes this. __________________ Get some roosters for eggs and Bulls for milk . Then you will see that gender matters. Especially at milking time.

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12-10-2021, 01:51 PM	#6085 (permalink)
ZeeingAround A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 6,365 Drives: 3500 NVP 370Z-sold! Rep Power: 86624	What say you about Kimber products? __________________ Get some roosters for eggs and Bulls for milk . Then you will see that gender matters. Especially at milking time.

12-21-2021, 12:52 PM	#6088 (permalink)
VABAM A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: No Where VA Posts: 4,003 Drives: with VDC off. Rep Power: 197	First batch of Marlin rifles after Ruger bought Marlin are hitting the street. Also it's the first batch of Marlins made at the new production facility in Mayodan, NC. Looks like only 3-6 models are being made but only one, the 1895 SBL (45-70), has made it into the wild at the moment. Ruger made some changes to the SBL and I like the changes. More models are planned to come out in 2022. I'm very hopeful about Marlin being owned by Ruger. Ruger lists all the changes on the product page for the 1895 SBL including all the changes in the markings. Marlin 1895 SBL Maybe Marlin prices will come back down to earth now. Saw some one calling the new Ruger made Marlins Rumlins. BTW: Merry Christmas Everyone! JARblue, Rusty, Hotrodz and 1 others like this. __________________ 2009 370Z Touring W/SP

01-11-2022, 09:20 PM	#6089 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,553 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684439	Bought a one pound of RL16 at the local gun shop.........$41.98......... Tim told me that prices really shot up with this last shipment. He sold out of primers in a matter of hours. Limit was 100 per customer. Hotrodz likes this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html