Kansas is moving towards constitutional carry (no permit required), it just takes time. We have an outstanding person working towards that, she's the President of KSRA. She's been the primary reason our gun & knife laws have been evolving, got open-carry approved and over-rode the cities ordinances prohibiting it AND got it to where the chief LEO has to sign Form 4 for NFA Items (SBR & suppressors). It's great to live in Kansas if you are a gun owner. :)

I'm curious as to why y'all want to keep a gun at the ready in a car. When I tote my guns to the range, I usually put them in the hatch/trunk. Do you travel into rough areas or is it an "as long as I'm carrying, it might as well be handy" thing? Not that I think you shouldn't (2nd Amendment FTW), I've just seldom felt the need to have a gun while driving my car.

i'm a paranoid Minarchist an i want to be ready for as much as I can be or afford lol.

also it makes me feel better.

Since I have a permit, I carry everywhere I go. It's like putting on my boots and belt, the SIG goes everywhere I go. I feel a little 'exposed' when I have to travel without it. We had an issue here in KC not too long ago with a moron taking potshots at people on the highway, so I figured a little extra 'reach out and touch someone' was needed. Just my :twocents:

If your level of paranoia extends to the point where you feel the need to carry a gun at all, then at some point you're likely to travel from point A to point B, and it will likely be in your car. What are you going to do with the gun you're carrying? The bucket seat of a Z doesn't lend itself well to comfortable carry in a waist-level holster, especially for some body types or some holster types. I find that for my size and shape, a leather OWB holster works fine so I just leave it on my belt, but if it didn't, I'd have to find some place to put the thing in the car so I could sit comfortably.

In this state, if you have a PTC it doesn't matter whether you carry open or concealed, nor does it matter if you carry in a car, on your person, in the glove box, in a lock box, or laying on your dashboard (although the latter concept may very well draw some unwanted law enforcement attention, even though completely legal).

eta: I suppose you could make the case that, of all the places you might need a gun to defend yourself, your car might be one of the more likely in a relative sense, acknowledging that overall, the need for lethal force for self defense is an extraordinarily unlikely thing for most of us.

Thanks for the replies.

I like my DPMS, I haven't shot a lot of rounds through it but I'm a .308 fan. Decide what you want to do with it, if you want to pick it up and blast away go for the AR platform if you want to shoot long range go for a M14/M1A1 style. Keep this in mind DPMS mags can be expensive make sure you have a aftermarket source to purchase them. I also have a Indian made Enfield chambered in .308. It's a bolt action and looks just like a .303 British Enfield and it'll hurt your shoulder if you're not careful.
Happy shooting.

For those of you asking about storing your firearm in your vehicle, keep this in mind. If your car/truck gets broke into and they steel your gun can the cops gig you for not securing your firearm? Almost happened to a friend of mine. Cop told him he could do that but he didn't.

The good old ishapore. I got one of those also. Damn scarey shooting that old beast.

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Anyone here owned a HK- MP5?

My favorite gun since Die Hard 1

:drool:

This is my only HK product:
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Nice!!! I love anything made in Germany!

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thats crap, MOST cops don't know s#*t about firearm laws (some do),I have at least 4 cops I'm related to and know a lot more an they are almost always wrong when they try to explain the firearm laws, they usually call me asking what they are.
an if u do get in trouble for something u shouldn't be then it's easy to fight it.
best thing for U to do Is learn the laws in your state yourself by reading your states Statutes.

florida's is chapter 790:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...entsIndex.html

We used to do a tactical pistol competition at our club every year. Local PD vs members. Cops never won! LOL

Getting closer to buying a new piece to conceal. Having a hard time deciding between Springfield XDs, Kahr P9, and M&P shield. I've got a guy that built my AR leaning me toward the M&P and doing a trigger job on it. Kinda worried about doing that for a concealed piece though, given the legal issues.

Kimber CDP II! lol I may be partial to it...


if I had to choose of those three M&P. But I really like my kimber. Couldn't imagine using any other firearm for carry.

Nice Piece!!! I have a larger Kimber 1911. The CDP is a little bigger than I'd like. I'm a pretty athletic person and when I'm out I don't always where the baggiest type clothing! lol I want something with a smaller profile. :)

They come in all sizes:

Ultra:
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I have the pro (full size grip & 4" barrel) so its a bit larger.

I've looked. :) My main concern with them is the profile. They are a bit thick for my concealed liking. Don't get me wrong! these are BEAUTFUL guns! Everyone dreams of owning them. The smaller Kimber though has been riddled with problems. Unlike that company for sure!

I hear ya. Im lucky so far, I have 550rds into mine and not a single problem. The profile to me is thin. But Im coming from a Glock 21SF. :tup:

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Still running 10 rounders in your compact?

I love H&K guns.
I don't have a MP5 but I do have a H&K USC (45 ACP Carbine).
Been thinking about doing UMP clone with my USC but it is $$$$.
If I do a UMP clone build I might go SBR with it.

Here is my latest H&K

I bought an XDs for my wife (right) and it's a fantastic piece. Very comfortable for such a small. 45.

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Is the M&P has a heavy trigger pull too?
Mine has a 8lbs trigger pull took me a couple of hundred rounds to get used to it. I have a SD-9 cheap but reliable gun, replica of Glock 19.

I bought my dad an M&P Shield .40 a while back and I liked it quite a lot. I'd like to shoot both that and the XDs .45 side by side to see which one I like better as those are the two I'm considering for CC. The Shield seemed like a solid piece, but I think the value is better with the XD series with all the swag it comes with. I still love my XDm .40 :)

M&P trigger is easily modified. The DCAEK or FSS from Apex Tactical will make it into a really excellent trigger. Easy install.

My next gun as x-mas gift for myself possibly Glock 23 4th gen.
$575 out the door. Anyone knows any distributor sells cheaper in FL?

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first of all DONT do a trigger job on any ccw, aside from it not being as safe it's mostly a legal thing. (I would search modding a carry gun legality)

don't get the XDs if u want 9mm it was designed for .45 and the 45 version is real small for a .45. (lighter then the 9mm) it's why the xds was created, them they made it work as a 9 after. for round count weight and size it's a sh!**y 9mm compared to others.

there's a bunch of info on that if u search for it.

if u compare the xd's in 9mm to others it's not the best option, but if u want the .45 it stands out and sets itself apart.

I kinda liked the kahr pm9 but for the money it cost an when it comes to reliability it can be picky with ammo u feed it.

when it comes to my life and what weapon I'll trust with it for me it's either the Xd line or glock.
just don't get that new Glock 42 it's absolutely a FAIL....

let me say this before I say me next sentence, I do like some American guns company's and model's. (mostly for rifles).
an no offense but a lot (not all) of the older generations or cops always lean towards 911, s&w, beretta or metal frame handguns and still will not trust glocks for being the most reliable and simple. just because there stubborn.
NOT ALL PEOPLE

also I don't want a hammer an my ccw

just do some more searching before u buy and as long as u are confident with it that's all that matters because chances are u will never use it aside from in a range
( also a good point as that u would want whatever u pick to be fun to shoot regularly at the range an not too small or snappy on an uncomfortable way)

nutnfancy is always a good source of info when it comes to this stuff!

nice, cool thing about that is u can slide a .357 glock barrel in and be able to switch back from one to another!!

and I would check out gold minor. I buy almost all my weapons through them!
amazing prices, they negotiate and if u pay cash... u get extra special deal!!

address:
4421 Hancock Bridge Pkwy, Fort Myers, FL 33903

ask for tommy

^ thanks for the info. I'll home to ship cuz Fort Myers is about 6 hrs drive from me. But yeah I'll give them a call.:tup:

Trigger jobs on carry guns are fine. From a safety standpoint, it might be a good idea to not get the trigger pull too light, but a 6 lb trigger with a nice crisp break make for a nice shooting pistol that is completely safe. The "legality" issues are a non-factor according to my buddy, who is the county attorney. On an M&P, an Apex ultimate striker block and machined sear will really clean up that trigger. Doesn't necessarily change the trigger pull unless you leave the original return spring.

If you're looking for a full size pistol with a great trigger out of the box, clearly the leaders in that pack are the Walther PPQ and the HK VP9. My preference is the VP9, but it's about a horse apiece comparing it to the PPQ. Both are truly exceptional pistols and IMHO both have better triggers than even an M&P with trigger upgrade (although the FSS does come close). Somewhere along the way, I developed a substantially negative attitude toward the Xd's. I've seen too many reliability issues and ammo "finnickyness". I had a Glock 19, but it was a piece of crap (unreliable ejection and super-creepy trigger). I fixed it with an Apex FRE and newer ejector, then dumped it. I'll never fall for the Glock trap again.

My personal preference for carry is a Walther PPS. Small and slim, shoots like a full-size. I looked hard at the M&P Shield, but at the time they only made it with a manual safety, which I absolutely did not want. Now, they have a Shield version without the safety and that might be worth a look. Apex makes trigger improvement kits for the Shield too, although I've never shot one with an upgraded trigger. I did look at Kahr and put several boxes through my buddy's PM9, but it was expensive for what it is, and I didn't want to have to go through what he went through to get it to be reliable.

If you're going to carry a gun, don't be one of those guys that takes your state's permit-to-carry course and stops there thinking that you're now qualified to use a pistol to defend your life. Please keep moving on and take some defensive pistol classes as well.

^ same with taking defensive/evasive driving course. It will save your life.

Legal in Colorado

I've been wearing aSig p938 for a few years. It's a nice mix of very small and still decent 9mil power. It's 1911 style so you have to get comfortable with "locked and loaded" It's fun at the range (once you get used to it) and once you get an extended mag it fits the hand nicely without to much "printing"

this for sure^^^whatever u get just practice a lot an take classes

I'm actually buying both these pistols for x mas. Addingbthem to my collection of 9mm. I never liked the Glocks or any of it's imitators till these two. Since I can't choose. I'm getting both.

Just got back from the range - trying to finalize my decision... didn't like the glock so much, really liked the PPQ. For whatever reason I was just a lot more accurate with it. Then the guy working at the range let me borrow his new VP9! Sweet! That's the one for me. Trigger was as you described and I was able to fire it accurately, just behind the PPQ. Next stop, NC permit, then I'm going to try and pick one up on holiday special.

What is this bullsh1t... Someone actually shooting a weapon before deciding to buy it?!?

:icon18: Of course didn't stop me from getting the AR15, but somehow I knew that was a must have!

Next to the PPQ and the VP9, the Glock G19/17 is a pretty sad puppy.

Mossy 500
Glock 19
Glock 26
Smith 642

ok question for anyone who has shot the taurus raging judge? should i trade my regular judge for it? is it worth the extra 250$ ? pros... its my "fun gun" just going out to blow crap up also my judge currently is above my head loader with pdx1 so its my personal defense gun for my home cons.. fewer round cylinder cant handle 454 not as strong as the raging ? build quality not taurus flagship gun? .,.... pro/con... size? its huge (thats what...) so what do you guys think ?