Anyone here into firearms?

Ghostvette · 11-19-2021, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Kyle is a free man. Not guilty on all charges.

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Originally Posted by VABAM

NOT GUILTY!!!!!!! Hell ya!!

ROOFTOP KOREANS....... UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kenosha is gonna burn tonight.

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Kyle is a free man. Not guilty on all charges.

Let the RIOTS's begin. F'em......

VABAM · 11-19-2021, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

ROOFTOP KOREANS....... UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kenosha is gonna burn tonight.

I’m not 100% sure it’s going to happen. I have family near by Kenosha and what I’m hearing is if it does happen Kenoshians will not put up with it this time around.

VABAM · 11-19-2021, 12:50 PM

I think this trial red pulled a lot of people. People got to see that the media and the DAs were blatantly lying and manipulating evidence.

Most important thing is that Kyle won but this was also a victory for self defense and 2A. However the next thing that needs to happen is an investigation into the prosecution. They shouldn’t be allowed to get away with withholding/modifying
evidence like they did.

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 12:57 PM

I just watched the verdict being read in court with Kyle standing. That was heart wrenching for such a young man to have to endure.

VABAM · 11-19-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I just watched the verdict being read in court with Kyle standing. That was heart wrenching for such a young man to have to endure.

I watched it live with on Rekieta Law’s live stream. Even I was shaking a little watching the verdict being read.

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by VABAM

I watched it live with on Rekieta Law’s live stream. Even I was shaking a little watching the verdict being read.

I hope they hold everyone accountable for defamation. They need to pay for their BS lies.

VABAM · 11-19-2021, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I hope they hold everyone accountable for defamation. They need to pay for their BS lies.

With Sandman settlement and now Rittenhouse being acquitted, Rittenhouse has a good chance but I’m not sure how successful he’ll be though.

Ghostvette · 11-19-2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I hope they hold everyone accountable for defamation. They need to pay for their BS lies.

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Originally Posted by VABAM

With Sandman settlement and now Rittenhouse being acquitted, Rittenhouse has a good chance but I’m not sure how successful he’ll be though.

I'd like to see him sue and prevail, but unfortunately, the prosecution won't be held accountable for their shenanigans. They are out for our firearms, by hook or by crook.

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

I'd like to see him sue and prevail, but unfortunately, the prosecution won't be held accountable for their shenanigans. They are out for our firearms, by hook or by crook.

I was talking about the media and Biden. The only way to stop the misinformation is to hurt the pocket book. That's the problem. So many people think they can say and do whatever they want and not be held accountable. This needs to stop.

Rusty · 11-19-2021, 03:29 PM

Now hopefully, he can get on with his life. But I think it's going to be rough for a while. He needs to go to someplace that doesn't know him, like WV.

VABAM · 11-29-2021, 04:22 PM

Not trying to stir things up, this is more about curiosity and meaningful discussion.
With firearms/2A comes self defense and the legal use of firearms.

There has been some very dramatic views on this, even with like minded people.

What are you guys' thoughts on the Chad Read shooting in Texas?

It's hard to separate the moral and legal side of this shooting especial considering the whole thing started with a child visitation issue. I have seen men broken over mothers playing games with child visitation. We could sit here for hours talking about how broken our family court systems are but lets keep this to the shooting.

TBH I initially thought Kyle Carruth was not justified and it was murder. Now I think he was legally justified but on the moral side of the things was wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, I wonder if I would have taken the shot.

Think about it this way. A guy, rightfully or not, yelling at my girlfriend would not leave my property after being told to leave. When I get my gun, which is legal for me to do, and tell the guy to leave again, he gets in my face and physically makes bodily contact with me saying "You better use it mother fucker or I'll take it and use it on you.". He touches my gun which causes me to shoot a round at his feet. (TBH this might have been a ND due to the scuffle). Then the guy grabs my gun and tries to take it away from me but end up flinging me off of my porch. FYI In Texas the porch of a house is considered part of the house/domicile. He squares up and looks like he is about to charge me. In fear for my life and the safety of others, I shoot him ending the threat.

Could you honestly say you wouldn't have shot him?

I can't help but think, what if they had been strangers?
What if it comes out that Chad Read was abusive and violent person?
What would have happened if Read had been able to get control of Carruth's gun?

What are you guys' thoughts on this?

Rusty · 11-29-2021, 05:53 PM

I don't know anything about the case. But talking with some state troopers years ago. In something like you descripted. Your size matters. You're a little guy with the gun, and he's a big guy charging you. It's easier for you to claim self-defense. Reverse that and it becomes somewhat more muddle. But if he has something in his hand and ready to strike you. It becomes a lot easier.

VABAM · 11-29-2021, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I don't know anything about the case. But talking with some state troopers years ago. In something like you descripted. Your size matters. You're a little guy with the gun, and he's a big guy charging you. It's easier for you to claim self-defense. Reverse that and it becomes somewhat more muddle. But if he has something in his hand and ready to strike you. It becomes a lot easier.

Video of the shooting:
https://twitter.com/WarPath2pt0/stat...09493512077312

Rusty · 11-29-2021, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VABAM

Video of the shooting:
https://twitter.com/WarPath2pt0/stat...09493512077312

I don't know the exact law is there. But my guess he's going to jail. Just chest bumping, no contact with fists, feet or objects in hand.

11-19-2021, 12:50 PM	#6034 (permalink)
VABAM A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: No Where VA Posts: 4,003 Drives: with VDC off. Rep Power: 195	I think this trial red pulled a lot of people. People got to see that the media and the DAs were blatantly lying and manipulating evidence. Most important thing is that Kyle won but this was also a victory for self defense and 2A. However the next thing that needs to happen is an investigation into the prosecution. They shouldn’t be allowed to get away with withholding/modifying evidence like they did. Rusty, Hotrodz, Ghostvette and 3 others like this. __________________ 2009 370Z Touring W/SP

11-19-2021, 12:57 PM	#6035 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,516 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684391	I just watched the verdict being read in court with Kyle standing. That was heart wrenching for such a young man to have to endure. VABAM, Rusty, Hotrodz and 2 others like this.

11-19-2021, 03:29 PM	#6041 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 34,866 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684436	Now hopefully, he can get on with his life. But I think it's going to be rough for a while. He needs to go to someplace that doesn't know him, like WV. VABAM, Hotrodz, Ghostvette and 1 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

11-29-2021, 04:22 PM	#6042 (permalink)
VABAM A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: No Where VA Posts: 4,003 Drives: with VDC off. Rep Power: 195	Not trying to stir things up, this is more about curiosity and meaningful discussion. With firearms/2A comes self defense and the legal use of firearms. There has been some very dramatic views on this, even with like minded people. What are you guys' thoughts on the Chad Read shooting in Texas? It's hard to separate the moral and legal side of this shooting especial considering the whole thing started with a child visitation issue. I have seen men broken over mothers playing games with child visitation. We could sit here for hours talking about how broken our family court systems are but lets keep this to the shooting. TBH I initially thought Kyle Carruth was not justified and it was murder. Now I think he was legally justified but on the moral side of the things was wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, I wonder if I would have taken the shot. Think about it this way. A guy, rightfully or not, yelling at my girlfriend would not leave my property after being told to leave. When I get my gun, which is legal for me to do, and tell the guy to leave again, he gets in my face and physically makes bodily contact with me saying "You better use it mother fucker or I'll take it and use it on you.". He touches my gun which causes me to shoot a round at his feet. (TBH this might have been a ND due to the scuffle). Then the guy grabs my gun and tries to take it away from me but end up flinging me off of my porch. FYI In Texas the porch of a house is considered part of the house/domicile. He squares up and looks like he is about to charge me. In fear for my life and the safety of others, I shoot him ending the threat. Could you honestly say you wouldn't have shot him? I can't help but think, what if they had been strangers? What if it comes out that Chad Read was abusive and violent person? What would have happened if Read had been able to get control of Carruth's gun? What are you guys' thoughts on this? __________________ 2009 370Z Touring W/SP

11-29-2021, 05:53 PM	#6043 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 34,866 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684436	I don't know anything about the case. But talking with some state troopers years ago. In something like you descripted. Your size matters. You're a little guy with the gun, and he's a big guy charging you. It's easier for you to claim self-defense. Reverse that and it becomes somewhat more muddle. But if he has something in his hand and ready to strike you. It becomes a lot easier. Hotrodz and Ghostvette like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html