Anyone here into firearms?

Ghostvette · 12-03-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

If I was still shooting handgun like I was years ago. I would go Dillion. For now, the rockchucker does me find.

I cast my own handgun bullets too. Use a 20 lbs Lyman furance and sizer luber. I cast bullets for 9mm, 38/357, 2 different 44's, 2 different 45's, and 40/10mm. When I worked at Elliott. We had a bearing dept that made babbit bearings. So I had a good supply of different lead alloys. Still have about 500 lbs in the garage.

Hmmm..... I need to check my stock of lead 9 & 45... I might have to DM you for some bullets...

Rusty · 12-03-2018, 02:23 PM

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Hmmm..... I need to check my stock of lead 9 & 45... I might have to DM you for some bullets...

On the 9mm, 38/357, and 44's. I use a gas check on the base of them.

VABAM · 12-03-2018, 06:38 PM

All this talk of reloading makes me want to get back into it.

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I put together an AR pistol in 300 blackout. It's a blast to shoot.

I recently made a 300BLK AR pistol too. I went a non-standard route with mine. This is going to sound silly but after seeing Wanted (the movie) I wanted mag feed pirate pistol. Many years later.......

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VABAM · 12-03-2018, 06:48 PM

Haven't had a chance to shoot my 300BLK AR pistol yet because my local ranges are weird about AR/AK pistols. Most have flat out ban AR/AK pistols. One range allows AR/AK pistols but they have to have braces. There is one that allows all AR/AK pistols but I hate that range. The restrictions aren't due to legal concerns like dealing with AFT rulings. It is all due to stupid people not controlling their guns. For example; I had a discussion with one range's staff and their ban came after the owner of the range saw a guy with an AK pistol buy 100 rounds, shoot all of them at the same target and only 6 rounds hit the target. If it wasn't hunting season I would just go in the woods and blast away. I probably will build a standard lower with a brace later on making it easier to shoot it in general.

Any of you guys have issues with AR/AK Pistols at public ranges?

Rusty · 12-03-2018, 08:59 PM

At my gun club. You can shoot anything. Long as you don't do a mag dump. I can also go to a state game land range and do anything if no one is around.

Rusty · 12-03-2018, 09:09 PM

This talk about AR pistols wants me to build a AR SBR 300 with a 12" barrel . An OSS suppressor. The upper and lower would be an ASA side cocking.

https://osssuppressors.com/

dts3 · 12-03-2018, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VABAM

Haven't had a chance to shoot my 300BLK AR pistol yet because my local ranges are weird about AR/AK pistols. Most have flat out ban AR/AK pistols. One range allows AR/AK pistols but they have to have braces. There is one that allows all AR/AK pistols but I hate that range. The restrictions aren't due to legal concerns like dealing with AFT rulings. It is all due to stupid people not controlling their guns. For example; I had a discussion with one range's staff and their ban came after the owner of the range saw a guy with an AK pistol buy 100 rounds, shoot all of them at the same target and only 6 rounds hit the target. If it wasn't hunting season I would just go in the woods and blast away. I probably will build a standard lower with a brace later on making it easier to shoot it in general.

Any of you guys have issues with AR/AK Pistols at public ranges?

I've come across two ranges that don't allow AR pistols. I was told directly that it is because of them covering their *** for potential legal issues. Technically if you put the buffer tube of an AR pistol to your shoulder as if it's a stock then you're using it as an SBR and violating the NFA in a major way. I don't know if it's been tested in court, but an ATF agent with a bug up his *** can make a lot of trouble for you and the range. Gotta keep the buffer tube off your shoulder.

Ghostvette · 12-04-2018, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dts3

I've come across two ranges that don't allow AR pistols. I was told directly that it is because of them covering their *** for potential legal issues. Technically if you put the buffer tube of an AR pistol to your shoulder as if it's a stock then you're using it as an SBR and violating the NFA in a major way. I don't know if it's been tested in court, but an ATF agent with a bug up his *** can make a lot of trouble for you and the range. Gotta keep the buffer tube off your shoulder.

Unfortunately, there are too many stupid owners that do chit like that and make it hard for the rest of us.

VABAM · 12-04-2018, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dts3

I've come across two ranges that don't allow AR pistols. I was told directly that it is because of them covering their *** for potential legal issues. Technically if you put the buffer tube of an AR pistol to your shoulder as if it's a stock then you're using it as an SBR and violating the NFA in a major way. I don't know if it's been tested in court, but an ATF agent with a bug up his *** can make a lot of trouble for you and the range. Gotta keep the buffer tube off your shoulder.

That is not true. Shouldering a buffer tube does not make an AR pistol a SBR (based on current FTA rulings). The buffer tube on a AR pistol is not designed to nor intended to be a stock. Just because you are using it in a way not desgined/intended for does not "redesign" the weapon. What if I shoulder a regular pistol/revolver? Is it suddenly a SBR? No. This is also true when it comes to braces. Braces are not intended/designed to be a stock so if it is shouldered it doesn't make it a SBR. Now if you modify a brace in any way other than how it is came from the manufacture then you could be in legal hot water because it could be viewed as a redesign. Now another legal grey area is intent. If you go on the record saying your are planning to use a brace as a stock to bypass the NFA then you are in the wrong. Also stupid.

The opinion of a real lawyer on latest ATF letter:

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A practical (non-lawyer) opinion on latest ATF letter and why the 2015 letter came about.

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dts3, If you had said something like "Even though the ATF has ruled that shouldering AR pistols is okay, I'm not going to because in my opinion it too much of an grey area" (or something like that) I can respect that. Saying that shouldering AR/AK pistols is illegal and violates the NFA, please don't take this the wrong way, is uninformed or irresponsible. Just my

and please treat it as such.

The ATF has yet to arrest anybody nor shut down a range over the pistol brace or shouldering pistols. Only one person has been arrested and charged by local LEO, not ATF, for shouldering a Sig Brace but that was when they first came out. Those charges were dropped after that local LEO consulted with the ATF and the ATF said he had not violate NFA rules. All the ranges in my area are not worried about the ATF WRT AR/AK pistols. They are worried about damage to their ranges due to idiots not controlling their AR/AK pistols.

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

Unfortunately, there are too many stupid owners that do chit like that and make it hard for the rest of us.

Stupid people have caused too many restrictions at my local ranges. I'm glad I have access to a private range. How ever that private range is part of a hunt club and it is gun hunting season so the range is unavailable for awhile. Also Stupid people caused the 2015 ATF letter WRT pistol braces as Mac talked about in the vid above.

VABAM · 12-04-2018, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

This talk about AR pistols wants me to build a AR SBR 300 with a 12" barrel . An OSS suppressor. The upper and lower would be an ASA side cocking.

https://osssuppressors.com/

I'm going to build an SBR at some point. Really would like to SBR a X95 in 300BLK with a stubby suppressor of some sort.

An AR pistol is a little more practical for me at the moment. One reason is traveling with it across state lines. I live close to a state line and I don't want to have to deal with asking the ATF for permission to travel to another state with it. I'm not trying to get around the NFA, I'm just more willing to deal with the cons of an AR pistol than the cons of a SBR at the moment. Also I travel a lot for work and having NFA items would make things difficult. Hopefully in the near future that will change and once I have settled in where ever I ended up I will be building/buying some NFA items.

For those who don't know about traveling with NFA items:

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ZeeingAround · 12-05-2018, 09:31 AM

Grabbed a Sig Sauer Romeo5 RD on sale at Palmetto state armory. Now I need to find the time to go to the range. Might add the Juliet magnifier too if it goes on sale.

dts3 · 12-05-2018, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by VABAM

That is not true. Shouldering a buffer tube does not make an AR pistol a SBR (based on current FTA rulings). The buffer tube on a AR pistol is not designed to nor intended to be a stock. Just because you are using it in a way not desgined/intended for does not "redesign" the weapon. What if I shoulder a regular pistol/revolver? Is it suddenly a SBR? No. This is also true when it comes to braces. Braces are not intended/designed to be a stock so if it is shouldered it doesn't make it a SBR. Now if you modify a brace in any way other than how it is came from the manufacture then you could be in legal hot water because it could be viewed as a redesign. Now another legal grey area is intent. If you go on the record saying your are planning to use a brace as a stock to bypass the NFA then you are in the wrong. Also stupid.

The opinion of a real lawyer on latest ATF letter:

( Click to show/hide )

A practical (non-lawyer) opinion on latest ATF letter and why the 2015 letter came about.

( Click to show/hide )

dts3, If you had said something like "Even though the ATF has ruled that shouldering AR pistols is okay, I'm not going to because in my opinion it too much of an grey area" (or something like that) I can respect that. Saying that shouldering AR/AK pistols is illegal and violates the NFA, please don't take this the wrong way, is uninformed or irresponsible. Just my

and please treat it as such.

The ATF has yet to arrest anybody nor shut down a range over the pistol brace or shouldering pistols. Only one person has been arrested and charged by local LEO, not ATF, for shouldering a Sig Brace but that was when they first came out. Those charges were dropped after that local LEO consulted with the ATF and the ATF said he had not violate NFA rules. All the ranges in my area are not worried about the ATF WRT AR/AK pistols. They are worried about damage to their ranges due to idiots not controlling their AR/AK pistols.

Stupid people have caused too many restrictions at my local ranges. I'm glad I have access to a private range. How ever that private range is part of a hunt club and it is gun hunting season so the range is unavailable for awhile. Also Stupid people caused the 2015 ATF letter WRT pistol braces as Mac talked about in the vid above.

Fair points. I was using the reasos/logic given to me by the range master to confirm my apparently incorrect understanding. What you mentioned about intent is more or less where I was going with my post

bunk · 12-10-2018, 03:58 PM

Man, I have about 24lbs of IMR 4895, 30lbs of AA2230, 15lbs of W231. 5k .22 FMJ, 1.5k, .30 Caliber FMJ 2k .45FMJ, and 500 .45 polymer coated. I wont even try to count brass. I just know I have a ton to clean and prep..ugh..lol
Also, I have a Lee Progressive I use as a single stage. Its a POS.

Rusty · 12-10-2018, 04:17 PM

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Man, I have about 24lbs of IMR 4895, 30lbs of AA2230, 15lbs of W231. 5k .22 FMJ, 1.5k, .30 Caliber FMJ 2k .45FMJ, and 500 .45 polymer coated. I wont even try to count brass. I just know I have a ton to clean and prep..ugh..lol
Also, I have a Lee Progressive I use as a single stage. Its a POS.

That's a chit load of powder.

bunk · 12-11-2018, 08:12 AM

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That's a chit load of powder.

Yup. I ramped up on supplies due to Ca's dumb laws. Theres a shop in phx that has powder pretty cheap. I was picking up a jug here and there whenever Id visit..

12-03-2018, 06:48 PM	#5254 (permalink)
VABAM A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: No Where VA Posts: 4,003 Drives: with VDC off. Rep Power: 195	Haven't had a chance to shoot my 300BLK AR pistol yet because my local ranges are weird about AR/AK pistols. Most have flat out ban AR/AK pistols. One range allows AR/AK pistols but they have to have braces. There is one that allows all AR/AK pistols but I hate that range. The restrictions aren't due to legal concerns like dealing with AFT rulings. It is all due to stupid people not controlling their guns. For example; I had a discussion with one range's staff and their ban came after the owner of the range saw a guy with an AK pistol buy 100 rounds, shoot all of them at the same target and only 6 rounds hit the target. If it wasn't hunting season I would just go in the woods and blast away. I probably will build a standard lower with a brace later on making it easier to shoot it in general. Any of you guys have issues with AR/AK Pistols at public ranges? __________________ 2009 370Z Touring W/SP

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 34,862 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684436	At my gun club. You can shoot anything. Long as you don't do a mag dump. I can also go to a state game land range and do anything if no one is around. VABAM likes this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 34,862 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684436	This talk about AR pistols wants me to build a AR SBR 300 with a 12" barrel . An OSS suppressor. The upper and lower would be an ASA side cocking. https://osssuppressors.com/ VABAM and Ghostvette like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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ZeeingAround A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 6,365 Drives: 3500 NVP 370Z-sold! Rep Power: 86623	Grabbed a Sig Sauer Romeo5 RD on sale at Palmetto state armory. Now I need to find the time to go to the range. Might add the Juliet magnifier too if it goes on sale. VABAM and Rusty like this. __________________ Get some roosters for eggs and Bulls for milk . Then you will see that gender matters. Especially at milking time.

12-10-2018, 03:58 PM	#5263 (permalink)
bunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Southern California Posts: 4,077 Drives: 2010 370z Roadster Rep Power: 2684369	Man, I have about 24lbs of IMR 4895, 30lbs of AA2230, 15lbs of W231. 5k .22 FMJ, 1.5k, .30 Caliber FMJ 2k .45FMJ, and 500 .45 polymer coated. I wont even try to count brass. I just know I have a ton to clean and prep..ugh..lol Also, I have a Lee Progressive I use as a single stage. Its a POS. Rusty likes this. __________________ -Drop in K&N Filter -Invidia Gemini CBE -Z1 Oil Cooler -Swift Springs - EcuTek -Forgestar F14 -SPL Camber Links -Akebono BBK Upgrade -Z1 Premium SS Lines -SPL Diff Bushings -SPL FUCAs - BellRaceworks Diff Brace