Anyone here into firearms?

Gadgetech · 11-27-2014, 08:47 AM

I was all set to get an exhaust for the Z when this came into my view:

6MT · 11-27-2014, 02:26 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by "stamp". No hassles from anyone, except of course our inept firearms laws. It's restricted, yes. But other than that, you buys it and you use it....

They make them for other pistols too.

MacCool · 11-28-2014, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT

I'm not sure what you mean by "stamp". No hassles from anyone, except of course our inept firearms laws. It's restricted, yes. But other than that, you buys it and you use it....

They make them for other pistols too.

Uh...assuming that you are in the USA portion of ITU Zone 2, a pistol conversion with a stock and a foregrip is an SBR and therefore a Title II weapon under the GCA and regulated by the NFA. If you're caught in possession of that assembled weapon without a tax stamp ($200), it's a sure ticket to a Federal courtroom, and that assumes that an SBR is legal in your state and that you aren't therefore violating state law too.

Since you're not sure what Chuck33079 meant by "stamp", it's a safe bet you either aren't in the USA, or you aren't familiar with US firearms laws under the NFA. I wouldn't take it out to the range just yet.

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Chuck33079 · 11-28-2014, 07:22 PM

Looks like a mod pruned this thread just a little bit.

VABAM · 11-28-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Looks like a mod pruned this thread just a little bit.

Yep!

Back to gun porn!

My Springfield XDs (.45ACP) and my other H&K HK45 (.45ACP) w/ Surefire X400 before I installed a LEM trigger in it.

And now for something a little different.

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6MT · 11-28-2014, 10:08 PM

Ok....everyone should probably know....I'm in Canada! Here's the VZ finally done..
Just have to sight in the red dot next trip out.

CSA VZ58 in 7.62x39
Bushnell TRS25 red dot
Fab Defence furniture & butt stock
Muzzle brake by Zahal
Fab Defence sling
No name bipod
(lots of mags)

SouthArk370Z · 12-13-2014, 02:33 PM

I was recently given an old (not sure how old but at least 45 yo) and non-functioning Springfield 187H semi-auto .22 rifle (tube feed). I was able to find an exploded diagram and was able to disassemble it just enough to figure out that the firing pin is broken.

During my web search I could not find a manual for this rifle.

Does anyone know where I can get a manual with disassembly/reassembly procedures? I'd like to tear it down, clean it up, replace the pin (Numrich has them), and see how it fires but there are a LOT of small parts and I'd like to have some idea what I'm doing before I take it apart.

TIA for any help.

VABAM · 12-14-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

I was recently given an old (not sure how old but at least 45 yo) and non-functioning Springfield 187H semi-auto .22 rifle (tube feed). I was able to find an exploded diagram and was able to disassemble it just enough to figure out that the firing pin is broken.

During my web search I could not find a manual for this rifle.

Does anyone know where I can get a manual with disassembly/reassembly procedures? I'd like to tear it down, clean it up, replace the pin (Numrich has them), and see how it fires but there are a LOT of small parts and I'd like to have some idea what I'm doing before I take it apart.

TIA for any help.

I couldn't find anything but I emailed a family friend who has the knack for finding old firearm stuff.

Edit: I didn't watch them but some Youtube vids came up in my search. They might helpful.

However, I did find this though. It's the biggest collection of manuals and diagrams for firearms and firearms accessories I've seen.

Steves Pages 7b (manuals)

Steves Pages 7a (diagrams)

Chuck33079 · 12-14-2014, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

I was recently given an old (not sure how old but at least 45 yo) and non-functioning Springfield 187H semi-auto .22 rifle (tube feed). I was able to find an exploded diagram and was able to disassemble it just enough to figure out that the firing pin is broken.

During my web search I could not find a manual for this rifle.

Does anyone know where I can get a manual with disassembly/reassembly procedures? I'd like to tear it down, clean it up, replace the pin (Numrich has them), and see how it fires but there are a LOT of small parts and I'd like to have some idea what I'm doing before I take it apart.

TIA for any help.

Have you tried local gun shows? The ones around here there's always a sizeable contingent of old-timers who could probably show you how to break that down and reassemble it.

SouthArk370Z · 12-14-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by VABAM

I couldn't find anything but I emailed a family friend who has the knack for finding old firearm stuff.

Edit: I didn't watch them but some Youtube vids came up in my search. They might helpful.

However, I did find this though. It's the biggest collection of manuals and diagrams for firearms and firearms accessories I've seen.

Steves Pages 7b (manuals)
Steves Pages 7a (diagrams)

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Have you tried local gun shows? The ones around here there's always a sizeable contingent of old-timers who could probably show you how to break that down and reassemble it.

Thanks!

I found out that the rifle (or same basic design) was also sold as Savage 187E, 187H, 188H, 87H, 87KE, 87E, 87KH, 6E, 6H, 6DL and Stevens 87A. Didn't find this out until about 0100 last night and couldn't hold my eyes open long enough to pursue. Will be doing that today.
Some models allow the bolt to be locked forward for single-shot use with shorts but mine doesn't do that.

I looked at several of the Youtube vids that were very helpful as far as they went but I didn't see anything that went beyond removing the bolt/hammer and the feeder. Youtube is where I first learned that the rifle was sold by more than one manufacturer. I need to go back and search for some of the model numbers I discovered last night.

The Steve's Pages site looks like a great resource. Bookmarked for a look later today.

I live in a small town where The Event of this year was a Salt-N-Pepa concert. Not many gun shows here.

But that's a great idea. I'll check to see if there are any shows coming up that aren't too far away.

Thanks again for the tips.

Chuck33079 · 12-14-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

I live in a small town where The Event of this year was a Salt-N-Pepa concert. Not many gun shows here.

But that's a great idea. I'll check to see if there are any shows coming up that aren't too far away.

I flat out don't believe you. BFE, Arkansas and no gun shows?

SouthArk370Z · 12-14-2014, 11:17 AM

LOL We have a yearly "outdoor show" in town but it is mostly boats, camping equipment, storage sheds, &c. There were a few local gun dealers at the last show I went to but I can always call them on the phone if need be.

I'll figure something out. I was just hoping someone might be a 187H guru. The gun was free and broken when I got it - if I screw up, nothing lost. The barrel has some pitting and the rifling is very worn so I doubt it's a collectable.

Chuck33079 · 12-14-2014, 11:19 AM

Do you have the old timer contingent at your local range or gun shop? That's usually where I go first with questions.

SouthArk370Z · 12-14-2014, 11:53 AM

I've got two guys in town that may be able to help. One of them has been gunsmithing for several decades and the other "specializes" in military rifles (so he may not be much help). Everything around here, except WalMart, is closed on Sundays so I'll do some more web searching.

The more I look at the rifling, the more I'm wondering if it's worth spending $25-30 on it for a firing pin. It may end up hanging on a wall. I'd still like to take it apart and see what makes it tick. Just want to be sure I can put it back together.

SouthArk370Z · 12-16-2014, 09:24 AM

I didn't find a manual but got some advise from a guy that owned one a long time ago. Wouldn't you know it? One of the screws was TIGHT and even though I was using the proper screwdriver, I ended up buggering the head.

I might be able to get it out with some small vise-grips. Luckily, the screw is still available - I can order a few when I get the firing pin.

11-27-2014, 08:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
Gadgetech A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Cumming, Ga Posts: 1,559 Drives: The Short Bus Rep Power: 869	I was all set to get an exhaust for the Z when this came into my view: __________________ Upstate Z Club

11-27-2014, 02:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
6MT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: ITU Zone 2 Posts: 22,459 Drives: Reliant Robin Rep Power: 1790	I'm not sure what you mean by "stamp". No hassles from anyone, except of course our inept firearms laws. It's restricted, yes. But other than that, you buys it and you use it.... They make them for other pistols too. __________________ Andrew 2009 370Z Sport/Touring 6MT sold 2013 Honda Civic Si coupe D/D

11-28-2014, 07:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Looks like a mod pruned this thread just a little bit. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

11-28-2014, 10:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
6MT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: ITU Zone 2 Posts: 22,459 Drives: Reliant Robin Rep Power: 1790	Ok....everyone should probably know....I'm in Canada! Here's the VZ finally done.. Just have to sight in the red dot next trip out. CSA VZ58 in 7.62x39 Bushnell TRS25 red dot Fab Defence furniture & butt stock Muzzle brake by Zahal Fab Defence sling No name bipod (lots of mags) __________________ Andrew 2009 370Z Sport/Touring 6MT sold 2013 Honda Civic Si coupe D/D

12-13-2014, 02:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324197	I was recently given an old (not sure how old but at least 45 yo) and non-functioning Springfield 187H semi-auto .22 rifle (tube feed). I was able to find an exploded diagram and was able to disassemble it just enough to figure out that the firing pin is broken. During my web search I could not find a manual for this rifle. Does anyone know where I can get a manual with disassembly/reassembly procedures? I'd like to tear it down, clean it up, replace the pin (Numrich has them), and see how it fires but there are a LOT of small parts and I'd like to have some idea what I'm doing before I take it apart. TIA for any help. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

12-14-2014, 11:17 AM	#12 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324197	LOL We have a yearly "outdoor show" in town but it is mostly boats, camping equipment, storage sheds, &c. There were a few local gun dealers at the last show I went to but I can always call them on the phone if need be. I'll figure something out. I was just hoping someone might be a 187H guru. The gun was free and broken when I got it - if I screw up, nothing lost. The barrel has some pitting and the rifling is very worn so I doubt it's a collectable. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

12-14-2014, 11:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Do you have the old timer contingent at your local range or gun shop? That's usually where I go first with questions. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

12-14-2014, 11:53 AM	#14 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324197	I've got two guys in town that may be able to help. One of them has been gunsmithing for several decades and the other "specializes" in military rifles (so he may not be much help). Everything around here, except WalMart, is closed on Sundays so I'll do some more web searching. The more I look at the rifling, the more I'm wondering if it's worth spending $25-30 on it for a firing pin. It may end up hanging on a wall. I'd still like to take it apart and see what makes it tick. Just want to be sure I can put it back together. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

12-16-2014, 09:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324197	I didn't find a manual but got some advise from a guy that owned one a long time ago. Wouldn't you know it? One of the screws was TIGHT and even though I was using the proper screwdriver, I ended up buggering the head. I might be able to get it out with some small vise-grips. Luckily, the screw is still available - I can order a few when I get the firing pin. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

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