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Originally Posted by BlackZeda I see a gun (handgun or assault rifle) the same way as I see a fire extinguisher; hopefully and probably I will never need to use

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Old 01-25-2013, 10:22 AM   #2836 (permalink)
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I see a gun (handgun or assault rifle) the same way as I see a fire extinguisher; hopefully and probably I will never need to use it, but when I need it I will be surely glad that I at least have it.

It would be extremely gratifying to see the AWB go down in flames realizing that the government caused the gun industry to gain massive profits because of their knee-jerk stupidity.
I agree. I probably won't sell for that reason alone. However I will be pissed if I have to pay $200 and register mine with the ATF.
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I agree. I probably won't sell for that reason alone. However I will be pissed if I have to pay $200 and register mine with the ATF.
I would rather pay the $200. Well for me $600 than lose my right. Look at it this way. Once we pay the money, we have the freedom to make our barrels whatever size we want.

One of my gun dreams is to have a 12.5 barrel suppressed .300blackout. Tax stamping rifles will just motivate me to make more high tech rifles in my arsenal. lol

The more they try to restrict, the bigger my dreams get. Hey, They really are the greatest gun salesmen. lol
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Old 01-25-2013, 10:44 AM   #2838 (permalink)
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But we also lose the ability to transport our weapons out of state without prior ATF permission. And there are all sorts of issues about possession. No one can touch it without being under your supervision. And we'd only be allowed to have one "feature".
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But we also lose the ability to transport our weapons out of state without prior ATF permission. And there are all sorts of issues about possession. No one can touch it without being under your supervision. And we'd only be allowed to have one "feature".
so what would this do to the parts market? anyone can order any parts and make a gun how they want right now. will that not be so in the future?
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I'm really not sure at this point.
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But we also lose the ability to transport our weapons out of state without prior ATF permission. And there are all sorts of issues about possession. No one can touch it without being under your supervision. And we'd only be allowed to have one "feature".
Thats true. Tax stamped weapons are highly controlled. It would pretty much make it a SHTF gun only, sport and defense while traveling will become complicated. There's nothing like an AR/AK when you're driving out through back country.

I would hate to lose that right and be driving in an unpoliced Danger Zone where evil doers don't follow GC laws. People back home in the east don't really know what it's like driving through the desert at 2am. If they did? They'd understand the need for civilian AR's. I'm one Yankee that learned that in my first 9 months in Tx. The AR is the most versatile and useful rifle.

It's fun- so many types of sport the design qualifies for.
Its light and compact. Maneuverable and lightweight enough for men, women, responsibly taught children, the elderly and disabled can still safely fire, while still carrying relatively good defensive stopping power.

Its very accurate for its size. 300yrd game hunting from a 14.5/16" barrel. Not many rifles can claim that @ those sizes.

Versatile, from hunting to defense, it fits the build. And Everyone should own one. It's the national rifle. Really, I don't get it.
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so what would this do to the parts market? anyone can order any parts and make a gun how they want right now. will that not be so in the future?
This is a hard thing GC can affect our right and sport in a number of ways. Last I heard this morning. The current bill proposed has a grandfather clause. So that's a small hint of good news.

Sucks for people that don't already own though.

they sure are good at stimulating our countries economy. See the tactic behind this gun drama? lol

Thinking about it, 68 86 94 and 2013 are all bad economy years.

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anyone know where a good free float complete upper (barrel included) can be had on the net right now?
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Thats the first time I ever heard of a 5.56 round going completely through a cinderblock. Do you have video or at least photo of the block? This is an interesting round.
Who makes the Brown-tip? Penetration is unlike most 5.56 ammo and on a borderline, decent bullet weight
I can take photos of the block in a few days, it's not at my apartment, lol.

I cannot tell you who makes Brown Tip, but I can tell you that Barnes manufactures the projectile.

I have put XM556FBIT3 and M855 through cinderblock, as well, but they are not near as consistent. Still, even the brown-tip just "made it through". It certainly wouldn't be lethal on the other side from what I saw. More like UGLY! bruise.
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anyone know where a good free float complete upper (barrel included) can be had on the net right now?
Even before the gun grabbing hysteria broke out it was difficult to get high quality (Daniels Defense, LMT, Noveske etc...) uppers or even parts. It took me about 4 months to put together a Noveske so for the next AR I just went an bought a complete LMT. Probably the best chance of getting a decent complete upper would be at a gun show.
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So looks like I'll be helping my boss pick an AR to order next week. He waited too long but doesn't mind spending the money. They have some good NIB stuff floating around if you're willing to pay up for it.
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But we also lose the ability to transport our weapons out of state without prior ATF permission. And there are all sorts of issues about possession. No one can touch it without being under your supervision. And we'd only be allowed to have one "feature".
This is what I'm worried about. I can't afford to own any weapons that tie me into a state. I'm actually planning on moving everything I own to CA-compliant...which sucks
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This is what I'm worried about. I can't afford to own any weapons that tie me into a state. I'm actually planning on moving everything I own to CA-compliant...which sucks
That really does suck. I like all the people I have met from CA, and I can google images as well as anyone, but I just could not live there. I'm leaving Louisiana, but California is certainly not on my list. What draws you there? I guess everyone has priorities.
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Unfortunately for me work might one day draw me to NY/NYC. At least for now I'm grounded in gun-friendly VA, however Northern VA is increasingly anti as the years go by.
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