Anyone here into firearms?

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 11:14 AM

I am just tired of the blame the gun mentality. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens that pose no threat to anyone. They own guns for sport, hunting, personal protection, etc. Doesn't really matter WHY they have them. It's a right.

We could do so much more to prevent gun violence (and violence in general) by actually enforcing existing laws and by focusing energy on the root causes of violence be it mental health issues or poverty/socioeconomic distress.

The very people our legislature wants to target (us... the law abiding gun owner) are NOT the problem.

BlackZeda · 12-20-2012, 11:47 AM

The last AWB was so freaking stupid, but it doesn't suprise me that idiot politicians want to reinstate it. Our government is so retarded right now that it is no wonder that people want to arm themselves. It is so selfish and shortsighted to deny a person the maximum (reasonable) ability to defend themselves and their family. I am not prepper, but I definitely see a few realistic scenarios where one would need an assault rifle. It definitely is not my goto weapon for home defense, but like a fire extinguisher I am glad I have a couple on-hand.

With that said I think I might pick up that H&K P2000 9mm I have had my eye on and order a couple extra high capacity mags today.

MacCool · 12-20-2012, 12:32 PM

For perspective:

This doesn't take into account 1 million deaths annually from preventable heart disease, nor the 350,000 deaths annually from obesity and it's co-morbidities, also largely preventable.

In other news: Eric Holder in an interview about an hour ago suggested that pursuing gun control via Executive Order is a route that he and Obama are considering.

Eric Holder: executive orders on gun control? | WashingtonExaminer.com

One suggested approach that has been gaining traction around Washington is an Executive Order directing that all "assault weapons" would be made to fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934. Personally, I've already been moving in that direction by submitting Form 1's for an 11.5 SBR on a receiver I've had sitting around and doing the same for the receiver of my 16 inch Noveske. I probably won't actually put a short barrel on either, but once registered all I'd have to do is slap an 11.5 inch upper on any of them.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-20-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

For perspective:

This doesn't take into account 1 million deaths annually from preventable heart disease, nor the 350,000 deaths annually from obesity and it's co-morbidities, also largely preventable.

In other news: Eric Holder in an interview about an hour ago suggested that pursuing gun control via Executive Order is a route that he and Obama are considering.

Eric Holder: executive orders on gun control? | WashingtonExaminer.com

One suggested approach that has been gaining traction around Washington is an Executive Order directing that all "assault weapons" would be made to fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934. Personally, I've already been moving in that direction by submitting Form 1's for an 11.5 SBR on a receiver I've had sitting around and doing the same for the receiver of my 16 inch Noveske. I probably won't actually put a short barrel on either, but once registered all I'd have to do is slap an 11.5 inch upper on any of them.

Oh Shyt. 25,000 unintentional falls. Lets make a Walking/Standing Ban!!!!

BlackZeda · 12-20-2012, 02:08 PM

Holy crap! I just went to my local gun store to purchase the H&K P2000 to see that their entire stock of AR-15's and 30rd PMAGs have been wiped out. The fact that they probably had hundreds of them on the racks makes that remarkable. There is a 4 day wait for the background check whereas it took about 30 minutes a few weeks ago.

I have to say that there were about 5 guys looking at their last AR which was a S&W performance center version. I would say that all 5 of them probably were people that had no business owning an AR and would otherwise never be interesting in owning one.

Nice job moronic politicians

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-20-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

The last AWB was so freaking stupid, but it doesn't suprise me that idiot politicians want to reinstate it. Our government is so retarded right now that it is no wonder that people want to arm themselves. It is so selfish and shortsighted to deny a person the maximum (reasonable) ability to defend themselves and their family. I am not prepper, but I definitely see a few realistic scenarios where one would need an assault rifle. It definitely is not my goto weapon for home defense, but like a fire extinguisher I am glad I have a couple on-hand.

With that said I think I might pick up that H&K P2000 9mm I have had my eye on and order a couple extra high capacity mags today.

My primary HD's are a parausa1911 .45acp and a mossberg 500a cruiser shotgun. My assault rifles are for sport, hobby tinkering and the very low chance of jic-shtf. It is our right carry to possess for all reasons above.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-20-2012, 11:37 AM

"AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY". I learned that fast moving from a city(New York) where people are held hostage by criminals and have no civilian gun rights. Versus a city that everyone and grandma pack heat. (Texas) As much as criminals love pointing guns at people, They are the ones most scared of guns being pointed back at them.

It's sad that half of New Yorkers doing time for carrying guns are just honest citizens who just know that NY is just too dangerous NOT to have one on you. So they take the chance and literally "bite the bullet when caught". What kind of option is that?

You can't even own a taser in NYC and get harrassed for having a lockblade in a case, sometimes confiscated. When you're mugged or jumped. The police show up 30 min later and very unintersted in the crime committed against you. They only care about drug busts and tickets. So assault crimes and robbery often go unsolved. Hoodies keep the criminals faces from being seen on cameras so, there goes that.

So whats the answer in NYC.

PS NY police are under investigation after hard evidence has been found that they are manipulating crime statistics to prove crime is doing down. We can't even trust statistics

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 12:39 PM

I figured as much.

I wonder what that would mean for existing, non-NFA registered weapons. Would we have to give up possession of our (now) NFA items while we wait years for a dozen ATF agents to process a bazillion forms?

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 06:45 PM

I'm pissed now that I didn't buy a lower or two during a sale a few months ago. I wanted to build one into a pistol and another to 20"

m4a1mustang · 12-21-2012, 08:10 AM

NRA's presser is at 10:45 AM EST. We'll see how they're going to approach all of this.

m4a1mustang · 12-21-2012, 10:25 AM

Summary:

Blame media for glorifying violence
Blame violent video games
Demand armed security in all schools
Calls on Congress to get armed security in all schools by January
Blame media for misinformation on semi-automatics, .223 round
Don't deny Americans right to protect themselves
etc

Some good points, but to non gun people Wayne probably just looked like some right wing wacko. Media will have a field day with this IMO.

m4a1mustang · 12-21-2012, 10:28 AM

Outlining some school security stuff right now.

Doesn't seem like they are going to be giving an inch on our rights. But like I said the media is going to have a field day on this. Crazy white guys... ban all guns!

Robert_K · 12-21-2012, 10:35 AM

Watched it. Good points!

Red__Zed · 12-21-2012, 10:40 AM

The problem is there's no way to call it like it is without looking like a nut in sound bytes, unfortunately.
In my mind, this recent shooting was 100% a parental failure. There are no implementable "gun control" laws that would have prevented this recent tragedy.
The guns were purchased far in advance, likely by his parents. The better mental health controls everyone clamored for after the VT incident likely wouldn't have helped, since he wasn't even procuring the weapons himself (to my knowledge).

What sort of control law do you plan to enact that comes into everyone's house and takes away every 40 year old woman's handgun? Better care for folks that are emotionally imbalanced is critical in order to prevent these attacks, but that's difficult to do without infringing on rights. While it might help in some cases to actually screen the purchaser, I think it is more important to tack on liability (criminal and civil) to those who provides weapons to the mentally unstable....similar to how we treat providing weapons to felons.

m4a1mustang · 12-21-2012, 10:42 AM

NRA would have been better off outright discussing gun control, why it doesn't work, and why it won't work. Present facts and statistics to support their argument. State that they will defend 2nd amendment rights. Then maybe they could go into some school security discussion.

Instead it's just going to seem like crazy white guys saying, "moar gunz!"

12-20-2012, 11:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I am just tired of the blame the gun mentality. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens that pose no threat to anyone. They own guns for sport, hunting, personal protection, etc. Doesn't really matter WHY they have them. It's a right. We could do so much more to prevent gun violence (and violence in general) by actually enforcing existing laws and by focusing energy on the root causes of violence be it mental health issues or poverty/socioeconomic distress. The very people our legislature wants to target (us... the law abiding gun owner) are NOT the problem. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-20-2012, 11:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
BlackZeda A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 1,109 Drives: 19 Audi TT RS Rep Power: 23	The last AWB was so freaking stupid, but it doesn't suprise me that idiot politicians want to reinstate it. Our government is so retarded right now that it is no wonder that people want to arm themselves. It is so selfish and shortsighted to deny a person the maximum (reasonable) ability to defend themselves and their family. I am not prepper, but I definitely see a few realistic scenarios where one would need an assault rifle. It definitely is not my goto weapon for home defense, but like a fire extinguisher I am glad I have a couple on-hand. With that said I think I might pick up that H&K P2000 9mm I have had my eye on and order a couple extra high capacity mags today. UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

12-20-2012, 11:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	"AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY". I learned that fast moving from a city(New York) where people are held hostage by criminals and have no civilian gun rights. Versus a city that everyone and grandma pack heat. (Texas) As much as criminals love pointing guns at people, They are the ones most scared of guns being pointed back at them. It's sad that half of New Yorkers doing time for carrying guns are just honest citizens who just know that NY is just too dangerous NOT to have one on you. So they take the chance and literally "bite the bullet when caught". What kind of option is that? You can't even own a taser in NYC and get harrassed for having a lockblade in a case, sometimes confiscated. When you're mugged or jumped. The police show up 30 min later and very unintersted in the crime committed against you. They only care about drug busts and tickets. So assault crimes and robbery often go unsolved. Hoodies keep the criminals faces from being seen on cameras so, there goes that. So whats the answer in NYC. PS NY police are under investigation after hard evidence has been found that they are manipulating crime statistics to prove crime is doing down. We can't even trust statistics Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 12-20-2012 at 11:42 AM.

12-20-2012, 12:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I figured as much. I wonder what that would mean for existing, non-NFA registered weapons. Would we have to give up possession of our (now) NFA items while we wait years for a dozen ATF agents to process a bazillion forms? __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-20-2012, 06:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I'm pissed now that I didn't buy a lower or two during a sale a few months ago. I wanted to build one into a pistol and another to 20" __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-20-2012, 12:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
MacCool A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,349 Drives: 370Z PW 2014 Rep Power: 17	For perspective: This doesn't take into account 1 million deaths annually from preventable heart disease, nor the 350,000 deaths annually from obesity and it's co-morbidities, also largely preventable. In other news: Eric Holder in an interview about an hour ago suggested that pursuing gun control via Executive Order is a route that he and Obama are considering. Eric Holder: executive orders on gun control? \| WashingtonExaminer.com One suggested approach that has been gaining traction around Washington is an Executive Order directing that all "assault weapons" would be made to fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934. Personally, I've already been moving in that direction by submitting Form 1's for an 11.5 SBR on a receiver I've had sitting around and doing the same for the receiver of my 16 inch Noveske. I probably won't actually put a short barrel on either, but once registered all I'd have to do is slap an 11.5 inch upper on any of them.

12-20-2012, 02:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
BlackZeda A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 1,109 Drives: 19 Audi TT RS Rep Power: 23	Holy crap! I just went to my local gun store to purchase the H&K P2000 to see that their entire stock of AR-15's and 30rd PMAGs have been wiped out. The fact that they probably had hundreds of them on the racks makes that remarkable. There is a 4 day wait for the background check whereas it took about 30 minutes a few weeks ago. I have to say that there were about 5 guys looking at their last AR which was a S&W performance center version. I would say that all 5 of them probably were people that had no business owning an AR and would otherwise never be interesting in owning one. Nice job moronic politicians

12-21-2012, 08:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	NRA's presser is at 10:45 AM EST. We'll see how they're going to approach all of this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-21-2012, 10:25 AM	#11 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Summary: Blame media for glorifying violence Blame violent video games Demand armed security in all schools Calls on Congress to get armed security in all schools by January Blame media for misinformation on semi-automatics, .223 round Don't deny Americans right to protect themselves etc Some good points, but to non gun people Wayne probably just looked like some right wing wacko. Media will have a field day with this IMO. Robert_K likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-21-2012, 10:28 AM	#12 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Outlining some school security stuff right now. Doesn't seem like they are going to be giving an inch on our rights. But like I said the media is going to have a field day on this. Crazy white guys... ban all guns! Robert_K likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-21-2012, 10:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
Robert_K A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Spring, TX/Iraq Posts: 1,281 Drives: '12 Forgeline G37S Rep Power: 19	Watched it. Good points! __________________ '12 G37S Forgeline, '03 Built TT 350Z HRE (Sold!) http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...psc7a6dc53.jpg

12-21-2012, 10:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 121	The problem is there's no way to call it like it is without looking like a nut in sound bytes, unfortunately. In my mind, this recent shooting was 100% a parental failure. There are no implementable "gun control" laws that would have prevented this recent tragedy. The guns were purchased far in advance, likely by his parents. The better mental health controls everyone clamored for after the VT incident likely wouldn't have helped, since he wasn't even procuring the weapons himself (to my knowledge). What sort of control law do you plan to enact that comes into everyone's house and takes away every 40 year old woman's handgun? Better care for folks that are emotionally imbalanced is critical in order to prevent these attacks, but that's difficult to do without infringing on rights. While it might help in some cases to actually screen the purchaser, I think it is more important to tack on liability (criminal and civil) to those who provides weapons to the mentally unstable....similar to how we treat providing weapons to felons. m4a1mustang and UNKNOWN_370 like this.

12-21-2012, 10:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	NRA would have been better off outright discussing gun control, why it doesn't work, and why it won't work. Present facts and statistics to support their argument. State that they will defend 2nd amendment rights. Then maybe they could go into some school security discussion. Instead it's just going to seem like crazy white guys saying, "moar gunz!" OMGiGOTaZ likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!