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Originally Posted by JARblue I love that you guys think that the federal government is capable of organizing a pipeline shutdown to punish states over covid regulations or local voting

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Old 05-11-2021, 01:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I love that you guys think that the federal government is capable of organizing a pipeline shutdown to punish states over covid regulations or local voting laws. Y'all have way too much faith in those idiots lol
You haven't worked with some of the folks I have. Trust me, they are capable of creating this mess.
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You haven't worked with some of the folks I have. Trust me, they are capable of creating this mess.
I've worked with plenty of government officials capable of creating a mess like this. But no way could they have done it on purpose, much less in an organized manner. Our government doesn't work like that
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You haven't worked with some of the folks I have. Trust me, they are capable of creating this mess.
I've worked for the DoD. I KNOW what they can do. There is technologies that they pushed aside, and started on newer technologies. The stuff they pushed aside is mind blowing.

Just ask Snowden. He was just a tip.
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I've worked for the DoD. I KNOW what they can do. There is technologies that they pushed aside, and started on newer technologies. The stuff they pushed aside is mind blowing.

Just ask Snowden. He was just a tip.
Id love to have been on some of the skunkworks projects. Closest I got was making parts for the prototype helicopter we used in the Bin Laden raid, back in '97.
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Id love to have been on some of the skunkworks projects. Closest I got was making parts for the prototype helicopter we used in the Bin Laden raid, back in '97.
A lot of the technology they pushed aside for now just isn't cost efficient yet. Once they get the cost under control, then we will see it. 10 to 15 yrs later. If NASA ever at their act together like they did for the Apollo missions. You would see an explosion of tech. Funny thing is. NASA can't build the F1 rocket motors for the Saturn booster any more. They don't know how the engineers did it back then. All the notes were lost.
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A lot of the technology they pushed aside for now just isn't cost efficient yet. Once they get the cost under control, then we will see it. 10 to 15 yrs later. If NASA ever at their act together like they did for the Apollo missions. You would see an explosion of tech. Funny thing is. NASA can't build the F1 rocket motors for the Saturn booster any more. They don't know how the engineers did it back then. All the notes were lost.
This brings to mind an interesting story from Boeing a while back, as told to me by our consultant, an ex-Boeing guy from way back. I'm not sure on time frame, but following a massive wave of retirements from older Boeing personnel, Boeing's assembly lines abruptly found themselves unable to fabricate several of their aircraft. They had to call back the retirees, because of all the custom or one-off stuff the retirees actually did to make components fit - shims, special custom tools, that kind of thing. It was a metric buttload of stuff that those fellas knew, and which had never been documented anywhere.

The whole clause 7.1.6 Organizational Knowledge was written into ISO9001:2015 partly as a result of trying to make organizations capture that kind of knowledge proactively, instead of reactively.
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This brings to mind an interesting story from Boeing a while back, as told to me by our consultant, an ex-Boeing guy from way back. I'm not sure on time frame, but following a massive wave of retirements from older Boeing personnel, Boeing's assembly lines abruptly found themselves unable to fabricate several of their aircraft. They had to call back the retirees, because of all the custom or one-off stuff the retirees actually did to make components fit - shims, special custom tools, that kind of thing. It was a metric buttload of stuff that those fellas knew, and which had never been documented anywhere.

The whole clause 7.1.6 Organizational Knowledge was written into ISO9001:2015 partly as a result of trying to make organizations capture that kind of knowledge proactively, instead of reactively.

This should tell the employers one thing. Don't treat the folks that work for you like crap. They are the reason you are successful. With all of the outsourcing, layoffs over the years, etc. Little nuggets of data are being kept private. Sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. Like Rusty for instance and the power plant he use to work at. New company bought the place and some higher up manager some where caused all kinds of grief for the employees. You reap what you sow.

I deal with this crap all the time. Sometimes I speak up, sometimes I don't.

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This should tell the employers one thing. Don't treat the folks that work for you like crap. They are the reason you are successful. With all of the outsourcing, layoffs over the years, etc. Little nuggets of data are being kept private. Sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. Like Rusty for instance and the power plant he use to work at. New company bought the place and some higher up manager some where caused all kinds of grief for the employees. You reap what you sow.

I deal with this crap all the time. Sometimes I speak up, sometimes I don't.
Absolutely agreed. I really hate outsourcing, I hate layoffs, and at my company we've been fortunate that we've managed to preserve manufacturing here in the US for as long as we have. We just had a 40 year employee retire, and we've got a fair number with 25 - 38 years here. However, we do need to capture their knowledge, because eventually they are going to depart, one way or another.
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The whole clause 7.1.6 Organizational Knowledge was written into ISO9001:2015 partly as a result of trying to make organizations capture that kind of knowledge proactively, instead of reactively.
I remember reading about that.

At Elliott and at the power plant. We called that Tribal Knowledge. It's knowledge that is handed down from the old guys to the new guys. If you were a new guy and an azz. You never got the full picture. At the power plant. I know where all the dead bodies are buried. I still get calls asking me about some things. Being hired during construction. I got to watch where all the short cuts were taken and changes made that never was on the PID's. Drawings that was never red lined.

When I retired. I took my note books with me. I've been questioned on them too.
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