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Originally Posted by geeteezee Was that the 2 doctors from California? I didn't get a chance to unfortunately, and it's since been taken down. From what I've read, their statistics

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Old 04-29-2020, 01:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Was that the 2 doctors from California? I didn't get a chance to unfortunately, and it's since been taken down. From what I've read, their statistics are quite skewed however.
Yeah, censorship. They got their statistics directly from CDC. Do you wonder WHY it was taken down?
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Yeah, censorship. They got their statistics directly from CDC. Do you wonder WHY it was taken down?
Pretty succinct, I believe:

“The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) jointly and emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19.”

EDIT: Their math is f'ed up big time. I hope that they are better doctors than they are statisticians!!!
I don't think it's a surprise why the post was pulled.

BTW, if you kill all of the law enforcement in a state, you have a much better chance of not being arrested. Similarly flawed argument. Also should be taken down if it ever comes up for real.

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Yeah, censorship. They got their statistics directly from CDC. Do you wonder WHY it was taken down?
It was taken down because it's ridiculous. Laughable if it weren't for the seriousness of the topic.
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Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling, likened their extrapolations to 'estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.'
'They've used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,' Bergstrom said.
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In a rare statement late Monday, the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine declared they 'emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi.'
'These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19,' the group continued.
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It was taken down because it's ridiculous. Laughable if it weren't for the seriousness of the topic.
Really? You haent even seen it yet dismiss it as such???
Yeah, your comment is EXACTLY whats wrong with todays society.
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Really? You haent even seen it yet dismiss it as such???
Yeah, your comment is EXACTLY whats wrong with todays society.
He, and I, dismissed it on the evidence of people who know more facts on the matter than the three of us together. Or did you not read our posts? THAT is what is wrong with society!

I did manage to find parts of it, and a report on it. Which is what I based my opinion on.

What's more the joint statement from The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) is pretty clear. Or do you think that they didn't see it either???

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I did manage to find parts of it, and a report on it. Which is what I based my opinion on.

What's more the joint statement from The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) is pretty clear. Or do you think that they didn't see it either???
I havent seen the report so I cant comment on it. What gets me is that the common flu has reached 'pandemc' levels before, yet there was no shelter in place. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of citizens in the US alone are being ruined financially. Families are struggling to find their next meal. Alot of small businesses closing their doors. Is the USNS Mercy or USNS Comfort (before it was decided it wasnt needed in NYC) at full capacity?
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I havent seen the report so I cant comment on it. What gets me is that the common flu has reached 'pandemc' levels before, yet there was no shelter in place. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of citizens in the US alone are being ruined financially. Families are struggling to find their next meal. Alot of small businesses closing their doors. Is the USNS Mercy or USNS Comfort (before it was decided it wasnt needed in NYC) at full capacity?
Yup, many millions, probably billions around the world are feeling the same pain. Many, many of them a lot worse off than us.

Here's the full report - if you care to waste an hour of your life. I'll readily admit that I did not see the whole thing, nor have I any wish to.

https://newtube.app/user/anthony/GlkxUvo

Report about it from everyone's favourite conspiracy theory rag:
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/...ng-of-country/

And the statement again, from people who know the facts better than me (and I suspect you or most of us here), which likely had the first part of the press conference removed from YouTube (the second half is still up on that platform):

“The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) jointly and emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19.”
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It was taken down because it's ridiculous. Laughable if it weren't for the seriousness of the topic.
We are in the USA. We have the 1st Amendment. Folks can say whatever they want for the most part unless they threaten someone's life. Even if I don't agree with them, they have a right to free speech.
That was my point with all of this and some of you guys completely missed it.

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We are in the USA. We have the 1st Amendment. Folks can say whatever they want for the most part unless they threaten someone's life. Even if I don't agree with them, they have a right to free speech.
That was my point with all of this and some of you guys completely missed it.
Your First Amendment means that they can post it themselves without the fear of GOVERNMENT prosecution, retribution, or censorship.

So they, you (or I, were I American) are entitled to voice our opinions, regardless of how uninformed they might be.

But is an independent business required to repeat it? YouTube is not a government (although it can act like one sometimes).

I'm sure that the terms and conditions of YouTube have been tested by now. Not that I (or anyone that I know) have actually read them.
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Your First Amendment means that they can post it themselves without the fear of GOVERNMENT prosecution, retribution, or censorship.

So they, you (or I, were I American) are entitled to voice our opinions, regardless of how uninformed they might be.

But is an independent business required to repeat it? YouTube is not a government (although it can act like one sometimes).

I'm sure that the terms and conditions of YouTube have been tested by now. Not that I (or anyone that I know) have actually read them.
There is a couple of law suits going through the courts right now against youtube for violating gov't regs.
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There is a couple of law suits going through the courts right now against youtube for violating gov't regs.
One was decided by an appellate court in February - in favour of YouTube.

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-conte...ent-ruling.pdf

In a unanimous opinion, the three judges of the 9th circuit wrote:
"PragerU's claim that YouTube censored PragerU's speech faces a formidable threshold hurdle: YouTube is a private entity. The Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment prohibits the government—not a private party—from abridging speech."

Your Supreme Court has also ruled that:
"merely hosting speech by others is not a traditional, exclusive public function and does not alone transform private entities into state actors subject to First Amendment constraints."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...-1702_h315.pdf
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