Is Nissan retiring the Z after 2018

SouthArk370Z

Not impossible but, IMNSHO, it's highly unlikely that there will be any major upgrades to the electrical grid.
Running more long-distance lines is very expensive. In many urban areas, there's not enough room to run more lines. More generating capacity is expensive and takes a long time to build.
And then you have to deal with the NIMBYs.

My prediction is that much of the recharging power will come from solar panels or other "non-grid" sources.

YMMV

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A 600 to 700 MW natural gas combine cycle 2 on 1 (2 gas turbines and 1 steam turbine) power plant takes 18 months to build and costs about $500,000,000 depending on area. They have to be close to water for cooling, gas supply, and grid hook up. Farther away, the higher the cost. If it runs 24/7 at close to max load. It will pay for it's self in about 4 years. Getting permits is another thing. That may take years.

Wind turbines produce about 3 MW's each on a good day (the new ones, 300ft). Cost about $250,000 each. Takes 30 years to pay for it's self. Plus they have to be built where the wind conditions are just right. Low wind will not produce enough electric. Too high of wind will over-speed the turbines, and kill them. When wind speeds are over around 25 mph. They lock the blades in place so that they don't spin, and turn them to a neutral position. So now it's not producing anything. Most of the wind farms are in the mid-west. I'm waiting to see a tornado wipe a farm out. Then see what the experts say.

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Felix 808

Yep , Wind power is usually nothing more than a big bird blender. While the turbines have brakes to control the rotor speeds, the systems are a maintenance headache. Let the rotors get out of balance & lose the breaks, look out. I've seen more than one rotor separate from the generator & tower. They are not a consistent source of energy and as mentioned the return on investment blows. You'll be lucky to see a return on investment over the true life of the equipment & taking away subsidies.

Oh & back on topic, I kind of wish they would pull the plug on the Z if they have no plans to update anything.

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Zoren 370

having a new model Z would only make it worst the on going depreciation of the 370Z to a level even a 18 year old could afford it.

Very sad. But it is what it is.


Do we need to close this thread? I think Im still hving fun with an electric Vibrator...massager on my back!

Rusty

Wind turbines are a maintenance headache. They are constantly re-torquing the bolting. I've had a couple of job offers to work at wind farms. Tuned them all down.

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Felix 808

Yep, I actually oversee the maintenance schedules on a small wind farm.
We have (7) 100 KW towers. The funny/ Sad thing is, we don't even have enough load to dump the energy we create & no way to store it. Money well wasted. We got ripped off for sure & suckered into the "Sustainability" B.S.

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Rusty

I worked for Duke Energy and Dynegy. As senior CRO at a 2 on 1 combine cycle. Also was the head of maintenance. The plant is in the PJM grid. PJM regulates load by price per MW. So the load is always changing. High price, you go up in load. Low price, you come down in load. I've seen the prices as high as $2,000 per MW. And low as minus $200 MW. You might as well pull the plug at those prices. Most grid operators give each plant a pre-set load for each hour. You have 10 minutes before and 10 minutes after the hour to match your load schedule. If you are not matching after the 10 minutes. You pay a penalty. If your plant trips off line. You have to buy MW's from another generator at market prices. Hopefully it's not at the 2 peak period times during the day. If it is. You can lose all of your week's profit in a few hours. If it's off peak. You can make money by not running.

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ZeeingAround

There are several ideas to dump the "waste" energy as you call it.
Why is there not a synchronous inverter to sell it back to the utility?
Why is there not a battery bank for storage?
You could also dump it into a large insulated water storage tank to offset water heating costs?
Or my favorite,
Run the excess energy into the largest Tesla coil you can find.

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Rusty

1. They don't make enough to sell it to the grid. They might have to buy power from the grid to cover their electric use.
2. You have a battery big enough to handle 700 volts? Duke Energy has been trying to develop a battery storage system for years.
3. Be cheaper to just lock the turbine in place and not spin the blades. If you can make steam. You could sell the steam to some factory. But the problem with that is. Wind farms are far away from anything like that.
4. The Tesla coil. If it's too close. You end up frying your own wind mills.

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