Fast Intentions exhaust and header comparison. Before and after UPRev tune (Dyno)

Daishi · 03-25-2010, 10:44 AM

great gains but im wondering whats going on with the top of the graph it seems like there is a bottleneck somewhere.. maybe the stillens suck? it cant be the LTH's or FI catback.. thats the most free flowing setup on the market.. only other thing it could be is the stillen intake, they probably just slapped together an intake in 2 seconds and put it on the car without any testing.. wouldnt surprise me.

semtex · 03-25-2010, 10:51 AM

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the stillen intake, they probably just slapped together an intake in 2 seconds and put it on the car without any testing.. wouldnt surprise me.

Wow, that is hands down one of the most asinine things I've read on this forum in a long time. And that's saying a lot, considering some of the posts I see every day. You have some kind of past bad experience or grudge with Stillen or something? I mean, saying that some product has some deficiencies is one thing. But it's a bit of a stretch to go from that to saying they just slapped it together in 2 seconds and did no testing, don't ya think?

Daishi · 03-25-2010, 10:57 AM

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Wow, that is hands down one of the most asinine things I've read on this forum in a long time. And that's saying a lot, considering some of the posts I see every day. You have some kind of past bad experience or grudge with Stillen or something?

If youve read the posts on this forum and the g37 forums most are complaints of a horribly designed product that doesnt fit right. Most of their products have horrible fitment and youll see many posts about it if you looked around which leads one to believe they slap parts together. Even tony said that the g3's offered no power over the stock intakes once you have an exhaust on the car and made the car run horrible. Dangerous level of A/F. Im sorry semtex but the only reason you are being so defensive over this is because you spent some of your hard earned money on their inferior products. I have no grudge against you as a person I just hear way too many complaints about stillen. Have you heard any fitment, power, or customer service complaints about Fi? no.. Stillen on the other hand you hear it ALLL the time.

semtex · 03-25-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Daishi

If youve read the posts on this forum and the g37 forums most are complaints of a horribly designed product that doesnt fit right. Most of their products have horrible fitment and youll see many posts about it if you looked around which leads one to believe they slap parts together. Even tony said that the g3's offered no power over the stock intakes once you have an exhaust on the car and made the car run horrible. Dangerous level of A/F. Im sorry semtex but the only reason you are being so defensive over this is because you spent some of your hard earned money on their inferior products. I have no grudge against you as a person I just hear way too many complaints about stillen. Have you heard any fitment, power, or customer service complaints about Fi? no.. Stillen on the other hand you hear it ALLL the time.

I'm not trying to be defensive, I'm trying to be fair, which I don't think you're being at all. I will be the first to admit that Stillen products are less than perfect and while some of them are great, some have pretty serious issues. The only point I'm trying to make here is that there's a middle ground. Products don't have to be either perfect or complete and utter crap. It doesn't have to be one extreme or another. Are the G3's perfect? Nope. But that doesn't mean we have to automatically go to the opposite extreme and accuse Stillen of doing absolutely no product testing at all, do we? I mean, that's a pretty harsh accusation you're making there. Zero testing? Maybe they didn't test enough. Or maybe their test methodology was flawed. But zero testing? No testing whatsoever? C'mon man, that's just unfair. We don't have to go to such an extreme to offer legitimate criticism of a company and/or product. Let me put it this way. I'm not a big fan of our current President. I think he and his policies have many faults. They are far from perfect. But that imperfection doesn't prompt me to go to the extreme of saying that he is utterly and completely without merit either. That would be disingenuous, IMHO.

Daishi · 03-25-2010, 11:19 AM

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I'm not trying to be defensive, I'm trying to be fair, which I don't think you're being at all. I will be the first to admit that Stillen products are less than perfect and while some of them are great, some have pretty serious issues. The only point I'm trying to make here is that there's a middle ground. Products don't have to be either perfect or complete and utter crap. It doesn't have to be one extreme or another. Are the G3's perfect? Nope. But that doesn't mean we have to automatically go to the opposite extreme and accuse Stillen of doing absolutely no product testing at all, do we? I mean, that's a pretty harsh accusation you're making there. Zero testing? Maybe they didn't test enough. Or maybe their test methodology was flawed. But zero testing? No testing whatsoever? C'mon man, that's just unfair. We don't have to go to such an extreme to offer legitimate criticism of a company and/or product. Let me put it this way. I'm not a big fan of our current President. I think he and his policies have many faults. They are far from perfect. But that imperfection doesn't prompt me to go to the extreme of saying that he is utterly and completely without merit either. That would be disingenuous, IMHO.

I agree maybe i shouldn't of said they did zero testing but think of it this way. No matter how you slice it whether they didnt do enough testing or their methodology was flawed it still leaves their product in my eyes in the end still as flawed as if they did little to no testing at all. I mean does it take a genius to make a couple systems, install it on a couple different cars and say holy crap this system doesn't fit right, lets fix it. No they ship the product anyway.. But lets just say for arguments sake they didnt experience that problem and all was well.. You would think after all the fitment complaints they would actually fix the problem but no to this day people continue to have problems with their products with no fix from stillen. Instead their answer is hey we are designing a new version just buy it when it comes out.. uhhh no fix the product that you sold me in the first place or give me the new version when that comes out free of charge.

semtex · 03-25-2010, 11:27 AM

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I agree maybe i shouldn't of said they did zero testing but think of it this way. No matter how you slice it whether they didnt do enough testing or their methodology was flawed it still leaves their product in my eyes in the end still as flawed as if they did little to no testing at all. I mean does it take a genius to make a couple systems, install it on a couple different cars and say holy crap this system doesn't fit right, lets fix it. No they ship the product anyway.. But lets just say for arguments sake they didnt experience that problem and all was well.. You would think after all the fitment complaints they would actually fix the problem but no to this day people continue to have problems with their products with no fix from stillen. Instead their answer is hey we are designing a new version just buy it when it comes out.. uhhh no fix the product that you sold me in the first place or give me the new version when that comes out free of charge.

I agree. Like I said, I have no problem admitting that their stuff is less than perfect. I am less than entirely smitten with their stuff, to put it diplomatically. To be honest, one of the biggest factors in why I went with some of their stuff is that they were first to market, and I'm just really impatient, lol. I bought my car in Jan. of '09 and was just dying to start modding it, but options were quite limited that early on. I'm glad that better stuff is coming to market (like F.I.'s stuff), and I have no problem with switching over when something better comes along (which is why I'm #2 on the group buy for the LTHs). I'm not brand-loyal. I'm results-loyal. Of course, my bank balance hates me, but that's a different topic for a different time and place.

Peace, bro.

Daishi · 03-25-2010, 11:33 AM

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I agree. Like I said, I have no problem admitting that their stuff is less than perfect. I am less than entirely smitten with their stuff, to put it diplomatically. To be honest, one of the biggest factors in why I went with some of their stuff is that they were first to market, and I'm just really impatient, lol. I bought my car in Jan. of '09 and was just dying to start modding it, but options were quite limited that early on. I'm glad that better stuff is coming to market (like F.I.'s stuff), and I have no problem with switching over when something better comes along (which is why I'm #2 on the group buy for the LTHs). I'm not brand-loyal. I'm results-loyal. Of course, my bank balance hates me, but that's a different topic for a different time and place.

Peace, bro.

I completely understand and I probably couldn't of said that better myself. Like you my bank balance hates me as well lol. Now lets hope we can get these LTH's in hand soon

we are #2 and #3 shouldn't be long. Im anxious to experience all the gains lol.

Peace Out.

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03-25-2010, 10:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
Daishi Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 683 Drives: 09 370z 6Speed Rep Power: 18	great gains but im wondering whats going on with the top of the graph it seems like there is a bottleneck somewhere.. maybe the stillens suck? it cant be the LTH's or FI catback.. thats the most free flowing setup on the market.. only other thing it could be is the stillen intake, they probably just slapped together an intake in 2 seconds and put it on the car without any testing.. wouldnt surprise me.