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Old 04-09-2014, 10:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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In all honesty these GTM threads are dead . It has come to I heard or a friend told me . GTM no longer updates anything because u guys are sooooo mean and this is just another community they have chit on ... Sorry guys !!!
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In all honesty these GTM threads are dead . It has come to I heard or a friend told me . GTM no longer updates anything because u guys are sooooo mean and this is just another community they have chit on ... Sorry guys !!!
As someone who is looking to go FI soon, I was liking the GTM kits but after reading countless threads about them I got discouraged. It really is a shame, it sounds like they have good products. At least Stillen, F.I., and BP seem to be responsive and offer support. I'll count your statement as a rumor because any business that is reputable can handle the criticism. It's really their actions (or lack thereof) that speak for itself.
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As someone who is looking to go FI soon, I was liking the GTM kits but after reading countless threads about them I got discouraged. It really is a shame, it sounds like they have good products. At least Stillen, F.I., and BP seem to be responsive and offer support. I'll count your statement as a rumor because any business that is reputable can handle the criticism. It's really their actions (or lack thereof) that speak for itself.
Don't forget that this is the "Social Media Age ". This global social media will eventually destroy your reputation and put your business in limbo if you repeatedly screw up. It will happen before you know it.... sooner or later.

I was and still am ( Don't know how much longer ) a GTM fan but I have to say that they REALLY messed up this time bad about this version 3 Turbo kit. That's why they shut the door to all questions concerning this kit with the exception for the customers who have paid for this kit.

I personally think that's the right move in order to salvage themselves from this black hole that they are currently in right now. I sincerely hope they can turn around.
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In all honesty these GTM threads are dead . It has come to I heard or a friend told me . GTM no longer updates anything because u guys are sooooo mean and this is just another community they have chit on ... Sorry guys !!!
Well, this makes sense (or at least to me)


Why come here and post something if it's not THE news we want to hear? We're going to SHIT on anything they do post anyways. And why make excuses for themselves at this point?

Might as well cut their losses and wait for whatever the hell they're waiting for, put the damn kit out, THEN do some mob control.
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Why come here and post something if it's not THE news we want to hear? We're going to SHIT on anything they do post anyways. And why make excuses for themselves at this point?

Might as well cut their losses and wait for whatever the hell they're waiting for, put the damn kit out, THEN do some mob control.
I kinda disagree. Maybe if we were in middle school and you constantly got bullied, then, I could understand.

We're all grown adults and they weren't shy of taking thousands and thousands of dollar for an imaginary product. This isnt their first rodeo so I'm sure they knew the what they were getting themselves into.

For that, to hide behind the "we're too mean or better not post anything because we're gonna get chewed out" is just low at this point. People's hard earned money are at stake and they deserve better. Their reputation has found them (or should I say karma) from my350 and it's the same outcome. Stay quiet and hope the few n00bs slip thru the cracks and buys their product.

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I kinda disagree. Maybe if we were in middle school and you constantly got bullied, then, I could understand.

We're all grown adults and they weren't shy of taking thousands and thousands of dollar for an imaginary product. This isnt their first rodeo so I'm sure they knew the what they were getting themselves into.

For that, to hide behind the "we're too mean or better not post anything because we're gonna get chewed out" is just low at this point. People's hard earned money are at stake and they deserve better. Their reputation has found them (or should I say karma) from my350 and it's the same outcome. Stay quiet and hope the few n00bs slip thru the cracks and buys their product.

Man up. This is a big boy world.
Man I hope GTM get their act together soon because I am seriously considering Fast Intentions TT kit down the line.
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I kinda disagree. Maybe if we were in middle school and you constantly got bullied, then, I could understand.

We're all grown adults and they weren't shy of taking thousands and thousands of dollar for an imaginary product. This isnt their first rodeo so I'm sure they knew the what they were getting themselves into.

For that, to hide behind the "we're too mean or better not post anything because we're gonna get chewed out" is just low at this point. People's hard earned money are at stake and they deserve better. Their reputation has found them (or should I say karma) from my350 and it's the same outcome. Stay quiet and hope the few n00bs slip thru the cracks and buys their product.

Man up. This is a big boy world.
Agreed. If they had kept the communication up the entire time then much of the negativity would have been avoided. Not all of it of course but their silence has to have attributed to at least 50% of the anger aimed at them on here.

Silence is generally seen as an affirmative response to a comment or question. So if someone says "you guys are dodgy and ripping people off" then silence will generally be taken as "why yes. Yes we are".
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Agreed. If they had kept the communication up the entire time then much of the negativity would have been avoided. Not all of it of course but their silence has to have attributed to at least 50% of the anger aimed at them on here.

Silence is generally seen as an affirmative response to a comment or question. So if someone says "you guys are dodgy and ripping people off" then silence will generally be taken as "why yes. Yes we are".
Never a good way to handle things!

I didn't believe what I read from you! Lol! So did you ask for a refund now? any updates?
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I didn't believe what I read from you! Lol! So did you ask for a refund now? any updates?
You obviously haven't being paying attention. Here are two of my posts from way back at the start of October.

"Delays are not the end of the world for me. The lack of communication is what is disappointing. Without even considering everyone else, to hold over $8000 of my money for months on end without a single email explaining what is going on, is not good business practise. I could have simply chucked that cash into a 6 month term deposit and made a couple of hundred on it by now. To be honest it is pretty typical of most performance garages though, fantastic products, great mechanics and engineers, but not a huge amount of business accumen.

I am not worried about being ripped off. I know that the kit will arrive eventually and will kick *** but I do hope that GTM learn a thing or two about communication from reading this thread.

People will always forgive mistakes and delays, as long as they feel as though the company is doing everything they can to make things right. A simple blanket email every few weeks, with a status update for everyone who has ordered and paid would go a hell of a long way. Being on the other side of the planet, I do not really have the luxury of being able to pick up the phone and call (nor should i really have to). Being left in the dark is what causes people to lose confidence and provokes many of the comments made over the last dozen or so pages of this thread."

And then two weeks later......

"This is basically what I wrote about 10 pages back. Anyone who was suprised when it was delayed massively is a little naive. Big project = Big potential delays.

The lack of communication whilst holding peoples money is the issue here really. I'm willing to wait as long as it takes but I truely hope that GTM learn a little about communication from this. When mistakes happen, its how they are dealt with that determines peoples final opinion of a business.

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You obviously haven't being paying attention. Here are two of my posts from way back at the start of October.

"Delays are not the end of the world for me. The lack of communication is what is disappointing. Without even considering everyone else, to hold over $8000 of my money for months on end without a single email explaining what is going on, is not good business practise. I could have simply chucked that cash into a 6 month term deposit and made a couple of hundred on it by now. To be honest it is pretty typical of most performance garages though, fantastic products, great mechanics and engineers, but not a huge amount of business accumen.

I am not worried about being ripped off. I know that the kit will arrive eventually and will kick *** but I do hope that GTM learn a thing or two about communication from reading this thread.

People will always forgive mistakes and delays, as long as they feel as though the company is doing everything they can to make things right. A simple blanket email every few weeks, with a status update for everyone who has ordered and paid would go a hell of a long way. Being on the other side of the planet, I do not really have the luxury of being able to pick up the phone and call (nor should i really have to). Being left in the dark is what causes people to lose confidence and provokes many of the comments made over the last dozen or so pages of this thread."

And then two weeks later......

"This is basically what I wrote about 10 pages back. Anyone who was suprised when it was delayed massively is a little naive. Big project = Big potential delays.

The lack of communication whilst holding peoples money is the issue here really. I'm willing to wait as long as it takes but I truely hope that GTM learn a little about communication from this. When mistakes happen, its how they are dealt with that determines peoples final opinion of a business.

That said.........Gimme my Boost!!!"
Just curious, are you going to wait forever till they ship the kit or you already have a specific day that you pick the phone and ask for refund?
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You obviously haven't being paying attention. Here are two of my posts from way back at the start of October.

"Delays are not the end of the world for me. The lack of communication is what is disappointing. Without even considering everyone else, to hold over $8000 of my money for months on end without a single email explaining what is going on, is not good business practise. I could have simply chucked that cash into a 6 month term deposit and made a couple of hundred on it by now. To be honest it is pretty typical of most performance garages though, fantastic products, great mechanics and engineers, but not a huge amount of business accumen.

I am not worried about being ripped off. I know that the kit will arrive eventually and will kick *** but I do hope that GTM learn a thing or two about communication from reading this thread.

People will always forgive mistakes and delays, as long as they feel as though the company is doing everything they can to make things right. A simple blanket email every few weeks, with a status update for everyone who has ordered and paid would go a hell of a long way. Being on the other side of the planet, I do not really have the luxury of being able to pick up the phone and call (nor should i really have to). Being left in the dark is what causes people to lose confidence and provokes many of the comments made over the last dozen or so pages of this thread."

And then two weeks later......

"This is basically what I wrote about 10 pages back. Anyone who was suprised when it was delayed massively is a little naive. Big project = Big potential delays.

The lack of communication whilst holding peoples money is the issue here really. I'm willing to wait as long as it takes but I truely hope that GTM learn a little about communication from this. When mistakes happen, its how they are dealt with that determines peoples final opinion of a business.

That said.........Gimme my Boost!!!"
Man... I don't know any more. I have been a VERY FIRM GTM believer but now my confidence is starting to erode for 2 reasons :

1)) Severe lack of communications and very rude customer support from GTM

2)) There are a lot of talks about possible quality issues with their turbo kit since the price is so much cheaper than industry standard. I hope this is not true but it's hard to ignore this rumor.

But at least I will try to hang on to GTM until my limit is being reached. After that, I will have a serious talk with Tony and Dave over at F.I. and possibly start considering their product



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Without even considering everyone else, to hold over $8000 of my money for months on end without a single email explaining what is going on, is not good business practise.
Actually if they were holding your money until they could ship the product it would not be nearly as bad as spending the money for other operating expenses as fast as it comes in. That would appear to be more likely when you consider the time it took to refund deposits. If they are really running hand to mouth you would not want to be the last person standing when the music stops.
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I really don't understand their logic. They expect to take people's money (and we're not talking pocket change here) over imaginary poor quality products with poorer customer service and expect zero reaction from the community? Is that their explanation for "sh!tting on the community"? Because the Z/G community is the one being irrational here?
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