Forged Perfomance and my G37 TT build

370Zsteve · 04-09-2010, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

You would be surprised what shows up on tracks. Honestly, the shape juan's car is in would be allowed on most tracks!!! It's scary!!!

By the way the race 370z is not sharif's and is worked on by the owner of the car but just in their shop. I know because I helped him install his sway bars while my coilovers were being installed.

I've logged tons of track miles for decades. Never saw a car like that

and never want to!

bullitt5897 · 04-09-2010, 08:06 PM

I have seen quite a few but they were mainly cars built on a budget and on redneck ingenuity

LateralG'z · 04-09-2010, 08:13 PM

I feel so bad for this guy. This is sad, in this economy reputation can really be a deal sealer or breaker. It looks so bad from the pics. GTM needs to be the third party or mediator if this is what they received from forged. This is enough bad publicity that I would never trust them with my car, and until there is some real defense Juan has a real case and should definitely start to pursue some resurrection legally.

370Zsteve · 04-09-2010, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

I have seen quite a few but they were mainly cars built on a budget and on redneck ingenuity

lol I forgot you were in GA

I swear up here you couldn't get into a demo derby without a full inspection

whiddles · 04-09-2010, 08:30 PM

i would not let them touch a kia after this. DAMN

DannyGT · 04-09-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

Thanks...I think?

Seriously, though, I am not trying to come off on this forum as an a-hole. I have just been in this arena for far too long to sit back and watch those who haven't get snowed by vendors and their hype. I was once in their position and I got burned a few times. If it means taking some lumps by the fanbois in the process, so be it. I'm thick-skinned and know that eventually they will be thankful for the information I provide.

And I can categorically say that those pictures are the real deal and that was FP's work. Even Sharif will be admitting to this when he posts, I'm sure. No way he would/could deny it.

I kidd I kidd ofcoarse. Its clear that you have experience, and I just wanted to point out that its evident in your posts. Even if some may hate or think your being to fanboy-ish, you have stayed true to the nature of your posts and I just like brute honesty.

frost · 04-09-2010, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiddles

i would not let them touch a kia after this. DAMN

Well, let's not go crazy. I'm sure anything would be an improvement to that.

Sharif@Forged · 04-09-2010, 08:32 PM

This will likely be my only post on this matter.

Forged Performance has been in business for over 5 years, and we literally work on about 400 cars each year and have thousands of satisfied customers. We are here 6 days a week working and managing 30-40 project cars at a time with the 11 employees on the payroll. We've performed everything from simple bolt on's, to full race car prep and custom fabrication. Our consistent track record is well noted on various forums we have always been one of the leading Nissan tuning shops on the country. I've personally tuned several hundreds of Nissan's with a pattern of safety and reliability.

That said, our shop is no different from many others in that we aren't perfect, and we do make mistakes. The people that worked on this customer's car were terminated long ago, and no longer work here. In fact, we haven't worked on this car for well over a year. Clearly, the pictures posted are not representative of the type of work we perform on a daily basis, and there is no excuse for it.

Now lets talk about the false and misleading claims that the owner of the car has posted:

1) On the original installation, the engine did not BLOW-UP on the dyno from tuning. During the initial baseline tuning process I made less than 10 dyno pulls on the car, and most of them were not even to redline. At this point, everything appeared normal. However, after an initial brief road test a light ticking noise was heard. This ticking noise was later determined to be caused by 5 rods with the smallest of bends to them. If you can tell me how rods become laterally wavy from some light tuning, I would love to hear it.

Engine components show zero signs of detonation, lean condition, heat, or other issues that could be attributed to improper tuning:

2) Once it was determined that the rods were bad, the customer had the choice of having us build him a new OEM block, or our built S1 Shortblock. He was not forced to switch to a built block. He chose our S1 Shortblock and paid for parts ONLY. All of the thousands of dollars of labor were covered by Forged Performance. All this customer had to give us was some time to complete the project.

3) The customer couldn't wait for his car to be finished, so instead he came into our shop and illegally removed the car from our lot without paying his $12,000 outstanding balance. I called 911 and the police arrived while I was on the phone with the customer begging him to bring the car back. I agreed not to press charges.

4) The damage to his vehicle while in our custody is unquestionably our responsibility and the customer was informed of this damage immediately. The tail light and bumper needed to be replaced and repainted. It always has been, and we paid for the repairs without any question. We never once suggested junkyard parts.

I am still at a loss as to why this person waited for over a year to make this thread. When the customer took possession of his vehicle from GTM, he drove it to my shop and we had a good conversation about the whole situation. At that point, we shook hands and looked eye to eye and agreed that I would take care of a portion of the GTM bill, and cut him a check for the damages. If there were still some hard feelings, I didn't sense that.

In fact, about 4 months ago, the customer called and spoke to Scott Siegel one of our tuners here, asking how much it would cost for a methanol kit and retune of his FCON.

So rather than speculate on the purpose of this thread, I will close by saying that I've spent the better part of a half decade building some of the best Nissan's in the country and building this business from the ground up. I started with myself and one employee, and we've now grown to 11 employees. Our business has quadrupled over the years and it's because we offer a lot to our customers. As we've gotten bigger, we've also become a bigger target and many people are just waiting to pounce if they ever see a horror story about our shop.

We aren't perfect obviously, and there have been plenty of bumps, poor hires, and mistakes made along the way. If you think there is another shop in the country that is perfect, you should think again. But under no circumstances have I ever turned my back on a problem, or a customer, when an issue presents itself. I've spent thousands of MY own dollars fixing issues that weren't even our fault! This business may seem like it's just fun and in many ways it is. But it's also the sole source of income for 11 households, and puts food on tables, pays mortgages and puts kids through school. So we will defend our business vigorously, while striving to get better each day at what we do.

I'm sorry I won't be able to go back and forth on this thread. I have advised my sales guys to stay out as well since they are not involved in this matter. I am still at the shop working and tuning, and will probably be here until midnight, or until the cops kick us out for making too much noise on the dyno.

vipor · 04-09-2010, 08:33 PM

Thanks for the thorough reply Sharif!

370Zsteve · 04-09-2010, 08:36 PM

^^^ good enough for me, Sharif! I knew I smelled fish!

In before the lock.

whiddles · 04-09-2010, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frost

Well, let's not go crazy. I'm sure anything would be an improvement to that.

Haha TRUE

Caravanshaka · 04-09-2010, 08:40 PM

IBTL

My question would be, how did that car leave the shop in that condition? Sure, the employees have been terminated, but that should have been patched up long before the car left.

vipor · 04-09-2010, 08:41 PM

My understanding from his reply was that the customer requested to take the car from the shop, even "stole" it initially before talking to them.

Prosport Gauges · 04-09-2010, 08:41 PM

I Only have one Question! at 1,500 miles, why didnt this motor get more break in time?

370Zsteve · 04-09-2010, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan_west06

I Only have one Question! at 1,500 miles, why didnt this motor get more break in time?

Sounds like the OP was in a big hurry to be the first TT

04-09-2010, 08:06 PM	#167 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	I have seen quite a few but they were mainly cars built on a budget and on redneck ingenuity __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

04-09-2010, 08:13 PM	#168 (permalink)
LateralG'z Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 876 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 16	I feel so bad for this guy. This is sad, in this economy reputation can really be a deal sealer or breaker. It looks so bad from the pics. GTM needs to be the third party or mediator if this is what they received from forged. This is enough bad publicity that I would never trust them with my car, and until there is some real defense Juan has a real case and should definitely start to pursue some resurrection legally. __________________ 2010 Mag Black, 6MT,

04-09-2010, 08:32 PM	#173 (permalink)
Sharif@Forged The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 840 Drives: 2009 GT-R, 2010 370Z Rep Power: 17	This will likely be my only post on this matter. Forged Performance has been in business for over 5 years, and we literally work on about 400 cars each year and have thousands of satisfied customers. We are here 6 days a week working and managing 30-40 project cars at a time with the 11 employees on the payroll. We've performed everything from simple bolt on's, to full race car prep and custom fabrication. Our consistent track record is well noted on various forums we have always been one of the leading Nissan tuning shops on the country. I've personally tuned several hundreds of Nissan's with a pattern of safety and reliability. That said, our shop is no different from many others in that we aren't perfect, and we do make mistakes. The people that worked on this customer's car were terminated long ago, and no longer work here. In fact, we haven't worked on this car for well over a year. Clearly, the pictures posted are not representative of the type of work we perform on a daily basis, and there is no excuse for it. Now lets talk about the false and misleading claims that the owner of the car has posted: 1) On the original installation, the engine did not BLOW-UP on the dyno from tuning. During the initial baseline tuning process I made less than 10 dyno pulls on the car, and most of them were not even to redline. At this point, everything appeared normal. However, after an initial brief road test a light ticking noise was heard. This ticking noise was later determined to be caused by 5 rods with the smallest of bends to them. If you can tell me how rods become laterally wavy from some light tuning, I would love to hear it. Engine components show zero signs of detonation, lean condition, heat, or other issues that could be attributed to improper tuning: 2) Once it was determined that the rods were bad, the customer had the choice of having us build him a new OEM block, or our built S1 Shortblock. He was not forced to switch to a built block. He chose our S1 Shortblock and paid for parts ONLY. All of the thousands of dollars of labor were covered by Forged Performance. All this customer had to give us was some time to complete the project. 3) The customer couldn't wait for his car to be finished, so instead he came into our shop and illegally removed the car from our lot without paying his $12,000 outstanding balance. I called 911 and the police arrived while I was on the phone with the customer begging him to bring the car back. I agreed not to press charges. 4) The damage to his vehicle while in our custody is unquestionably our responsibility and the customer was informed of this damage immediately. The tail light and bumper needed to be replaced and repainted. It always has been, and we paid for the repairs without any question. We never once suggested junkyard parts. I am still at a loss as to why this person waited for over a year to make this thread. When the customer took possession of his vehicle from GTM, he drove it to my shop and we had a good conversation about the whole situation. At that point, we shook hands and looked eye to eye and agreed that I would take care of a portion of the GTM bill, and cut him a check for the damages. If there were still some hard feelings, I didn't sense that. In fact, about 4 months ago, the customer called and spoke to Scott Siegel one of our tuners here, asking how much it would cost for a methanol kit and retune of his FCON. So rather than speculate on the purpose of this thread, I will close by saying that I've spent the better part of a half decade building some of the best Nissan's in the country and building this business from the ground up. I started with myself and one employee, and we've now grown to 11 employees. Our business has quadrupled over the years and it's because we offer a lot to our customers. As we've gotten bigger, we've also become a bigger target and many people are just waiting to pounce if they ever see a horror story about our shop. We aren't perfect obviously, and there have been plenty of bumps, poor hires, and mistakes made along the way. If you think there is another shop in the country that is perfect, you should think again. But under no circumstances have I ever turned my back on a problem, or a customer, when an issue presents itself. I've spent thousands of MY own dollars fixing issues that weren't even our fault! This business may seem like it's just fun and in many ways it is. But it's also the sole source of income for 11 households, and puts food on tables, pays mortgages and puts kids through school. So we will defend our business vigorously, while striving to get better each day at what we do. I'm sorry I won't be able to go back and forth on this thread. I have advised my sales guys to stay out as well since they are not involved in this matter. I am still at the shop working and tuning, and will probably be here until midnight, or until the cops kick us out for making too much noise on the dyno. __________________ Sharif@Forgedperformance.com General Manager/Certified Tuner/NASA-PCA-BMWCAA Instructor JRZ RS1's Available NOW...PM me Cobb ProTuner, Uprev ECU Flash, FCON Vpro, Haltech, Motec Certified

04-09-2010, 08:33 PM	#174 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 41 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 48	Thanks for the thorough reply Sharif! __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers Last edited by vipor; 04-09-2010 at 08:37 PM. Reason: Timing.

04-09-2010, 08:36 PM	#175 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 42	^^^ good enough for me, Sharif! I knew I smelled fish! In before the lock. __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

04-09-2010, 08:30 PM	#170 (permalink)
whiddles Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: FT HOOD Posts: 219 Drives: G37S AB Rep Power: 15	i would not let them touch a kia after this. DAMN

04-09-2010, 08:40 PM	#177 (permalink)
Caravanshaka I shake Caravans Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: north Dallas Posts: 9,517 Drives: everyone crazy Rep Power: 42	IBTL My question would be, how did that car leave the shop in that condition? Sure, the employees have been terminated, but that should have been patched up long before the car left. __________________ ____________________ PROJECT DiaD - Sold but not forgotten! The first testicular guard, the "Cup," was used in Hockey in 1874 and the first helmet was used in 1974. That means it only took 100 years for men to realize that in order to work the penis, the brain must remain whole.

04-09-2010, 08:41 PM	#178 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 41 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 48	My understanding from his reply was that the customer requested to take the car from the shop, even "stole" it initially before talking to them. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

04-09-2010, 08:41 PM	#179 (permalink)
Prosport Gauges Banned Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 339 Drives: 2009 370z Rep Power: 0	I Only have one Question! at 1,500 miles, why didnt this motor get more break in time?

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