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Originally Posted by RCZ Come on now...if you had made good power you would not have waited until it was "done" to post results. It may not be broken by

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Old 10-20-2010, 09:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Come on now...if you had made good power you would not have waited until it was "done" to post results. It may not be broken by the definition of the word broken, but its obviously not doing what you were hoping it would. My car is a work in progress too and I'm sure I'm going to make more power when winter rolls around, but I put my numbers out there.

I mean, ok we get it, but don't BS us...

Personally though, I don't understand how you guys have the nerve to not post results YOU HAVE and then come in here and bash on the Stillen kit and the people who have actually posted their numbers. Am I the only one who sees a problem with that?
Nope, still would not have.
People are waiting for the full 8PSI run so I will wait to post what they want. There will be plenty of standard GTM stage 1 builds that I can wait. I do not BS nor do I intend to sway numbers in favor of one company. I will say I was a bit shocked on the original pulls making 5PSI, but then we got down to analyzing it and found out what was going on and continue to work on it as quickly as we can.

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Are you assuming you know what I want and what I plan to do with my car? When I originally talked to Sam the very first time, I told him I might end up running a 6PSI pulley with stock headers/cats just so I keep it at 400whp and no more. Then we threw in the idea of LTHs and started on a different path, and we are where we are today. No problems, nothing is broken, everything is working as intended and we hope to combine the LTHs with the stage 1 kit so everyone can enjoy this combination.

On your last paragraph, Shumby has posted his results, other G37 guys have on the other forum. I believe I am one of the first with a completed 370z kit while the others have opted to wait for the new piping instead of finishing then having to go back and change the piece out. Also, before you get all jumpy on this revised piece, nothing is wrong with the current one. Sam is improving the current design to be even better, if I never got the new piece I would never care, but he is sending me it free of charge to help all SC owners have a better kit.

You really want to start a mud slinging war RCZ, great, but do some research before posting instead of just putting the blinders on and typing. I am favor of neither Stillen nor GTM, I have owned products from both and many other companies. I buy what I want, use it, if I enjoy it or hate it I report back exactly what I have found wrong and right. We are all happy you have a working SC kit, but as it has been pointed out no one here seems to care really. You got a custom tune, are running other upgraded items Stillen has yet to test themselves and are putting down good numbers. Congrats, but lets move on past that point and look at what is going on with the majority of owners, from both sides. Stillen is still having issues with their tune and GTM customers are just waiting for a new piece to bolt down and be on the road.
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No problems, nothing is broken, everything is working as intended and we hope to combine the LTHs with the stage 1 kit so everyone can enjoy this combination.
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You claim to be unbiased and neutral and not promoting GTM or Stillen, but to claim that everything is "working as intended" with your GTM kit is biased and not accurate. Your kit was intended to make 8 psi of boost. You get 5 psi. Your kit was intended to make 450 hp. Yours does not, or you would have posted the results. Even if you made 400 whp you would be happy and would have posted the results - you have stated that 400 whp was your goal. You state that the fix is a simple bolt on, but a kit that "has no problems" and is "working as intedended" should not need a fix. Regardless, the fix has been in the works for 4 months and is still not done.
The truth is that the GTM stage 1 unit is just a little undersized for the 370z so that it produces good midrange power at the expense of peak horsepower. With the GTM unit, it starts falling out of its peak efficiency range when you try to push it to 8 psi of boost at the high flow requirements the engine has at the redline. The Stillen SC is a bigger unit and makes less boost in the midrange, but more in the upper rev range when the SC gets into its peak efficiency. I have headers and cats and exhaust and the Stillen kit still makes 9 psi of boost.
I make my comments based on the data. That is the idea behind being unbiased.
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You claim to be unbiased and neutral and not promoting GTM or Stillen, but to claim that everything is "working as intended" with your GTM kit is biased and not accurate. Your kit was intended to make 8 psi of boost. You get 5 psi. Your kit was intended to make 450 hp. Yours does not, or you would have posted the results. Even if you made 400 whp you would be happy and would have posted the results - you have stated that 400 whp was your goal. You state that the fix is a simple bolt on, but a kit that "has no problems" and is "working as intedended" should not need a fix. Regardless, the fix has been in the works for 4 months and is still not done.
The truth is that the GTM stage 1 unit is just a little undersized for the 370z so that it produces good midrange power at the expense of peak horsepower. With the GTM unit, it starts falling out of its peak efficiency range when you try to push it to 8 psi of boost at the high flow requirements the engine has at the redline. The Stillen SC is a bigger unit and makes less boost in the midrange, but more in the upper rev range when the SC gets into its peak efficiency. I have headers and cats and exhaust and the Stillen kit still makes 9 psi of boost.
I make my comments based on the data. That is the idea behind being unbiased.
What is wrong with my kit?
Oh I am not making 8PSI because of my long tube headers, you claim you have headers and HFC, congrats but you still have major restriction which creates back pressure. Do you even know how LTHs will alter a SC unit, go spend some time on an American car forum and talk to a few of them about SC & LTHs, I did so I got an understanding of what to expect. I knew ahead of time I was going to lose boost and would most likely require a smaller pulley to bring it back up. I cannot magically wish for Sam to drop everything and provide me with my every need & want for this car, he has a business to run. We got the kit running and viable with the LTHs and wanted to see how much it altered things.

My 400whp, who said I was not at that? No one knows my dyno results but me and one other person at Baker Tuning. I will not post my results until we are able to get back to 8PSI because that is what people want. If we are unable to because the unit is to small and have to go back to a more restrictive stillen header/HFC setup then we will.
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No one knows my dyno results but me and one other person at Baker Tuning. I will not post my results until we are able to get back to 8PSI because that is what people want.
No sir. What the people want is for you to post your results that you have now. Multiple people have requested this of you. I have not seen anyone post here or in the GTM thread saying that we don't want to see your current results. When you say that "that is what the people want", I can only assume that you mean the people that work at GTM don't want you to post your results until it produces numbers that they are happy with.

We all understand this is a work in progress. I've posted 5 sets of dyno results for my car and I report back to the forum users what the changes did, how the car worked and what the problems were. If you read this thread back to July 11 or so I bashed Stillen when I first got my car back for multiple tuning problems. They fixed them, then I posted new results and new driving impressions.

Stop protecting GTM. Just post the data.
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