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Kyle@STILLEN 03-29-2010 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Xan (Post 459338)
To Stillen: I searched the thread but couldn't find it, are you using the V-3 SCi-Trim or the V-3 Si-Trim?

Edit: Reading through the thread I was kind of surprised with some people wanting "speed density" air measurement.
This is less accurate as your not measuring the actual air mass, but using a big lookup table and some sensor inputs to come up with an air mass estimate.

Additionally for the person asking about the MAF before the supercharger and the temperature difference. This doesn't affect the air mass, as the same air mass still flows passed the MAF, just at a lower temperature/higher density. If the MAF can deal with the higher flow, the measurement of the mass of the air is still correct. Where it does affect is that hot air can lead to knocking, however you can tune for this by not using too much ignition advancement. And the use of their air-to-water intercooler also reduces this as much as possible by cooling the air back down before it enters the cylinders.

Sorry for not answering you sooner. I thought I knew which trim we were using but I just wanted to double check and I was right. We're using the SCi-Trim.

Kyle@STILLEN 03-29-2010 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FailsafePerf (Post 471402)
LOL, Kyle, I actually just PM'd this guy the answer to his question; I didn't know if you had publicly released the EMS yet ;)

Thanks for the help! I already see tracking number's in the computer system for those Gen. III's you ordered today! Now call Dean back and order some of these blower's! LOL

Chris@FsP 03-29-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 471420)
Now call Dean back and order some of these blower's! LOL

Working on it, we've got a few people very interested in this kit :stirthepot:

lemansz20 03-29-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 471206)
Really man? There is a video already on here! Be patient, they will come through! Would you rather them develop the kit or take time off their engineers to make it?

If you need to know what the SC sounds like, there are a bunch of videos on youtube of cars with the same exact thing installed.


The kit has been developed, at least the one that really is going to be the most important. Just bc a car has a supercharger of the same brand does not mean it will sound the same. Piping, intakes, all are different and were fabricated for this car, which is why it took so long for stillen to make a great product.

The video is just a sales pitch, no offense kyle and its nice, but I want to hear what this thing really sounds like. Gtm put it up and alot of people did not like the sound, but in the past the sound of this should be exactly what I am hoping..

whiddles 03-29-2010 06:39 PM

Has anyone thought about using cobb for the tuning?

Kyle@STILLEN 03-29-2010 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lemansz20 (Post 471474)
The kit has been developed, at least the one that really is going to be the most important. Just bc a car has a supercharger of the same brand does not mean it will sound the same. Piping, intakes, all are different and were fabricated for this car, which is why it took so long for stillen to make a great product.

The video is just a sales pitch, no offense kyle and its nice, but I want to hear what this thing really sounds like. Gtm put it up and alot of people did not like the sound, but in the past the sound of this should be exactly what I am hoping..

No offense taken. We are not arguing that the video is a sales pitch in our attempt at showing you guys just some of the testing that we put into this kit.

I'm guessing you want an idling video? I will on getting that for you this week. Steve went to Nevada with the car this weekend and plans on going back out again this week to do some more endurance testing. But, I will do my best to get some video for you.

StillenZ 03-29-2010 06:47 PM

If someone can answer the last question, I'm assuming you can answer this one. If you did you Cobb, and planned on don't plan on getting a dyno-tune, would it be just as safe or what? I guess my thinking on this is that Stillen worked with UpRev throughout all of this so it just seems like they would know more about tuning there supercharger. I am totally asking as a newb so anything positive would be appreciated.

Also, with the upgrades that I have, If I'm understanding it right: I will pull info from my ecu and send it to Stillen.... Then they create a "safe" tune for it? Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. Thanks

SeeyaBud86 03-29-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 471558)
No offense taken. We are not arguing that the video is a sales pitch in our attempt at showing you guys just some of the testing that we put into this kit.

I'm guessing you want an idling video? I will on getting that for you this week. Steve went to Nevada with the car this weekend and plans on going back out again this week to do some more endurance testing. But, I will do my best to get some video for you.

Idle plus some revving :tup:

whiddles 03-29-2010 07:12 PM

I talked to chris at cobb and he said the cobb and tune it as well. But no sense in having two AP

Kyle@STILLEN 03-29-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by StillenZ (Post 471564)
If someone can answer the last question, I'm assuming you can answer this one. If you did you Cobb, and planned on don't plan on getting a dyno-tune, would it be just as safe or what? I guess my thinking on this is that Stillen worked with UpRev throughout all of this so it just seems like they would know more about tuning there supercharger. I am totally asking as a newb so anything positive would be appreciated.

Also, with the upgrades that I have, If I'm understanding it right: I will pull info from my ecu and send it to Stillen.... Then they create a "safe" tune for it? Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. Thanks

If someone wants to use a COBB tuner they will more than likely want to purchase our "tuner kit." This is the kit that comes with everything except injectors and a fuel pump. Then they will need to take that setup to an authorized COBB tuner so that they can have their car re-tuned.

DO NOT INSTALL THE SUPERCHARGER WITHOUT HAVING YOUR TUNING SOLUTION READY!!! I can not stress this enough! You can not just install the supercharger and then download your normal, off the shelf UPrev, or COBB tune. Those tunes are optimized for naturally aspirated vehicle's. Their a/f and timing calibration will destroy your motor in no time...You need to have a tune set up specifically for forced induction.

I will elaborate on the tuning as long as I can...I just need to get permission from the guys at UPrev to make sure anything I might say is not proprietary.

whiddles 03-29-2010 07:34 PM

I plan on using uprev tune for awhile then maybe switching to the cobb later down the road if at all. I already had the cobb though.

StillenZ 03-29-2010 07:35 PM

So am I correct on the method of tuning for the S/C set up then? I send you info from my ecu and you tune it based on that info and my mods and everything to create a "safe" tune?

Kyle@STILLEN 03-29-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by StillenZ (Post 471624)
So am I correct on the method of tuning for the S/C set up then? I send you info from my ecu and you tune it based on that info and my mods and everything to create a "safe" tune?

To start with, the only thing that we will be tuning for is the supercharger and a cat-back exhaust. We won't be tuning for high flow cats or headers right away but it will be pretty soon on the list...especially with some of the exciting projects we have coming in the next couple of months.

You will basically download your tune, email it to us, we will make the necessary modifications, and email it back to you. However, this process will change after we get a database of ECU rom's on file. Once we have a database of tune's done you won't have to do any emailing back and forth or anything like that. Just a simple plug in, download, and drive.

whiddles 03-29-2010 08:44 PM

so we will get an access port deal with the kit? you have any pics of that?

lemansz20 03-29-2010 09:08 PM

Kyle idling and revving would be perfect, would love to hear how the car is running? I bet pretty smooth will all the last little bits done, thats gotta be a sigh of relief that all your hard work and time is running nice and smooth. Their is nothing like a clean install man, just turning on a car and going with a new part lol, what a feeling!

jtown82 03-30-2010 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by xiven (Post 441976)
Yeah I would want to go the sleeper route. Looks more original like its suppose to be on the car. Looking at the 2 engine bays side by side, you can't even tell its the same engine anymore. I'm sure its awesome though, just not for me.

not sure you understand what a sleeper is? its a car that was never intended for performance :P ie a civic, or a suv, or old truck that has a 7.2 super duty in it whats a twin screw S/C lol. a 370 never can be a sleeper ;)

SeeyaBud86 03-30-2010 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jtown82 (Post 472282)
not sure you understand what a sleeper is? its a car that was never intended for performance :P ie a civic, or a suv, or old truck that has a 7.2 super duty in it whats a twin screw S/C lol. a 370 never can be a sleeper ;)

I think what he means is that he wants to keep his Z looking as close to bone stock as possible, so when people see him on the street they think, "Oh thats just a stock Z," then they get suprised.

My theory just keep it looking stock, unless your at a meet and you have to open the hood, no one on the street will know that your car is modded. Except for maybe exhaust.

RCZ 03-30-2010 08:10 AM

Kyle, I know you mentioned that the CARB kit tune would not be modifiable by law. You also mentioned that the first maps coming from you for the S/C are not optimized for HFC's. So I just need to clarify; will the Race kit tune be modifiable? I'm expecting the answer to be yes, but I just want to make sure I don't need to go with the tuner kit instead.

blackflag 03-30-2010 05:31 PM

I'm confused now. Sorry if I missed it, but what is Stillen's solution for the calibration? They have one done that they flash into your ECU?

LiquidZ 03-30-2010 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackflag (Post 473349)
I'm confused now. Sorry if I missed it, but what is Stillen's solution for the calibration? They have one done that they flash into your ECU?

Its UpRev

blackflag 03-30-2010 08:22 PM

And just what does that mean??

theDreamer 03-30-2010 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackflag (Post 473650)
And just what does that mean??

They are a tuning company: UpRev - Engine Management

blackflag 03-30-2010 09:31 PM

Yeah, I got that. So what's the calibration solution?


You're not saying Stillen expects you to go to this place and have them calibrate your car for you, are you?

theDreamer 03-30-2010 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackflag (Post 473761)
Yeah, I got that. So what's the calibration solution?


You're not saying Stillen expects you to go to this place and have them calibrate your car for you, are you?

No, Stillen will ship with the SC the ability to flash your ECU with a standard ROM. The saying plug-n-play comes into effect here, basically designed so after the parts are installed you upload the tune and are ready to go.

blackflag 03-30-2010 09:47 PM

Got it. So how do you upload it?

whiddles 03-30-2010 09:54 PM

they didn't state which uprev unit yet though

theDreamer 03-30-2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blackflag (Post 473804)
Got it. So how do you upload it?

All tuning is usually uploaded through the OBD port.

RCZ 03-31-2010 08:09 AM

Probably Osiris....all you do is get the map over e-mail and then upload it to the car through the OBD port from a laptop. 10-15 mins later you're ready to roll with your SC tune.

blackflag 03-31-2010 11:41 AM

What I'm asking is... does it come with a tuning device to upload it? Are you supposed to buy one from uprev? Supposed to send your ecu to uprev? What?

whiddles 03-31-2010 11:57 AM

stillen will be sending out the cords for the obd port which connects car to usb and then email us the software/ license so we can start data logging

Josh@STILLEN 03-31-2010 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by whiddles (Post 474552)
stillen will be sending out the cords for the obd port which connects car to usb and then email us the software/ license so we can start data logging

Not data logging, actually just confirming we have your ECU's calibration in our system, if not, the software will copy off the ECU ROM, and you can email to us, so we can ensure the calibration is ready to go as we're shipping the supercharger, and can email you the appropriate tune.

Just ensures you're not left waiting with the supercharger installed if your ECU calibration is one that hasn't been seen before.

whiddles 03-31-2010 01:02 PM

if i have an ecu rom that i get off my car via cobb and i still send that to you?

Chris_1 03-31-2010 01:16 PM

We just sponsored the forum, but I must say WOW, you guys did a great job on that kit. We are going to be building a roadster, and we may have to talk as it will be our show/track car(we know we know, its a roadster and not the best for track, but definately will be fun on the track).

96bigbody 03-31-2010 05:32 PM

Have any pics of inside the intake manifold with the intercooler in? Just curious what it looks like.

Kyle@STILLEN 03-31-2010 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 96bigbody (Post 475125)
Have any pics of inside the intake manifold with the intercooler in? Just curious what it looks like.

I remember taking pictures like this but I don't think they came out very good...Let me see if I can find them.

daleks 04-01-2010 06:51 PM

Will this fit with a Nismo 370Z? The front fascia is different and there are different cross braces in the engine compartment.

Kyle@STILLEN 04-01-2010 07:25 PM

We have not tested on the Nismo yet but we definitely intend to.

CinZinnati 04-01-2010 09:11 PM

so...I'm still a bit confused with this tuning thing. The tuning is only for SC and CBE...does having HFC's screw this up or is this just ignored and doesn't effect the tune as it comes from stillen/uprev?

Kyle@STILLEN 04-02-2010 12:00 PM

We do plan on tuning for HFC's but right now we are recommending not to install the HFC's with the supercharger. There will be a tune for it though.

Cat back exhaust isn't going to change the tune much, if at all.

de_dust 04-02-2010 12:56 PM

hi kyle - can you please give me more information and show me what the heat exchanger/inter cooler radiator of the stillen kit looks like and how it looks installed if possible? thank you.


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