That sentence really bothers me as this can't be further from the truth. No canned tune can be 100% safe, especially when force inducting a car that is normally aspirated from the factory. Even a custom tune for the car will never be 100% safe.

No offense, but any vendor who will say that their tune is 100% safe is basically lying.

Obviously it's only safe as any tune can be safe... Even the OEM tune can cause problems.

I don't think it's worth to have a full discussion on this, but when done with safety in mind, done correctly (correct install and within the limits of what the engine components can handle) and you look at how you can compensate for items that could damage the engine, a supercharger setup like this is a pretty safe bet.

You might not want to take my word for it and I'm not saying you should, feel free to disagree.
But maybe my statements have some more credibility if I told you that I have worked at Jaguar (uk), where my team was responsible for the calibration of the V8 engines, this included the NA and SC engines. So I've spend my fair share tuning engines for performance, safety, mpg and emission. And I know what it takes to break an engine and how to ensure they are reliable...

My reply, which I thought was clear, was in regard to Kyle's statement that the Stillen tune was 100% safe. It seems you have some experience in tuning, certainly much more than I as I profess to have none, and you must agree that Kyle's statement is not factual?

We are talking about a CARB legal tune here also.
This is not top PSI running unknown parts, many people will be running stock cats or HFC to keep legal which can easily be calculated for, same with exhaust. This tune will be very simple, designed for someone to DIY install this kit and plug-n-play a tune. It will not be the top performance tune, but it will what can legally be done for CARB approval.

How long is this Intro pricing going to last? I return from deployment on the 2nd of April, and i have no way of buying until then. If this sale is gone in a week, im going to flip out.

You have it a little backwards actually. Most canned tunes are extremely conservative while custom tunes are running closer to the edge and are more sensitive to temperature and altitude.

But yes, nothing is 100% safe when it comes to modding.

i think your going to flip out...i would contact and just put down the deposit...and just make sure that you are on the list

That is probably why Stillen hasn't released info/dyno's on the two other kits yet. They are probably testing them to get a "safe" tune as we speak. I don't know much about tuning, but I wouldn't go as far to say that it won't be safe. It comes with an engine warranty as long as its not custom tuned...We know the s/c (CARB legal) can handle heavy stress on the track for an afternoon or however long they tested it for. I want to know what its going to be like for everyday driving as my Z is my daily driver. I'm sure it will be ok, as Stillen has been working on this kit for a year(as they've said), and they will make sure its a reliable product. That said, we just have to have a bit more patience and see what comes.

Also, they said that they will have magazines do reviews on the kit. So there will be an unbiased analysis.

Not true at all. Custom tunes, if done properly, are designed for the actual car and the actual conditions it is being run under. No canned tune, no matter how conservative, can come close to the safety factor of a solid custom tune. I don't know what tuners you use, but any that would put you on the ragged edge with a custom tune without being asked to do so is no tuner I want to have touch my car.

Does the Stillen SC require us to remove and not re-install the cross-bracing?
Kevin

The supercharger fits under the FSTB, according to Stillen.

If anyone actually thought that I meant you can install the supercharger and drive 100% safely for 500,000 miles I apologize. I guess I was too generic. Obviously there are other factors that come in to play that are out of our hands as well as out of the hands of the owner of the car.

If the supercharger is installed correctly and you always use 91 (or higher) octane fuel. And you do regular oil changes and maintenance. Then you will have a reliable vehicle. We have numerous customers with hundreds of thousands of miles on our previous supercharger systems who have never had any issues.

That is correct- The supercharger does fit under the front strut tower brace.

Ive had canned tunes on my last 2 turbo cars with various mods and never had any problems with the engine or anything other than a blown diverter valve which when it blows you buy an aftermarket one thats meant to hold the boost anyway.

I am a firm promoter of custom tuning. Each car is different and has its own set of quirks, therefore it should be tuned specifically for those differences. That is only true to a certain extent though because shelf-tunes (non-custom) have been getting better and better over time due to the adjustability of the software and increased consistency from one car to the next. You may be able to squeeze a few more horses out of the tune by going custom, but that will almost surely also mean that you are pushing the tune a bit more and making it less safe.

Stillen (or any tuner for that matter) can't have cars blowing up everywhere so I'm sure they are leaving a good margin of safety that they feel comfortable with. Specially with the tunes that are warrantied. People should not be worried about the safety of their engine unless they are modifying the kit or the tune or have a setup that is not suitable to running the SC.

Although I could very easily custom tune the car after I get the kit from Stillen, I am not going to do it. I think their tune is going to come at least 95% of the way there and that is acceptable to me when considering how much of a safety net I need in this climate.

:iagree:True that and if canned tunes werent any good, isnt that kinda what they do to the ECU to begin with? I mean they dont sit there an tune every car individually coming from the factory. But they should, damn them.

Please elaborate. Were these OEM turbo cars or OEM N/A cars with aftermarket turbo kits? Being that you mention diverter valves and replacing them with non-OEM, I am going to wager the former? If so, then this is an apples to oranges comparison.

With that logic, you should go into tuning! :) You certainly understand it enough to make the pros jealous.

Saying your tune is 100% safe isn't generic...it's pretty darned specific. And, again, I say this is an outright untruth.

I am leaving this thread now. I am sure a lot of :nutswinger:s will be grateful. It seems that no matter the level of fact presented, most will always believe the hype that vendors toss at them. My parting advice is for everyone to research thoroughly your options or you will eventually regret going F/I.

:bs:

common... its a forum, give the guy a break...all he is trying to do is get answers for his questions (which are somewhat valid) and try to get his message across to not take in every word the mfg claims to be the truth and(or) final... especially for those hypebeasts who drool all over em (or whoever listens to the hyping of those hypebeasts)... although i agree with some of you that storm doesnt really know when to stop and even steeps lower when talking to a wall... anyways back on topic guys...

Kyle is there a way to extend ur intro pricing way past tax season? :tup:

by definition Jeremy, every car comes from the factory with a canned tune. It is safe, but leaves some on the table, which is why we do aftermarket tunes. There is no reason why a canned supercharger tune can't be just as safe, although it too will leave a little on the table.

Mike, I understand what you are saying. But, as I stated above, when speaking of an OEM 'canned' tune on a production vehicle calibrated by the manufacturer, this is not an apples to oranges comparison to a canned tune for an aftermarket forced induction kit developed for an N/A motor. To make this even a remotely close comparison, aftermarket F/I application developers would have to put in the same amount of R&D in their calibrations that Nissan has put into creating the ECUs for our cars. And even if that were the case, which it is absolutely not, it would still be an unfair comparison as the car was released OEM normally aspirated.

And I think people are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that a canned tune is necessarily bad. I am saying that it is not as safe as a custom tune and that stating that a canned tune is 100% safe is an utter myth.

One other thing I have been contemplating. The safety and reliability of any tune depends on the competency and skill of the calibrator. Personally, I don't even know the name of the individual responsible for the tune going out with these kits. Who are they? What are their credentials? None of these questions are ever asked. No one ever asks this of GReddy or HKS or Vortech, etc., either. From experience, I think we should start asking simple questions such as these of all vendors.

Where are the videos, its been REALLY long, we NEED not want to hear the sounds and compare. The gtm was too quiet, I am hoping this sounds like I actually bought something for my car haha.

There are calibrations done at the companies (OEM) and everything else (sketchy). That's just how it is.

Videoooossss!!!

reading these last few posts just reminds me why I sometimes defer from even reading forums...too many a$$hats with too many opinions.

I'm sure Kyle and Josh love seeing your ignorance and childish crap posted in their thread...I know I certainly don't. It's annoying when I have to filter through your garbage to find something relavent to the reason why I subscribed to the thread.

Stick to topic...this post is about Stillen's SC.

V i d e o s

As much as I want videos too, I think the most interesting thing we could hope for right now is.... "what numbers did the non-carb kits make?"

FI is not rocket science fellas.

It ain't easy, either. If it was, those cases of blown engines w/ FI kits for the 350Z/G35 would never have happened.

A little off topic, but for those of you who subscribe to this thread I wanted you to know there is a poll out...

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ou-buying.html

+1
As I stated before, I would love just some sort of time frame on a release...doesn't have to be specific. Icing on the cake would be some idea about numbers...HP and $. While I personally don't have the funds quite yet, I would like to know more about the other kits so as to plan on which is best for me, and whether or not I can even afford one of the others

mid to late april release

that would be sweet...do you know something or just guessing? :confused:

^says on the first page

VIDEOSSSSS KYLE!!!!!!! Its been a very long time, honestly I want your kit, but the fact that its actually taking so long to hear this thing, its just drawing my attention elsewhere.

Really man? There is a video already on here! Be patient, they will come through! Would you rather them develop the kit or take time off their engineers to make it?

If you need to know what the SC sounds like, there are a bunch of videos on youtube of cars with the same exact thing installed.

this may be a real stupid question so don't flame me too bad.
but the ecu tune, is that similar to up-rev ?

Sorry, we've been extremely busy over here lately. This supercharger is only one of our many irons in the fire.

What kind of video's? I assume an idling video since we have already posted a video of our testing.

VERY similar actually...It IS UPrev...LOL

LOL, Kyle, I actually just PM'd this guy the answer to his question; I didn't know if you had publicly released the EMS yet ;)