Originally Posted by FailsafePerf (Post 450869)

Too bad the OEM 370Z ecu doesn't use a speed density-based system, and we could ditch the MAF all together :)

Originally Posted by FailsafePerf (Post 450877)

The JWT TT kit for the 350Z utilizes a draw-through maf design as well. It may not be ideal, but it has seemed to work out fine for JWT.

Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 450863)

It's not about discrediting the design or finding flaw. It's about addressing what are obvious (to me) fundamental design issues. These issues can lead to problems for the buyers. If Stillen can give solid technical reasoning as to why they are going against MAF tuning 101, then I will be satiated and happy to have learned something in the process. I am not a tuner, nor do I purport to be. But, I am educated as I have been spending my hard-earned money on modifying cars for years. Granted, others may not quite understand what I am asking, but if there is a technical issue with the safety/longevity of the kit, then most will walk away understanding this if Stillen cannot readily explain it away.

Again, as I have said in multiple posts, I am trying to help the community by making sure that vendors are honest about the wares they are hawking. If this kit is measuring air temperatures pre-compressor of 60 degrees F and the temp being blown into the intake is post-compressor and 200 degrees F (just an exaggerated example), the ECU is receiving the 60 degree temps and compensating for this instead of 200. Can't you see the issue and the danger? Wouldn't you want to know this about a kit you were going to spend 6k on and put on a 40k car?

And, once more, just for clarification. If Stillen can answer these questions with solid technical answers that are legitimate in nature, I will certainly understand and be happy to have furthered my knowledge.

Originally Posted by Zultimate (Post 451346)

I haven't read through this entire thread but wondering what the cost is on this Supercharger upgrade. If anyone has a ballpark total figure, including clutch upgrade and whatever else is necessary that would be cool. Just trying to get a wish list together.

Originally Posted by FailsafePerf (Post 451532)

All of you Midwest guys, we're going to be running some great package deals on this kit + installation once it hits the market in the coming weeks, just so ya know :tup:

Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 451621)

So if someone theoretically drove down from Chicago...how long would said someone have to wait in Tulsa, OK until they could drive back with said supercharger kit installed? :)

Originally Posted by FailsafePerf (Post 451532)

All of you Midwest guys, we're going to be running some great package deals on this kit + installation once it hits the market in the coming weeks, just so ya know :tup:

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 452695)

Hey, having never owned a supercharged car before, I'm curious. How much parasitic drag does the SC hardware put on the revving speed of the motor? In other words, does it have a noticeable negative impact on the speed of the revs or not really?

Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 451621)

So if someone theoretically drove down from Chicago...how long would said someone have to wait in Tulsa, OK until they could drive back with said supercharger kit installed? :)

Originally Posted by tsui_san (Post 452747)

If you're worried about rev speed, you could change your diff gearing with these: Central 20 3.9 Gears

Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 451621)

So if someone theoretically drove down from Chicago...how long would said someone have to wait in Tulsa, OK until they could drive back with said supercharger kit installed? :)

Originally Posted by kannibul (Post 452827)

lol - I'm in Tulsa...well, damn near - I should get a discount.

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 452695)

Hey, having never owned a supercharged car before, I'm curious. How much parasitic drag does the SC hardware put on the revving speed of the motor? In other words, does it have a noticeable negative impact on the speed of the revs or not really?

Originally Posted by FailsafePerf (Post 452878)

I've driven a 350Z with a Vortech blower, and didn't notice any difference in 'rev-a-bility' ™. Of course the one I drove had an aftermarket clutch/fly, so...

Originally Posted by FailsafePerf (Post 451646)

PM'd, I don't wanna derail this thread any more than I already have :icon17:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 453164)

So you want to see a picture of a Z with our fascia on it? LOL!

No, not yet. We're actually doing all of our testing with a stock fascia that we picked up from our good friends over at the Nissan proving grounds in Arizona. We wanted to do all of our durability testing with the stock fascia so that we could make sure airflow was sufficient for all cars, not just people with our fascia.

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 453232)

Hey kyle, i posted a question about the fascia in the thread you guys started in the exterior section, is it in production yet? and has pricing been released? I need one ASAP.

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 452695)

Hey, having never owned a supercharged car before, I'm curious. How much parasitic drag does the SC hardware put on the revving speed of the motor? In other words, does it have a noticeable negative impact on the speed of the revs or not really?

Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 453360)

Kyle - not to sound like a broken record, but any videos or sound clips of the blower at idle?

Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 453389)

You won't notice an impact on the quickness of revving through the power band. What you will notice is that the RPMs jump from mid-range to redline VERY quickly. Lower down in the RPM range, you won't experience lag, but you will feel a very slight 'bog'. At least, this was my experience with the Vortech blower. With the roots type blowers, I notice zero lag and no real difference in RPM building even up top.

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 453881)

Not yet. We're trying to stay out of the way of the engineer's. I should be able to take an idle video in the next week or two.

Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 454286)

Easy to make a roots blower drop off high also - just push it beyond its efficiency range. I pushed the old M112 to its limits and beyond years ago before swapping to a Kenne Bell.

Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 454309)

Thanks, sir. Though, I'm sure you've been able to hear it. Does the V3 still have the rattle that the other Vortech blowers had? Not that this is a bad thing, I used to actually find the 'rocks in a blender' sound endearing. Others, not so much.

Originally Posted by Mike (Post 454343)

I had a V2 on my corvette and it was near silent at idle.

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 454435)

So don't bother answering any of my questions.