STILLEN 370Z Supercharger System - Announcement!!!

RCZ · 05-26-2010, 11:52 PM

I got one, I'll let you guys know how it goes.

shumby · 05-27-2010, 07:55 AM

good thing you are keeping this on topic RCZ

CBRich · 05-27-2010, 08:06 AM

Are my thread titles jacked up? LOL. Maybe you guys could just continue this in the bumper thread?

RCZ · 05-27-2010, 09:20 AM

Yup. Shumby is right. Shumby I hope you know it makes me laugh now whenever you post something about me or what I'm doing. Let's see...You literally write to me or about me more than anyone else on here and its always an attempt at being mean. You don't have a crush on me do you?? I mean man, I know you don't get any girls out there, but damn.

shumby · 05-27-2010, 09:30 AM

^^^ you found me out. I have a man crush on you.

RCZ · 05-27-2010, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shumby

^^^ you found me out. I have a man crush on you.

does this turn you on?

Anyway, you're completely right. This thread has been derailed enough.

JB-370z · 05-27-2010, 10:27 AM

Kyle@STILLEN · 05-27-2010, 01:28 PM

Hey Guys,

There are actually a couple of things coming into play here.

#1) Mike received a very early fascia (actually Mike's fascia shipped before we even finished ours) because his car was in the body shop and he needed one ASAP. Unfortunately, we found the same thing on our car that we will be changing after we already shipped Mike's fascia out. The main cause of the bubble is actually the mounting points. We developed our fascia using a factory fascia, which also means that we use the factory fascia mounting points. We saw on our car that the mounting flange underneath the headlight does not extend all the way to the end of the headlight. So we end the flange right at the end of the factory flange. We are in the process of fixing the mold right now to add an extra support flange in that area to prevent the part from flexing in that area. Basically there was not enough support in that particular section of the part.

#2) We are also going to analyze our urethane and verify its rigidity. We are concerned that our latest batch of urethane from a relatively new vendor may be too "soft" and is having issues with holding its original shape. We are going to have it sent out for testing and will know soon. Either way, we have notified our suppliers and we will be working to correct this immediately.

In the mean time, no 370Z fascias will ship until this issue has been resolved. The 370Z fascia is the only that we have seen this happen with so we are halting production on these fascias until we can resolve these imperfections.

Major manufacturer's like Nissan, Toyota, and everyone else who utilize "urethane" body components use a material that is substantially harder than our urethane. For example, if you were to drop a factory fascia and our fascia from the same height, chances are that the factory fascia would crack whereas the STILLEN fascia would bend. With that being said, there is a fine line between too soft and too hard.

The bubble or warp in the material is in no way a result of outside temperature. Keep in mind that when the poly-urethane material is injected into the mold it is around 120 degrees. The chemical reaction between the two chemicals skyrockets that temperature to well over 200 degrees. When these parts cure, they are curing at over 200 degrees! It would take a lot more than outside air temperatures to have a significant effect on the material.

I will notify everyone when the molds have been finished and of course will follow up with our results after testing.

Kyle@STILLEN · 05-27-2010, 01:31 PM

On to the supercharger kit:

Everything is going extremely well although we are still waiting for people to send in their ROM's!!! The sooner we get these ROM's in the sooner we can ship kits people!!!

Remember- If you have not sent us your ROM we will not ship you your kit! We need to make sure that we have your tune on file and ready to install in your car before we ship you the kit!!!

P.S.- Sorry Josh and I haven't been on the forum much over the past few days. I've been working on a few projects including 370Z brake cooling, and many others, as well as trying to write the owner's manual for the supercharger. Josh has been buried in a lot of other projects as well including organizing some exciting magazine tests and working on updating some online stuff.

ChrisSlicks · 05-27-2010, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN

P.S.- Sorry Josh and I haven't been on the forum much over the past few days. I've been working on a few projects including 370Z brake cooling, and many others, as well as trying to write the owner's manual for the supercharger. Josh has been buried in a lot of other projects as well including organizing some exciting magazine tests and working on updating some online stuff.

Yay brake cooling!

Power from the Z seems to vary with the weather more than I remember before. Some days it is rather anemic. I could be in the market for added power pretty soon.

stormcrow · 05-27-2010, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN

Hey Guys,

There are actually a couple of things coming into play here.

#1) Mike received a very early fascia (actually Mike's fascia shipped before we even finished ours) because his car was in the body shop and he needed one ASAP. Unfortunately, we found the same thing on our car that we will be changing after we already shipped Mike's fascia out. The main cause of the bubble is actually the mounting points. We developed our fascia using a factory fascia, which also means that we use the factory fascia mounting points. We saw on our car that the mounting flange underneath the headlight does not extend all the way to the end of the headlight. So we end the flange right at the end of the factory flange. We are in the process of fixing the mold right now to add an extra support flange in that area to prevent the part from flexing in that area. Basically there was not enough support in that particular section of the part.

#2) We are also going to analyze our urethane and verify its rigidity. We are concerned that our latest batch of urethane from a relatively new vendor may be too "soft" and is having issues with holding its original shape. We are going to have it sent out for testing and will know soon. Either way, we have notified our suppliers and we will be working to correct this immediately.

In the mean time, no 370Z fascias will ship until this issue has been resolved. The 370Z fascia is the only that we have seen this happen with so we are halting production on these fascias until we can resolve these imperfections.

Major manufacturer's like Nissan, Toyota, and everyone else who utilize "urethane" body components use a material that is substantially harder than our urethane. For example, if you were to drop a factory fascia and our fascia from the same height, chances are that the factory fascia would crack whereas the STILLEN fascia would bend. With that being said, there is a fine line between too soft and too hard.

The bubble or warp in the material is in no way a result of outside temperature. Keep in mind that when the poly-urethane material is injected into the mold it is around 120 degrees. The chemical reaction between the two chemicals skyrockets that temperature to well over 200 degrees. When these parts cure, they are curing at over 200 degrees! It would take a lot more than outside air temperatures to have a significant effect on the material.

I will notify everyone when the molds have been finished and of course will follow up with our results after testing.

Thanks for the response. But, I have to call shenanigans to the emboldened above. My 350Z Stillen front bumper did the VERY SAME thing as what is pictured in the snapshots of Mike's car. And it seems that Supra guys had the same issue with Stillen bumpers as far back as 2003. Are you saying that the individuals who documented their experience in the past, as well as myself, noting that the issue ABSOLUTELY happened when the Stillen front bumpers were in contact with direct sunlight and warmer temperatures, are all lying? Or was it just that we all had the luxury of having improper mounting points and possible bad urethane from a new vendor but not the luxury of improvement?

It seems you guys deny history and customer experience to save face. Why not just say "Hey, we used an inferior urethane and we are going to make it right" instead of trying to misdirect the community?

stormcrow · 05-31-2010, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormcrow

Thanks for the response. But, I have to call shenanigans to the emboldened above. My 350Z Stillen front bumper did the VERY SAME thing as what is pictured in the snapshots of Mike's car. And it seems that Supra guys had the same issue with Stillen bumpers as far back as 2003. Are you saying that the individuals who documented their experience in the past, as well as myself, noting that the issue ABSOLUTELY happened when the Stillen front bumpers were in contact with direct sunlight and warmer temperatures, are all lying? Or was it just that we all had the luxury of having improper mounting points and possible bad urethane from a new vendor but not the luxury of improvement?

It seems you guys deny history and customer experience to save face. Why not just say "Hey, we used an inferior urethane and we are going to make it right" instead of trying to misdirect the community?

Kyle - still awaiting a response to this. Any reason it has been overlooked outside of the obvious?

MMC Racing · 06-01-2010, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormcrow

Kyle - still awaiting a response to this. Any reason it has been overlooked outside of the obvious?

Kyle might have gotten confused since this appeared to be a thread about superchargers. I'm sure he'll realize now that it is not and get right to your question.

jmlenz · 05-29-2010, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN

Hey Guys,

There are actually a couple of things coming into play here.

#1) Mike received a very early fascia (actually Mike's fascia shipped before we even finished ours) because his car was in the body shop and he needed one ASAP. Unfortunately, we found the same thing on our car that we will be changing after we already shipped Mike's fascia out. The main cause of the bubble is actually the mounting points. We developed our fascia using a factory fascia, which also means that we use the factory fascia mounting points. We saw on our car that the mounting flange underneath the headlight does not extend all the way to the end of the headlight. So we end the flange right at the end of the factory flange. We are in the process of fixing the mold right now to add an extra support flange in that area to prevent the part from flexing in that area. Basically there was not enough support in that particular section of the part.

#2) We are also going to analyze our urethane and verify its rigidity. We are concerned that our latest batch of urethane from a relatively new vendor may be too "soft" and is having issues with holding its original shape. We are going to have it sent out for testing and will know soon. Either way, we have notified our suppliers and we will be working to correct this immediately.

In the mean time, no 370Z fascias will ship until this issue has been resolved. The 370Z fascia is the only that we have seen this happen with so we are halting production on these fascias until we can resolve these imperfections.

Major manufacturer's like Nissan, Toyota, and everyone else who utilize "urethane" body components use a material that is substantially harder than our urethane. For example, if you were to drop a factory fascia and our fascia from the same height, chances are that the factory fascia would crack whereas the STILLEN fascia would bend. With that being said, there is a fine line between too soft and too hard.

The bubble or warp in the material is in no way a result of outside temperature. Keep in mind that when the poly-urethane material is injected into the mold it is around 120 degrees. The chemical reaction between the two chemicals skyrockets that temperature to well over 200 degrees. When these parts cure, they are curing at over 200 degrees! It would take a lot more than outside air temperatures to have a significant effect on the material.

I will notify everyone when the molds have been finished and of course will follow up with our results after testing.

Not to derail this thread any further, but...Awesome news Kyle! This is the response I would expect from a reputable vendor that realized there was a defect with their product. Your back in the running for my business when you get this issue squared away.

shumby · 05-27-2010, 01:22 PM

lol RCZ is flirting with me

05-27-2010, 07:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 46 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 238	good thing you are keeping this on topic RCZ __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

05-27-2010, 09:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1120	Yup. Shumby is right. Shumby I hope you know it makes me laugh now whenever you post something about me or what I'm doing. Let's see...You literally write to me or about me more than anyone else on here and its always an attempt at being mean. You don't have a crush on me do you?? I mean man, I know you don't get any girls out there, but damn. Last edited by RCZ; 05-27-2010 at 09:24 AM.

05-27-2010, 09:30 AM	#5 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 46 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 238	^^^ you found me out. I have a man crush on you. __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

05-27-2010, 10:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
JB-370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 1,859 Drives: Stage 2 Twin Turbos Rep Power: 21	__________________ ll Baker Tuning ll GTM ll Powerhouse Amuse ll HKS ll Up-Rev ll iForged ll AP Racing ll Pioneer ll SPL ll Bride ll Top Secret ll OS Giken ll GTM Stage 2 Twin Turboed 370z (First in Texas, Thanks To Baker Tuning)

05-27-2010, 01:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kyle@STILLEN The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 626 Drives: Toyota Tundra Rep Power: 308	On to the supercharger kit: Everything is going extremely well although we are still waiting for people to send in their ROM's!!! The sooner we get these ROM's in the sooner we can ship kits people!!! Remember- If you have not sent us your ROM we will not ship you your kit! We need to make sure that we have your tune on file and ready to install in your car before we ship you the kit!!! P.S.- Sorry Josh and I haven't been on the forum much over the past few days. I've been working on a few projects including 370Z brake cooling, and many others, as well as trying to write the owner's manual for the supercharger. Josh has been buried in a lot of other projects as well including organizing some exciting magazine tests and working on updating some online stuff. Last edited by Kyle@STILLEN; 05-27-2010 at 01:33 PM.

05-26-2010, 11:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1120	I got one, I'll let you guys know how it goes.

05-27-2010, 08:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 546	Are my thread titles jacked up? LOL. Maybe you guys could just continue this in the bumper thread?

05-27-2010, 01:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kyle@STILLEN The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 626 Drives: Toyota Tundra Rep Power: 308	Hey Guys, There are actually a couple of things coming into play here. #1) Mike received a very early fascia (actually Mike's fascia shipped before we even finished ours) because his car was in the body shop and he needed one ASAP. Unfortunately, we found the same thing on our car that we will be changing after we already shipped Mike's fascia out. The main cause of the bubble is actually the mounting points. We developed our fascia using a factory fascia, which also means that we use the factory fascia mounting points. We saw on our car that the mounting flange underneath the headlight does not extend all the way to the end of the headlight. So we end the flange right at the end of the factory flange. We are in the process of fixing the mold right now to add an extra support flange in that area to prevent the part from flexing in that area. Basically there was not enough support in that particular section of the part. #2) We are also going to analyze our urethane and verify its rigidity. We are concerned that our latest batch of urethane from a relatively new vendor may be too "soft" and is having issues with holding its original shape. We are going to have it sent out for testing and will know soon. Either way, we have notified our suppliers and we will be working to correct this immediately. In the mean time, no 370Z fascias will ship until this issue has been resolved. The 370Z fascia is the only that we have seen this happen with so we are halting production on these fascias until we can resolve these imperfections. Major manufacturer's like Nissan, Toyota, and everyone else who utilize "urethane" body components use a material that is substantially harder than our urethane. For example, if you were to drop a factory fascia and our fascia from the same height, chances are that the factory fascia would crack whereas the STILLEN fascia would bend. With that being said, there is a fine line between too soft and too hard. The bubble or warp in the material is in no way a result of outside temperature. Keep in mind that when the poly-urethane material is injected into the mold it is around 120 degrees. The chemical reaction between the two chemicals skyrockets that temperature to well over 200 degrees. When these parts cure, they are curing at over 200 degrees! It would take a lot more than outside air temperatures to have a significant effect on the material. I will notify everyone when the molds have been finished and of course will follow up with our results after testing.

05-27-2010, 01:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 46 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 238	lol RCZ is flirting with me __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

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