Not to say I told you so...but.


My STI was down because it was a completely custom rotated big turbo setup. It was all experimental, however, the point of my comment was that my patience was eventually rewarded.

With regards to the dyno's. I made 310whp on the mustang when it was cold outside. I made 295 on the same dyno when the weather warmed up. This was on full bolton's + tune. Now with the weather significantly hotter than either of those pulls, my SC made 380ish on that dyno. I have NO doubt I can do a 400whp run in cooler weather and a less heatsoaked car.

In other words, I wanted to chime in about the gains over full boltons and tune. I think that in comparable conditions, my car has gained about 80-100whp on a mustang dyno. Thats 100whp over bolt-on's power and 140-160whp over stock. (I baselined 240whp).

How does that translate into the more common dynojet? Well I never did a baseline on a dynojet... but the accepted average baseline number is ~275whp for a stock 370z. I dynoed in at 455whp on my SC'd dyno pull that I did a few weeks ago. DO the Math thats 180whp over stock assuming a 275whp baseline.

Now, make what you will of those results. I tend to trust Mustang Dynos much more than I trust dynojets. Either way, I will GLADLY take either one of those gains. It's not all that surprising that my tune yields what it does. Its a custom tune + headers + HFC + exhaust. I have a light flywheel and lightened pulley. Oh and 93 Octane gas vs. that crap they have out in california. Everything adds up.

^^ This was the info i was looking for! thanks RCZ :tup:

they better have the tune right after saying that. If its not right they have lost some customers for sure.

I look at my Dyon sheet compared to RCZ and I am only 13HP away from his numbers and I don't have all the things done to my car that he does. Also I am running very rich so that is tq and hp lost. I think once stillen gets the tune right I will be very happy. But as things are right now I still have more tq than stillen put out in the original Dyno. Oh also most people who got their SC installed don't have a Dyno sheet to post so when you say the lowest does that mean out of me and RCZ because I will always bow down to RCZ. He has Miami drug king pin kind of money!

here is my sad and sorry original dyno sheets
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/scan0002.jpg
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/scan0001.jpg

over all the car feels much better than stock.
Also I had to drive it threw some real bad rain. there was a turn where i had water all the way over my hood.
Drove it threw a pressure car wash also just FYI
I have not gotten my new dyno sheets from uprev where the car put down 410 and 300 something for the torque

Here are my Dyno Posts just Sh*t and Giggles for more comparison. The car was at it 14+ dyno pulls so heat soak or saturation was no joke and ambient was 98+ so low air mass density. I bet when we dyno in 90 or less the first couple of pulls will make good numbers. The car really pulls hard now that the air was 85 degrees. I am really happy with Failsafes tune and the car really goes good.

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9+ psi? What pulley do you have?

we need this pulley asap

Yeah, the car was heat soaked really bad by that point, and the dyno shops fan system leaves much to be desired :icon17:

heres my dyno, philmosis, weiboy, stillens and whiddles

Lack there of and kept shutting down. Next month for some new pulls

Torque is way off
 

I just noticed looking at everyone's dyno charts that those that posted before runs and/or if compared to other's stock pulls, that Stillens dyno results show an increase in torque almost twice as much as those that have the kits. I wonder why that is?

Even those with custom tunes are not realizing as much gain in the torque numbers. :confused:

LOL this was the stock pully that came with it. I have not changed it. Stillen was thinking its caused by my MXP exhaust is more restrictive than the stock exhaust. I really dont think so but im by no means a expert

hope you guys get it all worked out.

This is what I've been saying all along. At throttle tip in, your torque actually drops. That's where it's plummeting from 15 to 9:1 a/f ratio. On my car, it wasn't until 3,000 rpm when the supercharged engine was equal to the N/A engine in power output. That goes along with where the A/F ratio starts to get into the right range.

They have a new tune now that should improve the A/F ratio, as well as them having UpRev at their facility this week for more fine tuning.

I got an email from Kyle where he said (in summary) that they had some bits of data that they weren't able to override because they couldn't figure out where the instructions were coming from in the code, and that is why they had UpRev come out to them. He said they have the tuning done and now are working on the hot startability. -- although I had the problem hot and cold, where overnight (cold) is 80F.

Hopefully answers will come tomorrow?

I posted my before and after Supercharger dyno in this thread, post #976. Here's the dyno:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k3...tt/photo-5.jpg

I post my before and after bolt-ons on a thread in the tuning section, because I had my car tuned by technosquare and posted it to show people how the Z does with an 8,100 rpm redline. Dyno charts are in the thread (June 09) I gained 27 hp with g3 intakes, headers, cats, exhaust (stock tune). I gained 42 hp total over baseline with bolt-ons and tuning. The baseline run on the before/after supercharger was with the ECU set back to stock tune. The super charger added 108 hp and that 108 hp gain is very real and you will never, ever come close to that with bolt-ons.

It wasn't however, as much as Stillen advertised with their press car, so I forced the issue and took my car back. Unless Kyle comes up with a "the sky is falling" story, My car should be done tomorrow or next week at the latest.

i want more than 400 to the wheels as well. :(

I saw your car on the dyno when I stopped by Stillen a few weeks ago, what a gorgeous car. How did your raised rev limit work out? I have been told that 8,000rpm is plenty safe for this motor, but would not want to press my luck if it is not.

8000rpms shouldn't be a problem especially if you aren't taking it to the limit all the time.

This has been one of the biggest up and down threads on the forum. It was all great when Stillen did their press release, then the tunes all stopped working save a few. Then it looked like RCZ and his custom tune with some supporting mods made 450whp on a dynojet bringing back some enthusiasm and now it looks like many of you aren't event hitting the advertised dynojet numbers. This seems almost like false advertising to me. It shouldn't take a custom tune and a plethora of supporting exhaust mods and drivetrain mods reach the advertised power. Stillen should have been more honest or at least waited until they had done a few installs to see if they could meet their own expectations. I guess we'll have to stamp this as incomplete as the fall rolls on in.

I still can't get past the fact Stillen is having These issues with all of this "extensive" testing they did...

This highlights the issues with testing on only one or two Stillen owned cars before releasing the kit. Since each car is slightly different, a setup can work perfectly on their 'guinea pig' but can act totally different on another car. The problem is that bugs like this tend to come out once customer cars come into play. :shakes head:

man if GTM's kit does not make the advertised power (torque especially, I don't care as much about the whp) then the hell with this I'm gonna save up some more and go TT.

^You know it...... Bam!

hahaha TT FTW. I think SC will pan out soon.

Well some of the TQ the SC kit makes goes to power it.. which sucks really lol

quick pic of my oil temp and oil pressure installed.

http://i37.tinypic.com/30tnx3s.jpg

Nice, that would make the little piggy go WEI WEI WEI all the way home. looks clean too.

lol!

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How did you get this to work? I imagine this requires some programming...

No, he is using HKS Camp 2 unit, plugs in and can read your ECU and display information. Has add ons which can read things the ECU does not report (boost, temps, etc.)

But for us noobs...how does it integrate with the NAV system? Is it a disc you put in to install the program? So is there a hardware and software piece to it?

No. It uses your OBDII port. How it works is you hook it up to power through any where that comes on in ACC. Connect the box to your ODBII port and then connect it to the aux inputs that are in your center console. After that just need to calibrate and switch your nav screen over to aux that way you can view it. The only thing I am not sure about that maybe others know is what wire you have to put into ground, since once you put the car in gear and start moving all Aux inputs will get cut out for safety reasons. Just like how you can't enter info in to the navi while driving. It is really simple to hook up. But from my research the Blitz one is a better buy then the HKS camp II so you might want to look into that. it's only a few more bucks and has alot more features built in that the HKS would require additional purchase of sensors for.
hope this helps
Frank

can the Blitz unit read all the ECU parameters?

Yes, but I believe there are two Blitz units, one which has only 1 or 2 add ons it supports plus the ECU and another which is similar to the HKS Camp 2.

Josh, what kind of time frame are we looking at for the results from Road and Track? Did they already test the car and just not published the magazine?

Thanks for the update...

What I did was I used a module called navtool, it borrows your oem nav screen so you can hook up anything you want to see. You'll need to wire this to a 12 volt and ground souce. The monitoring system is called HKS Camp2 and it connects directly on your oem obdII port, you don't need to hook up any 12volts on the camp2, the car will power it through the obd port.

No disc and no software needed.

Hope Road and Track got lucky and got one of the "working" kits.

A little update. I have put 700 miles on my car and things are great. Ran up against a brand new M5 and went toe to toe. It took me on launch a bit but I ran him down on the long end. Car has had no issues yet. Will have some nice pics and review in my journal soon

i am genuinely happy for you that you have no issues with your kit... however, i am hoping your stories about running on cars are all at the track and not road racing because otherwise you are just being irresponsible and just plain stupid... also you're not really proving any point about the performance of the kit by doing so... :tiphat: in any case, it would be awesome if you can update us on your plans on getting the old pulley and if you are able to finally reach your desired hp/tq numbers