RJM Whipple Customer Thread

[bullitt5897]

Originally Posted by Kojack

Lesson is don't buy product that doesn't have any proven data.

That goes with RJM transmission as well. When things are quiet seems like something is running into some issues.

RJM Trans is doing just fine. The drag race AWD G37 has a unit and so does the carbon Z...

Just because it isnt posted here doesnt mean something bad is happening. Honestly most people balk at the price. RJM may decide to only do them for in house projects given the lack of adoptance from customers. There is a reason shops like fast intentions only do trans builds on cars that they work on.

If you dont want or like the RJM trans there are other options on the market. go buy one of their packages. RJM will continue to push the 7at transmissions with 2 extremely high hp vehicles with TQ expected to be north of 800ftlbs+

[2011 Nismo#91]

Originally Posted by RJ MFG

Even your cheapest Twin turbo kit will be $9999+ In addition to that you will have a minimum of 40+hours of install time. Even at a traditional $100/hour your talking an additional $4k. That basic twin turbo kit wont include fuel system upgrades either. Our goal isn't to compete with Twin Turbo kits but to smash the supercharger kits that are already on the market. We also want people to have a true Road race mountain carving forced induction system with instant response.

I was really interested, planned, and budgeted to get one with the above statement. But at 10.5k + hood. Cost wise it makes no sense over other proven kits in the same power range. With a good reliable SC kit out there at 6k and a single turbo at 7.5k I was thinking this would be in the 8k range rather then the ~11k actual price. Not to mention the actual problems inherent with a roots blower, heat soak and actual intake temps, are theoretically "solved" but none are to date proven to be solved.

[bullitt5897]

Damn.... I cant even take a week to myself...

So let me address some of the items posted above:

RJM's Presence on the forums:
Bobby is the face of RJM and the one who answers the messages. However, he is also running a business and does not have the time to be on the forums. If you want contact with RJM Facebook is the best way to contact them or by phone or email.

Contact Info for RJM:
11576 Pyramid Dr. Odessa, Fl 33556

813-477-0947

Sales@rjmanufacturing.com

Since I had a hand in developing the kit and was a key contributor to the design, sourcing and testing of the product I have made it my best effort to be on here to answer any and all questions. Many of you know me personally and know that I am extremely up front and honest. It has given me a reputation and some people dont like it. Regardless I am here for the community and I am not an employee of RJM. I was not paid for my Design work I did it for the sake of the community and the experience.

So if you have any questions please point them to me. I know every inch of that kit including its capabilities and limitations.


The HOOD Options:
Right now there is only one option and that is to cut your hood. Some like it and some dont... There has been 3 shops that have been contracted to build a hood cowl over the last year... Each shop failing to produce a working prototype. This is especially frustrating to me since I designed the damn thing and its not hard to do. If you have a shop that can do this work let me know. This last shop is stating they will have something for us in March but its literally been pushed back so many times I lost count... If I have to take a week off of work to make one myself I will. If you think your frustrated you have no idea... We know that a Majority of kit buyers are not buying the kit because of the lack of a hood cowl.

Performance:
I hear a few people on here complaining about performance of this kit. None of them have bought the kit, rode in a car with the kit or even asked what the capabilities of the kit are.

RJM set a limit on the stage 1 kits (Pulley Size) for the initial offering because they knew guys would be putting these on stock block cars. RJM does offer any size pulley you want for power levels north of 800whp! the only thing you have to do is make sure you have the supporting mods. That means an upgraded block, Upgraded fuel pump option, Race Heat exchanger, upgraded trans... The RJM kit was designed specifically to let a customer buy the kit and run on the stock block and with little money upgrade it to support north of 800whp+ If you look at the guys who do the stillen kits they are spending $14k+ into their kits and upgrades of that kit to make it hit 700whp+. Now you can buy the whipple kit stage 1: $10.5k + $500 race heat exchanger upgrade and select a 17psi pulley free of charge... so for $11k your getting a more efficient setup with the ability to grow further than what people have already proven with a vortech based system can do for $14k+. Not only that the whipple kit has max TQ at 2600-5200 rpm!!! the Tq curve is damn flat!!! But what does this mean? Well a mid 500's whipple is going to walk that 600whp+ stillen kit every day of the week! Why? Power under the curve!

Now someone mentioned overheating... Why do you think RJM chose the 2.9L? It was chosen for the following reasons:
1. its ability to effortlessly scale power levels
2. its (Twin Screw not roots) efficiency is the highest of every supercharger on the market
3. in this application it is being purposefully under driven
4. its instant response and power delivery

The supercharger is purposefully being under driven to reduce heat soak. I can give you a perfect example. Last year prior to Zdayz debut the kit was onthe Carbon Z as a stage 1.5 (Race heat exchanger and larger injectors). I was there when the car was on the dyno in Florida on a 90*+ day and over 100% humidity and the car did pull after pull after pull for hours with little to no rest. All on a stock block and trans! the car was detuned to mid 500's and mid 400's on tq so the trans would not let go at zdayz. The whole time the car only experienced a 10* rise of iat over ambient temp!!!! That is ******* insane! for a twin screw to be that efficient and that cool on its intake charge temps is excellent! this all measured from a MAP sensor installed into the lower manifold post intercooler. There are a few customer reporting the exact same IAT performance in the real world. Additionally, most cars with this supercharger only see 14-17psi max... with a built block and trans we are able to push north of 28psi!!!!

So will the system overheat? we havent seen it yet...

REAL WORLD Data:
I for one want to see peoples dyno numbers as much as you do however a majority of the people on the group buy live up north and we all know they have taken a beating with the winter this year. Cars are up and running but they havent been on the dyno. As mentioned earlier most customers are on stock blocks and running a combination of 10-12psi pulleys.

Another reason Bobby and RJM havent been on here is because they are building an AWD G37 sedan for a customer with this kit for Drag racing. This is a massive build that has taken every free second of his time! From paint/bodywork to Roll cage fabrication and custom longtube headers. the coordination of this build has been a massive undertaking. not to mention bobby flew out and installed a majority of people's kits for FREE!

So while you guys may be antsy and have the perception that RJM ghosted people its far from the truth! Just ask any of the RJM customers who are running the kit. They get daily and weekly support even on nights and weekends!

Rest assured this kit will continue to outperform and be a rockstar. I get the hesitation to jump in. Just know that I am buying one myself and building another car in the near future. I have tested and driven a ton of miles on this kit... It is the real deal. I made sure it was designed right and would be a reliable solution.

[Elmo370z]

Been 2 plus years and nothing to show for it. You can keep repeating yourself ,but if you can’t prove anything, then the bashing will continue. Sure once someone finally can afford a real tune and get the cars up and running I’m sure the platform will speak for itself. Don’t blame the weather for the reasoning behind people not getting there cars up and running.

[bullitt5897]

Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Been 2 plus years and nothing to show for it. You can keep repeating yourself ,but if you can’t prove anything, then the bashing will continue. Sure once someone finally can afford a real tune and get the cars up and running I’m sure the platform will speak for itself. Don’t blame the weather for the reasoning behind people not getting there cars up and running.

There are already several cars up and running... Thats what I was saying... Christian, Brad, trey and James all have their cars up and running. the Carbon Z is up and running on its new motor and trans... thats 4 out of the 10 right there.... the rest of the guys are building their cars or have put them up for the winter. Kits went out to customers in august-october... Bobby I believe has traveled and installed atleast 5-6 kits for customers.

[bullitt5897]

Trey was running nearly 700whp (680+) on a stock block! his car is at the body shop and his new built motor is in the works...

[bullitt5897]

RJM Trans putting in the work: this was on a twin turbo car...

[bullitt5897]

Trey beating on his nearly 700whp Whipple Z!

https://www.facebook.com/SRperforman...2225634107321/

[TopgunZ]

Bullitt. At this point why not get someone from rjm to chime in? Are you saying their single person awd g37 customer is more important than all interested parties for their pd kit they should sell to many that they have invested 10s of thousands into?
Thats a very odd business technique.

Oh, please list the $14k stillen build mods required to hit 600whp. Go!

[bullitt5897]

Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Bullitt. At this point why not get someone from rjm to chime in? Are you saying their single person awd g37 customer is more important than all interested parties for their pd kit they should sell to many that they have invested 10s of thousands into?
Thats a very odd business technique.

Oh, please list the $14k stillen build mods required to hit 600whp. Go!

I am not saying that the one car is what keeps RJM busy. What I am saying is that it is a huge time eater. Maybe you should reach out to RJM because you don’t want to hear what I have to say.

As an FYI RJM does more than Motorsports... they do work for medical businesses, aero space and third party manufacturing. The motorsports part of the business is their passion. But it doesn’t keep the doors open, people paid or the lights on.

If you or anyone is truly interested in the kit I have given you the means to contact RJM and ask all the questions you want. Get it from them directly... I talk to Bobby on nearly a daily basis so I know what’s going on.

Name me one build on a vortech stillen kit that didn’t require an entire overhaul of that kit...full supercharger upgrade or rebuild, switch to an air to air setup, or change out multiple parts. Not to mention to rebuild the entire fuel system.... you buy a kit that does 420whp and then you have to tear it apart and replace 70%+ of its components! On a whipple kit you just swap a pulley.

[TopgunZ]

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Name me one build on a vortech stillen kit that didn’t require an entire overhaul of that kit...full supercharger upgrade or rebuild, switch to an air to air setup, or change out multiple parts. Not to mention to rebuild the entire fuel system.... you buy a kit that does 420whp and then you have to tear it apart and replace 70%+ of its components! On a whipple kit you just swap a pulley.

You must be spending too much time on Facebook. I sell vortech kits as tuner kits for $6000 and you just need fuel and tuning solution on top of that. These kits consistently make around 500whp right out of the box on pump gas. Throw a RFS on and make 575-600whp on E85 all day. A FAR cry from $14k unless you buy your injectors for $7000 a set.

I get that you want to push this product for RJM and I have no problem with that. You said your in it for the community. If you truly are then do not fill them up with misinformed and completely incorrect information surrounding their other options.

[bullitt5897]

Originally Posted by TopgunZ

You must be spending too much time on Facebook. I sell vortech kits as tuner kits for $6000 and you just need fuel and tuning solution on top of that. These kits consistently make around 500whp right out of the box on pump gas. Throw a RFS on and make 575-600whp on E85 all day. A FAR cry from $14k unless you buy your injectors for $7000 a set.

I get that you want to push this product for RJM and I have no problem with that. You said your in it for the community. If you truly are then do not fill them up with misinformed and completely incorrect information surrounding their other options.

Did I mention your kit or did I mention the stillen kit. Before we talk about misinformation let’s get our facts straight... my comments are through all the experience I have had helping my friends and community mates try to make the most out of their stillen kits.

Not once did I mention the topgunz kits. So before you get all butt hurt let’s get this thread back on topic. Customer builds!

[jwick]

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Did I mention your kit or did I mention the stillen kit. Before we talk about misinformation let’s get our facts straight... my comments are through all the experience I have had helping my friends and community mates try to make the most out of their stillen kits.



Not once did I mention the topgunz kits. So before you get all butt hurt let’s get this thread back on topic. Customer builds!

I have no skin in this game and I just follow because I love the platform, but a spade is a spade. You absolutely did mention the Stillen kit by name. You also mentioned air-2-air conversion, which Topgunz offers the only one, so indirectly you did mention his kit.

[solidus]

I saw that video when he first posted it and thought "Why he hating on singles?" . Almost 700 is absolutely not going to cut it. I'm in Orlando and Wanna Go fast registration starts March 1st.

[jwick]

Originally Posted by solidus

I saw that video when he first posted it and thought "Why he hating on singles?" . Almost 700 is absolutely not going to cut it. I'm in Orlando and Wanna Go fast registration starts March 1st.

Cuz he’s a jackass.