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Spooler 07-22-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3868581)
:yum::yum::yum:

^^^^ He chickened out. LMAO. I guess I will go see my high school friend and give him a ride. There will be 2 people giggling in the car at the same time.

JARblue 07-22-2019 02:34 PM

I'll let you know when I'm headed your way lol

Spooler 07-22-2019 08:10 PM

Rusty, do you get looks when people see your rear tire size? I think nothing of it. It's like I am immune to it.

Rusty 07-22-2019 08:38 PM

When they come up behind me. I see them looking in my mirrors. When they pass. I see the head turn to get a better look. The wide rim lip helps.

Spooler 07-22-2019 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3868757)
When they come up behind me. I see them looking in my mirrors. When they pass. I see the head turn to get a better look. The wide rim lip helps.

Jon at MA said it is the first thing people see when they come to their shop. I just think nothing of it now days. When Eddie came and picked up his hood it was the first thing his friend noticed. LOL I guess after you see it for so long it just doesn't register.

Elmo370z 07-22-2019 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blueranger (Post 3868484)
Engine is ready to go.... Just waiting for Seb's schedule to open up for the swap. We actually took parts from a donor engine and purchased new items so my new block is pretty complete. We will just add the new turbos, upgraded fuel system and some other "items" for improved efficiency :tup:

Blue ranger

Spooler 07-22-2019 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3868795)
Blue ranger

Yeap, he has got himself some skinnies up front.

Spooler 07-23-2019 08:23 PM

Only one thing left to do, brake ducts. After this the car is finished.

Spooler 07-24-2019 10:23 PM

Looking at some old emails from the start of the build. I have stuck to the build Daelen and I decided on a while ago. I did add a few things and changed very few. The items I changed were the Turbo's and that is it (From FI stage 2 to FI stage 2.5). I did add the Nismo spl subframe bushings, Trackspec vents, CSF Radiator, Finite Element design brake ducts, Diff cooler install, Bellworks diff brace, and DSS pro level axles. I did have to upgrade to a triple ATS Carbon clutch to hold the TQ. I did a good job of staying the coarse on the build as far as builds go. LOL I am so ready to get behind the wheel.

sirnixalot 07-25-2019 07:42 AM

The most difficult part of being mid build (at least for myself) is chasing "while I'm in there" squirrels. You did a damned good job staying on track

Spooler 07-25-2019 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sirnixalot (Post 3869177)
The most difficult part of being mid build (at least for myself) is chasing "while I'm in there" squirrels. You did a damned good job staying on track

It is very difficult. I missed one goal of making 800hp at the wheel at 18psi of boost. It took 21psi of boost. I have a restriction somewhere that would need to be addressed to fix it. That is a squirrel that I didn't chase. Overall, I meet my goals of what I set out to do. Not bad for the first swing at it.

Rusty 07-25-2019 09:02 AM

:tup:

tonyHTX 07-25-2019 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869194)
It is very difficult. I missed one goal of making 800hp at the wheel at 18psi of boost. It took 21psi of boost. I have a restriction somewhere that would need to be addressed to fix it. That is a squirrel that I didn't chase. Overall, I meet my goals of what I set out to do. Not bad for the first swing at it.

Congrats on everything, but shouldn't you be using this:
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780hp at 21psi of boost in 4th gear.
I've always been under the assumption that 4th gear pulls for tuning/dyno are the quote unqoute "closest" results for comparison.

Spooler 07-25-2019 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyHTX (Post 3869208)
Congrats on everything, but shouldn't you be using this:


I've always been under the assumption that 4th gear pulls for tuning/dyno are the quote unqoute "closest" results for comparison.

Probably so, Not too worried about it. It's just a number at the end of the day. I am sure it will be plenty fast enough. It's very hard to say how other people report on their dyno numbers. We were transparent so everyone could see both. I am still happy with the 780hp in 4th.

Hotrodz 07-25-2019 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyHTX (Post 3869208)
Congrats on everything, but shouldn't you be using this:


I've always been under the assumption that 4th gear pulls for tuning/dyno are the quote unqoute "closest" results for comparison.

This is one of my pet peeves...why is it necessary to compare all things when there is no way to do so in a statistically valid way. Spooler posted both 4th gear and 5th gear data points and if you have a clue you can make whatever conclusion you want. I get tired of people trying to ruin others experience because they used a dyno that reads high or low, or questioning the validity of data unless it is obvious it can't be true.

We talk wheel horsepower and much of the automotive world talks braek or crank horsepower. So his little old 780whp is about 900 break horsepower. That number puts him and other in hyper car range. I like that comparison the best!

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JARblue 07-25-2019 10:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa9YUDNHobE

Spooler 07-25-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jarblue (Post 3869220)

lmao.......

Spooler 07-25-2019 11:04 AM

Anybody that knows anything about a turbo car, the more load you put on the engine the more boost you will make. That is why it is very difficult to get a good comparison on any turbo car or truck on a chassis dyno. If you have a clutch slipping, if you have traction issues, this all can effect the load on the motor which means less boost. Some folks can make more boost on the street or drag strip. So to put this all together, my car had a bigger load on it in 5th gear, it made boost sooner (by looking at the Tq graph), and it made more hp because of it. It still made 825hp at the wheel. That is 949 hp at the crank.

cv129 07-25-2019 11:22 AM

I am happy with my puny 280whp in 4th, and here we got nickel and dime splitting hair at the 800+ range haha.

Cheers to the finished build! I just wanna see videos of this thing!!!!!

Spooler 07-25-2019 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3869226)
I am happy with my puny 280whp in 4th, and here we got nickel and dime splitting hair at the 800+ range haha.

Cheers to the finished build! I just wanna see videos of this thing!!!!!

LMAO, stupid fast is still stupid fast. At this power level it is all about "Can you get traction".....

redondoaveb 07-25-2019 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869228)
LMAO, stupid fast is still stupid fast. At this power level it is all about "Can you get traction".....

Yes, once you hit fourth gear. :rofl2:

Spooler 07-25-2019 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3869232)
Yes, once you hit fourth gear. :rofl2:

I was hooking up in 3rd due to the R888r's and 325/30/19 tire size. There was some spinning but it was very controllable and smooth.

Rusty 07-25-2019 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869228)
LMAO, stupid fast is still stupid fast. At this power level it is all about "Can you get traction".....

Nah, it's going to be how far can you spin the tires in 6th?:eek:

Spooler 07-25-2019 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3869244)
Nah, it's going to be how far can you spin the tires in 6th?:eek:

I am sure Brian didn't try that. LMAO.

Elmo370z 07-25-2019 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869222)
Anybody that knows anything about a turbo car, the more load you put on the engine the more boost you will make. That is why it is very difficult to get a good comparison on any turbo car or truck on a chassis dyno. If you have a clutch slipping, if you have traction issues, this all can effect the load on the motor which means less boost. Some folks can make more boost on the street or drag strip. So to put this all together, my car had a bigger load on it in 5th gear, it made boost sooner (by looking at the Tq graph), and it made more hp because of it. It still made 825hp at the wheel. That is 949 hp at the crank.

I make about 87whp in my Buick, it’s a v-6 also 3.1 liter. Made more for torque

tonyHTX 07-26-2019 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869213)
Probably so, Not too worried about it. It's just a number at the end of the day. I am sure it will be plenty fast enough. It's very hard to say how other people report on their dyno numbers. We were transparent so everyone could see both. I am still happy with the 780hp in 4th.

:iagree: For sure, you could very well just go when it is cooler or less humid during the fall or spring and easily get it.

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3869218)
This is one of my pet peeves...why is it necessary to compare all things when there is no way to do so in a statistically valid way. Spooler posted both 4th gear and 5th gear data points and if you have a clue you can make whatever conclusion you want. I get tired of people trying to ruin others experience because they used a dyno that reads high or low, or questioning the validity of data unless it is obvious it can't be true.

Well I'm glad I was able to touch your pet peeve! :excited:

I have never tried to ruin his experience, I have been cheering during the whole build. :tup:

Like I said above, I'm sure if he does a recheck in the fall/spring it'd be there or could be there with minor adjustments.

And if you want to get into theory - If you are to use the dyno graphs as a tool and show multiple 4th gear pulls and one 5th gear pull how is that comparable?

Again, I'm not knocking anything that he's accomplished. I am in aww of how great things came out after the struggle. It gives me hope! :bowdown:

Spooler 07-26-2019 06:28 PM

All builds this big are a struggle. Just takes painstakingly long. Nothing you can do but hold on for the ride. That is why you see so many people sell them after it is done. They are exhausted. I can feel it but I am not selling. LMAO....

Spooler 07-26-2019 07:59 PM

The other issues with a big build is you don't have a magic formula on what works and what lives. There are a few guys up in this area but very few that actually drive them regularly. Some share info and some don't. I am happy with the outcome. If I decide to go further, I will need to work on the restrictions and a better intake manifold. At the moment I just don't see the need.

Elmo370z 07-27-2019 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869474)
The other issues with a big build is you don't have a magic formula on what works and what lives. There are a few guys up in this area but very few that actually drive them regularly. Some share info and some don't. I am happy with the outcome. If I decide to go further, I will need to work on the restrictions and a better intake manifold. At the moment I just don't see the need.

Cjm billet manifold solves all your issues.

jchammond 07-27-2019 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869194)
It is very difficult. I missed one goal of making 800hp at the wheel at 18psi of boost. It took 21psi of boost. I have a restriction somewhere that would need to be addressed to fix it. That is a squirrel that I didn't chase. Overall, I meet my goals of what I set out to do. Not bad for the first swing at it.

Nothing to sweat about at all,
Probably would have made it with a better grade ethanol :tup:
Nearly 1000bhp is just crazy...:eek:

Spooler 07-27-2019 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3869510)
Cjm billet manifold solves all your issues.

I have seen it and you have to do too many modifications for a street car at my power level. Many things have to be moved.

Spooler 07-27-2019 04:58 PM

Charles just posted on Instagram about the manifold. Must modify the engine harness, custom fabricated cooling pipes and reservoir, custom fabricated oil dipstick and tube. CJ Motorsports intercooler will be needed with exits on the top tank, custom intercooler pipes, and modify the radiator brace. It's is a big task to make it fit. The custom work will not be cheap. I do really like it though.

Elmo370z 07-27-2019 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869609)
Charles just posted on Instagram about the manifold. Must modify the engine harness, custom fabricated cooling pipes and reservoir, custom fabricated oil dipstick and tube. CJ Motorsports intercooler will be needed with exits on the top tank, custom intercooler pipes, and modify the radiator brace. It's is a big task to make it fit. The custom work will not be cheap. I do really like it though.

Yeah we had long discussion about it. Not worth the time and effort unless you’re trying to break in Justin’s power level.

Spooler 07-27-2019 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3869618)
Yeah we had long discussion about it. Not worth the time and effort unless you’re trying to break in Justin’s power level.

AT 21psi of boost, I need one. LOL I need something and I don't like the GTR intake conversion or the AAM Intake. I have the same size turbo's as Justin they are just Zonarotor turbo's.

Elmo370z 07-27-2019 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869702)
AT 21psi of boost, I need one. LOL I need something and I don't like the GTR intake conversion or the AAM Intake. I have the same size turbo's as Justin they are just Zonarotor turbo's.

Have to see send your logs to Seb and see what he can improve on. Justin’s car was untouched besides the exhaust, manifolds and turbo kit. Soho has a manifold. Ported stock helps a lot.

Spooler 07-27-2019 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3869704)
Have to see send your logs to Seb and see what he can improve on. Justin’s car was untouched besides the exhaust, manifolds and turbo kit. Soho has a manifold. Ported stock helps a lot.

He is too busy. I can't ask him for such as he is slammed with work. It's not fair to his regular customers. I think the tune is spot on for what I wanted.

jchammond 07-28-2019 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869702)
AT 21psi of boost, I need one. LOL I need something and I don't like the GTR intake conversion or the AAM Intake. I have the same size turbo's as Justin they are just Zonarotor turbo's.

It does look appealing; you’ll know Performance when you see the Dyno graph :tup:
Sometimes it’s hard to beat the oe design :ugh2:

Spooler 07-28-2019 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3869718)
It does look appealing; you’ll know Performance when you see the Dyno graph :tup:
Sometimes it’s hard to beat the oe design :ugh2:

We shall see that soon on Justin's car. He has been waiting on a clutch. Sound Familiar? LOL

tonyHTX 07-30-2019 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3869749)
We shall see that soon on Justin's car. He has been waiting on a clutch. Sound Familiar? LOL

I pray my FX850 holds, but the way the trend is going as the builds start finishing.. :crying:

Also there's a guy named Damon (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw9qXBAHtVi/), who has a car which is a built FI Stage 2 TT 875whp. He got the AAM Intake Manifold and actually lost ~ 40whp and 20wtq so they switched back to the stock waffle.

With the way the R35 manifold falls off a cliff at the top and AAM also losing power.. Seems CJM is only way to go, has anyone ever seen a SOHO result?

Spooler 07-30-2019 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyHTX (Post 3870123)
I pray my FX850 holds, but the way the trend is going as the builds start finishing.. :crying:

Also there's a guy named Damon (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw9qXBAHtVi/), who has a car which is a built FI Stage 2 TT 875whp. He got the AAM Intake Manifold and actually lost ~ 40whp and 20wtq so they switched back to the stock waffle.

With the way the R35 manifold falls off a cliff at the top and AAM also losing power.. Seems CJM is only way to go, has anyone ever seen a SOHO result?

One car had the SOHO manifold. It was at 875hp or something MB Nismo. I am fine in the 800hp range I am in. It is a good bit of work to fit the CJ Motorsports intake. We shall see what Justins's car does with it. There is not much difference between 17psi of boost at 716hp to 21psi of boost at 780hp (4th gear). I choose to work on the restriction to decrease boost and increase HP if I go any further.


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