Can’t argue that fact. You can buy a k series for $800 at your local junkyard. But you ain’t build no nitro all motor 4 cylinder for under 20k. Finding a good hatch shell will cost you 2-5k. 4 piston racing those motor builds cost just as much as building a VQ. Will these VQ or the Z platform be anything close to where civics probably not. Now you have soho getting closer to the 8’s and NA guys knocking on the door to 10’s it may bring some much needed attention to the platform.

Honda are great if that is your thing. I love rear wheel drive cars. Driven all breeds at the the track and in EV's. The reason Honda's are popular are because people have pushed the limits on the K series motor. To be fair a proper Honda track car ain't cheap either. Ben from Gears and Gasoline broke down the cost to build his track car. $25k ain't going to get you there.

Tracking is expensive. I bought a track prepped Miata track and street car. It still was expensive. The heads had to be done twice, rotors, brakes, tires and a proper 4 point roll bar. Things add up quickly!

The bottom line is we all need each other. The car community suffers because many want to hate on a platform or between platforms and show vs track. Then there is grip vs drift vs drag and so on. My rant is over.

Spooler, carry on my brother!!!

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Most GTR's do no use a stand alone ECU majority use Ecutek and cobb its been this way for years. GTR's are where they are because of demand has nothing to do with people wanting to spend money on a custom harness. The knew supra is running 8's

Vinny ten's tube chassis drag car ran mid 6's at over 200mph. There was another Z of his that ran into the 8's that trapped in the 170's.This is where the good news with Vinny stops. Over the years his name has gotten him attention he is not some great pioneer nor has he really done anything great for they platform. I personally know people that have worked with Vinny and customers that he has screwed besides myself.

I totally agree with this

Let's just say I have always had a goal in mind. I am not close to it yet. It will take several more years to get there if I don't burn out first. I keep my goals close that way I don't have to constantly hear folks say I can't do it. That will fire me up and I will try to go to fast. I need to be wise about it and inch my way up to it.

Have to learn to walk before you can fly. You're there.

Demand is people willing to spend the money. For example if soho came
Out with a stand alone package and it showed monumental advances in tuning but quoted 6-10k for a drag package. You think the VQ crowd would be jumping through loops to get it done or so say “it to expensive I can’t justify it” gtr crowd has money and money is what it going to take to go to the next level and stay relative. Looks at Cjm and his intake manifold, his oil pump gears and now the Dct. The demand was/or is there, but nobody willing to fork money to help the movement. Just sitting around waiting for shops like
Soho to spend the crazy money on the R&D.

Ecu tek is a very capable piggy back with custom mapping. But a lot of tuners aren’t using it for what it’s worth either.

Your concept of demand is totally off most people just aren't going to spend the money on a stand alone. Now I get it you have a passion for them using SOHO as and example would not create the demand you think it will. First off demand is dictated by the customer not shops like your example above. Shops invest money in cars because there is a demand in the aftermarket to modify a certain car/platform not the other way around. As someone pointed out to you before this is not the 90's where a stand alone is needed to go fast. GTR's Mustangs corvettes the new supra are cars that can run 8's on the factory computers. What do all these cars have in common? Customers that pay for parts to go fast this creates demand for multiple shops and manufacturers to make parts.

Now if SOHO came out with what you stated yes there would be people that would jump all over it. That however would not create the kind of buzz like some of the other platforms.

My concept of demand is for people who actually race to win, not weekend and holiday warriors. Shops demonstrate what can be done, if it’s successful, that brings in customers wanting the same thing. The demand is there and soho is taking full advantage of that. You can make 2000hp on a stock Ecu nowadays, just like you can make 1200hp on uprev why do Ecu tek. You’re not getting what I’m throwing down, it’s not about making power to switch to a stand-alone. Stock simply can’t do what a stand-alone can do when it comes to racing and keeping these motor running at peak efficiency. Again not talking about street cars wanting to do roll racing, and still want to drive it on hot summer days with ac and all the creature comforts. All the new cars you mentioned can probably run 7’s on a factory Ecu, it not like are running multiple piggybacks to truck the computer, Emilia proved when she went 9’s. Watch and consistent and fast these cars will be on stand alones. What all these cars have is you’re right customers willing to spend money, not squabbling over what intake and exhaust combo will net me 350whp for the cheapest price or who got the hook up. Those people are adults with money not kids spending life savings on a 10,000 turbo kit wanting to make 800whp on 750 injectors and no return system.

I am definitely not the guy who is going to spend $2k on Belak's but I am sure as **** glad there's that level of investment in our platform.

It’s not smart by any means. But some people’s passion for it is far greater then you and I. Just like we can laugh at people pouring 100k into a civic to run 7’s. Or 20-50k for an all motor 4 banger to make 800hp. Why spend that when you can buy and eBay turbo kit and a junkyard block with minimal effort to make the same power?

I see you really think the demand is there because of SOHO. There the only shop that has been willing to spend the money and R&D it takes to make this platform go fast that's awesome and there the best. Now I think started out around 2012ish , do you really think it takes 8 years go create demand for customers. I would be willing to bet they do what they do because they have a passion for these z cars. You don't see anyone else like AMS ETS Cicio performance T1 racing Boost logic etc doing anything with the Z34. There's a reason for that and that's because there enough customers that create the type of demand for these companies to invest in.

Now I'm not trying to argue with you that a stock ECU is better than a stand alone. I agree that a stock computer cant do what a true stand alone can do my only point was most people don't want to spend the cash on a stand alone ecu and that there are plenty of cars not using them. I even want to switch to one my self eventually hell I even held a Haltech ECU in my hand back at the P.R.I show in Orlando Florida in 2012 that was suppose to come out. The thing these days roll racing is more popular than drag racing that's just a fact people rather have there creature comforts than a all out race car.

Demand isn’t there because of soho, demand is there because you still see people taking th cars to the drag, roll
Racing, road racing, soho is Perpetuating the platform into new heights. , because those big shops with customer left the z34 when the gtr came around. Because the platform ia filled with kids. I’d leave to if I had the talent to draw customers in willing to drop 100k in a blink of an eye. Demand isn’t there because information is filled with clutter, you don’t need it. Most don’t even known that we even have a plug n play. 2012 haltech didn’t have a stand-alone that controlled the vvel. Or both Tb’s. Roll racing no near as popular as drag racing. People like doing because it doesn’t require as much skills or time to be good at it, doesn’t break parts as easy.