Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 4013950)

I see you really think the demand is there because of SOHO. There the only shop that has been willing to spend the money and R&D it takes to make this platform go fast that's awesome and there the best. Now I think started out around 2012ish , do you really think it takes 8 years go create demand for customers. I would be willing to bet they do what they do because they have a passion for these z cars. You don't see anyone else like AMS ETS Cicio performance T1 racing Boost logic etc doing anything with the Z34. There's a reason for that and that's because there enough customers that create the type of demand for these companies to invest in.

Now I'm not trying to argue with you that a stock ECU is better than a stand alone. I agree that a stock computer cant do what a true stand alone can do my only point was most people don't want to spend the cash on a stand alone ecu and that there are plenty of cars not using them. I even want to switch to one my self eventually hell I even held a Haltech ECU in my hand back at the P.R.I show in Orlando Florida in 2012 that was suppose to come out. The thing these days roll racing is more popular than drag racing that's just a fact people rather have there creature comforts than a all out race car.

Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 4013877)

Absolutely no one can justify the copious amounts of money required for an aftermarket ECU on a street car when stock does good enough, Elijah. This isn't the 90s anymore with crap factory ecu's and limited options. Find a company that's willing to develop a proper plug and play solution on a well known brand (cough haltech cough), otherwise good luck.

Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4013951)

Demand isn’t there because of soho, demand is there because you still see people taking th cars to the drag, roll
Racing, road racing, soho is Perpetuating the platform into new heights. , because those big shops with customer left the z34 when the gtr came around. Because the platform ia filled with kids. I’d leave to if I had the talent to draw customers in willing to drop 100k in a blink of an eye. Demand isn’t there because information is filled with clutter, you don’t need it. Most don’t even known that we even have a plug n play. 2012 haltech didn’t have a stand-alone that controlled the vvel. Or both Tb’s. Roll racing no near as popular as drag racing. People like doing because it doesn’t require as much skills or time to be good at it, doesn’t break parts as easy.

Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4013954)

All I would want a Standalone for is a Motorsports grade traction control. That is the greatest benefit and something that Ecutek can't do. No more ramping the boost in with tuning. I figured that out real quick at Pocono. There was a ton of traction there and I left a good bit of MPH on the table.

Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 4013957)

Soho is not the reason why demand isn't there. Now to say people are out drag racing and roll racing z there are only a handful that show up and race these cars at any track. Saying that the GTR killed the Z is not true that car came out in 2008 and the Z in 2009. The VQ killed the Z they have been lifting heads since 2003. This drove customers away from the VQ platform as well as companies. Did you own any VQ back in 2009 when this car came out
or any VQ. I can tell you this forum alone was way more active back then there were a lot more Knowledgeable people around back then and way more customers.

Now as far as Haltech goes when I saw it at PRI show it was suppose to be a full stand alone that's what I was told at the time and they game out with what you just showed above.

Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 4013957)

Soho is not the reason why demand isn't there. Now to say people are out drag racing and roll racing z there are only a handful that show up and race these cars at any track. Saying that the GTR killed the Z is not true that car came out in 2008 and the Z in 2009. The VQ killed the Z they have been lifting heads since 2003. This drove customers away from the VQ platform as well as companies. Did you own any VQ back in 2009 when this car came out
or any VQ. I can tell you this forum alone was way more active back then there were a lot more Knowledgeable people around back then and way more customers.

Now as far as Haltech goes when I saw it at PRI show it was suppose to be a full stand alone that's what I was told at the time and they game out with what you just showed above.

Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 4013958)

They Ecutek we have is different from what the GTR's have the traction control works way better on there cars. We only have Ecutek because of them and get handed the left over race rom crumbs lol.


I knew you would hook with what you have at Pocono next time I'm sure you will be ready

Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4013963)

Not crazy important to have but nice to be able to control from a tuning standpoint. We can’t have that with the stock Ec, GTR’s can with a stock ecu.

Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 4013966)

Just like I mentioned above we are left with GTR left over crumb with our version of Ecutek.

Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4013955)

The other thing I want to bring up is a proper traction control is a safety benefit on high hp cars. 700-800whp car it is not necessary. 900whp and up it is a great benefit. 10k is cheap for a MOTEC M150 compared to totaling the car. Especially for a street/roll race car.

Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4013970)

You will probably start wanting to look into adding sensors to the suspension and data logging during your runs. That way you know exactly what it is doing all times and make little adjustments from there. Also adding a turbo speed sensor to
Monitor turbo speed to make sure you stay within grange of the compressor map.