The movie with the original recording made back in 2000.

This is on a Dyno Dynamics. It reads 15% lower than a dyno jet. Verified it with my car comparing MA's dyno and then put my car on a dynojet to see what happened.

[IMG]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3867ebd7_h.jpgMoses Dyno by Spoooler, on Flickr[/IMG]

From all of my reading on the GTR forum, My ID1700's are good to 1200whp. I may run out of fuel pump though. Would need to take one of my Walbro 450's out and run a Hellcat 525 as the secondary. I will be out of clutch at 875 Tq but I should be OK with my motor not being a stroker motor. Just a 3.8.

Changed the O2's out today. Wasn't too bad. More of a pain to get to the connectors than anything. It was also time to change my fuel filter. Boy was it nasty. Back to running like a champ again on low boost.

Posting this one more time for folks who have not seen it. Don't skimp.

Had to go for a drive after the F1 race. I was feeling racey... Stuck on low boost but it was fun none the less. I had Nick ramp in the boost and he did it perfectly. I, however, hate it. LOL, Got to try things and find out what you like and don't like. Will be going back to the way it was when the new engine is installed and tuned.

You like that sledge hammer feel for when it spools up. :driving:

Yes, so I can control it with my right foot. I have to be all up in it now at a higher rpm to get to max boost. Drives me crazy. I am use to using my right foot to spool up the turbos and past someone like it is nothing. I can't do that anymore. That is what annoys me the most. Maybe I will do my daily driving map all out at low boost and on map 2, It will be ramped in but, much quicker than it is today, at the high boost levels.

By the way. The bank one O2 was nasty. I saw a coolant trail from when the first motor let go and I was pushing coolant out the tail pipe. That did not help it by any means. Guess I should have changed them out then when the 2nd motor was installed.

Looking at these.

XR 6564S X2C - Xona Rotor

I may just say F it and go for 1200whp..... I just need the right turbo's.

Stock ecu is still okay up to those levels of power?

Shame there's no real practical aftermarket options.

Yes, the motor has always been the issue. Getting that fixed. Traction, LOL, that will be another story. I got some tricks up my sleeve for that. I need to get past keeping the motor alive to figure all that out.

If you keep upping your power goals, then this THIRD built motor may not survive. :icon14:

I know you’re gonna say hat this new motor will be built enough to have the head room (or should I say head lift) for it. But I’m pretty sure you said the same about at least one of the last two.


PS - just kidding about the head lift, I know you can be a bit sensitive sometimes.

If you think you need more power than 900whp, then the VQ is definitely not the best motor to stick with. Out of thousands of builds, they have proven to be unreliable.

VR can be built for 15-20k to handle 1500whp, it's a no brainer. The VQ37VHR ECU might be able to control it with VVEL deleted aswell.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa, $20K for a 1500HP VR? :confused:

You have any links to back that up? Very curious, if true I may trade in the 370 for the "Nissan Z" when it comes out.

If the VR has that kind of potential... it seems like a no brainer to me too.

I didn't mean the bastard VR in the new Z and Q60, that motor is junk with really bad flowing heads, rail and injector issues and is open deck.

The VR38 has been proven time and time again, every drift/time attack boosted VQ ended up switching motors as the VQ kept having head issues. If those teams with almost unlimited budgets gave up, then why would someone as a customer keep trying? :icon14:

:rolleyes: Of course, should of known better, GTR motor swap.

So in reality, still looking at close to six figures when all is said and done.

I think you are leaving out the most important part. A junk yard long block VR38 is 15k. Then, if you need to bore it you will need a new block from Nissan. So the real numbers are 30k to 35k. I don't care for motor swaps anyway.
Beside, most folks don't build the VQ correctly anyways. They cheap out big time and expect it to hold.

There is, called a stand-alone.

Name one SOHO motor that has lifted the heads with top fuel hoops.

You know I want one. I just need to get past the damn motor holding together.

Ah, those drift guys want the motors for free. They are sponsored by the engine builders. Chris Forsberg was sponsored by RJM back in the day. We all know what kind of guy Bobby is. I will just leave it at that.

I'm aware they exist but there's no "affordable" drop in replacements unlike our earlier Z brothers.

From my 10 minutes of research you get:

Syvecs which seems to be the best option but it's also 5k
Motec looks promising but needs a harness (supposedly you can buy a harness for this one though, unlike Haltech)
Haltech requires a custom harness to be made
Link can't control vvel

Which also doesn't include trying to find a competent tuner who knows a VQ and can tune on these other platforms as well. Most specialized vq tuners are pretty well dedicated to uprev/ecutek. I'm sure they're out there but yeah...

You’re 100% wrong. Wayne Potts didn’t get all that involved with syvecs, T1 killed that program. Haltech does control Vvel, motec is plug n play. Expensive. So is rebuilding motors, turbo kits and supporting mods. This is the problem with the VQ community. Why this platform is stuck in a rut for the last 13 years.

Absolutely no one can justify the copious amounts of money required for an aftermarket ECU on a street car when stock does good enough, Elijah. This isn't the 90s anymore with crap factory ecu's and limited options. Find a company that's willing to develop a proper plug and play solution on a well known brand (cough haltech cough), otherwise good luck.

None of this stuff is cheap and failures are expensive. Way too much misinformation in the community. The failures are freaking painful. Painful to the wallet and the soul.

Vit viper motec m150, haltech nexus R5 has can bus protocols, emtron has a plug n play in works. Step up your bank account to play. I have 3 options for stand-alone tuning. No one just justify it they are broke. Those type of people always looking for a deal or the cheapest route and expecting the best results.

Motec m150 is the only plug and play with full can bus integration. They are a handful of VHR running the motec m150. If you speaking about dynosty haltech it’s only a piggy back.

I was going to be one of those people to run a motec until I got a phone and decided to make the switch to a built motor

It's not about not having the money, it's about common sense. It's bothersome that if you are on the vq35 platform you can grab a really good plug and play standalone for a couple thousand, but on here it's 5k+ with custom harnesses and piggy backing. The matter of the fact is that the development in general for VQ's just aren't there, the size of your bank account will not change that.

If any of us were smart we wouldn't be trying to make power on a VQ knowing these facts, yet here we are.

The size of your bank does matter, how you think the GTR’s have gotten to where they are now. Not complaining about 5k custom harnesses. Trust me a good stand-alone whether it’s a DE or VHR is going to cost you more then 5k. How do you think the king of blowing motors EJ22’s haven’t gotten to where they are now, spending money and time to figuring things out. You posses a lot of misinformation. Very few folks have been successful with making big power on VQ, vinny ten had over 200 passes on his VQ and ran deep into the 8’s, mazworx ran into 7’s before switching to a billet block. You think it’s easy to make 1000whp? You must not understand the dark side of what some of these folks have to go through to maintain big power builds.
Do us all a favor, go buy a good stand-alone unit, make a wire harness that is plug n play, and show that it works, I’m
Sure folks here will be lined up to spend 5k or less for something that works just as good as a motec, haltech or emtron. I’ll wait

I'm going to be honest with you for a second, I have no idea what your incoherent rant is about because it just flat out makes no sense. Where did I specify 1000whp is easy? And about ecus it seems you've not comprehended my entire point at all lmao. I'd suggest you to save your money for when your fresh mazworx block lifts its head, as Spooler has demonstrated. ��

I’m not worried about lifting heads.I have the money to send it back to get fixed. Sucks to always to be a spectator and always wishing you had the money to do poor life choice things. It’s pretty obvious people like you are always wanting someone to hold your hand through the process. Point of ecu’s and 1000whp is it takes time and money. You keep doing your 10 minutes of research and coming up with ignorant information. No one makes a plug n play unit and syvecs seems like the best solution lol.

LMAO, this build and build thread ain't for those that don't have expendable funds. There nothing cheap about doing what Spooler and few others of us are doing. They one off builds and unique to everyone of us. Sure you can talk about going to another platform or swapping in something else but Spooler has said over and over again that he is not interested in any of that and chasing his own personal dream. In doing that there will be gains for the whole platform. Doing something special requires unconventional thinking and not listening to the nay sayers. Hell, when I started my journey as well as others, the stock block was supposed to handle more than 550whp and you need to keep wtq below 500 and that was on the ragged edge. Now see stock blocks at 700whp and 580wtq.

So talking about cost for the regular Joe is not realistic at all. Most of could have easily adopted to get cars like a GTR or Porsche but we chose built over bought! Yep, maybe we are stupid and it's our money and our fun.

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I'm absolutely well aware and I'm all for it, I'm not knocking anyone at all who's trying to push the platform. You have to keep in mind "regular joes" are what keep this platform alive though, you'd be crazy to believe a couple high end 1 off builds provide enough income for any company to support and invest in R&D. Solutions and options MUST be affordable. We're talking low end entry level sports car here lol, this isn't the GTR world where everything does and should have a premium.

I wouldn't have spent 25k+ in mods on my second Z if I didn't believe in VQs (which I know, before any of you mention is almost nothing compared to some of you). But I know where to realistically draw the line with capabilities of the platform in it's current state. I will not be the one to push the boundaries.

“ any of us were smart we wouldn't be trying to make power” I was merely answering you. Shame on me for assuming what you meant by power.

Platform is in a rut because no one wants to push the boundaries. No more low entry and any hatch back civic. 10 years ago you think a all motor fwd or awd drive civic would be knocking on the door to 7 second 1/4 miles? It takes a bunch of 1 off builds like hotrodz, spooler, Kels, soho to inspire and create ideas for that average Joe. Sometime that average Joe build works and is fast for no reason, that in turn sparks interest from other demographics to start pouring money into R&D.

Hondas are fast as **** now which is inspiring for the hopeful future of VQ's, but the reason why they are is because of how cheap it is. Blow your engine? Throw a $100 junkyard engine in it and try again. Parts are cheap. It's not uncommon to see 800+whp hondas with ebay turbos now lol.

More people would be willing to try and push boundaries and experiment when they are not hit by a giant wall of cost.

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