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Spooler 07-13-2021 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 4002307)
Time to go have fun!!!

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This ^^^^^^

Spooler 07-13-2021 11:49 AM

I do a good job of stopping when I am ready. I will just maintain the car and only upgrade what I break. I do miss driving it every day back and forth to work. I don't always drive it like I stole it but it is there if I want to. A choice is a beautiful thing.

Spooler 07-13-2021 11:54 AM

The only frustrating thing about my car is keeping E85 in the tank. I wish they would build more E85 stations. I have been my own station since last year. Staying on Ignite Red is not a bad thing. It just get's expensive and since I don't drive near as much it is not too bad.

Hotrodz 07-13-2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002306)
I did stop by my local E85 station the other day. They have been out of pump E85 for a month and a half. No driver to bring it to them. I am happy to be working from home still and not having to worry about that. Only one station around is very frustrating.
They constantly run out.

You should Google Sunoco racing fuel for a distributor near you. Their e85r is always e85 and the price for delivery to your door may not be to bad. It may also be easy for you to go to the distribution site and puck it up your self.

I get it delivered to my garage door for less than $5 per gallon! My house is about 110 miles from the distributor.

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Spooler 07-13-2021 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 4002311)
You should Google Sunoco racing fuel for a distributor near you. Their e85r is always e85 and the price for delivery to your door may not be to bad. It may also be easy for you to go to the distribution site and puck it up your self.

I get it delivered to my garage door for less than $5 per gallon! My house is about 110 miles from the distributor.

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My distributor lives in Swansee, SC. LOL It is not too bad of a drive.

Hotrodz 07-13-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002312)
My distributor lives in Swansee, SC. LOL It is not too bad of a drive.

Never a shortage at the distributor!!!

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Spooler 07-13-2021 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 4002313)
Never a shortage at the distributor!!!

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LOL, that is because JCHammond and I go in together on fuel and order a good bit at once.

Mr.Squeeze 07-13-2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 4002311)
You should Google Sunoco racing fuel for a distributor near you. Their e85r is always e85 and the price for delivery to your door may not be to bad. It may also be easy for you to go to the distribution site and puck it up your self.

I get it delivered to my garage door for less than $5 per gallon! My house is about 110 miles from the distributor.

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This has been an option I've been looking into as well there is a distributor not to far from where I live.

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Spooler 07-13-2021 01:15 PM

New Intercooler has been made. Just looked at the pictures. Won't be long and it will head off to be coated.

redondoaveb 07-13-2021 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002330)
New Intercooler has been made. Just looked at the pictures. Won't be long and it will head off to be coated.

I'm no thermal dynamics engineer :icon17: but that 4.5" thick core has got to be so much more efficient

Spooler 07-13-2021 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4002332)
I'm no thermal dynamics engineer :icon17: but that 4.5" thick core has got to be so much more efficient

It is 3.5in Bell core. The end caps were really restrictive. Guess we will see how this works.

redondoaveb 07-13-2021 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002333)
It is 3.5in Bell core. The end caps were really restrictive. Guess we will see how this works.

For some reason I was thinking 4.5. Still an inch thicker than the FI. That inch adds a lot of area

Spooler 07-13-2021 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4002334)
For some reason I was thinking 4.5. Still an inch thicker than the FI. That inch adds a lot of area

Yes, but it restricts air flow to the radiator. Not sure what core FI uses either. The Bell core is one of the best.

Hotrodz 07-13-2021 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 4002316)
This has been an option I've been looking into as well there is a distributor not to far from where I live.

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Right on! I don't mind paying a little more in getting all the benefits of having the consistency and quality of the fuel over pump e85. I guess I'm still suffer from having issues with dirty e85 and my fuel pump system not being able to filter or perform because of the quality of pump e85 seven years ago.

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redondoaveb 07-13-2021 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002338)
Yes, but it restricts air flow to the radiator. Not sure what core FI uses either. The Bell core is one of the best.

That's a good point about the radiator air flow restriction. Bell is definitely one of the best

redondoaveb 07-13-2021 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 4002340)
Right on! I don't mind paying a little more in getting all the benefits of having the consistency and quality of the fuel over pump e85. I guess I'm still suffer from having issues with dirty e85 and my fuel pump system not being able to filter or perform because of the quality of pump e85 seven years ago.

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After seeing my injector test results, I'm kind of scared of pump e85 too. I'll definitely be getting the ID F750 fuel filter

Hotrodz 07-13-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002338)
Yes, but it restricts air flow to the radiator. Not sure what core FI uses either. The Bell core is one of the best.

Bigger is not always better, but how you use your tool is! Airflow is king in the road racing or time attack world. Most extreme time attack builds are only looking at putting down three laps at a time due to over heating issues. I know the other factors are the tires degradation starts after more than a couple of hot laps and fuel capacity is limited to like nine gallons for weight savings. That said if you can't get a good lap in the first three to four laps your tires will need a break.

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Spooler 07-13-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4002343)
After seeing my injector test results, I'm kind of scared of pump e85 too. I'll definitely be getting the ID F750 fuel filter

That would be the best move. It will meet you injector filtration requirements.

Rusty 07-13-2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 4002346)
Bigger is not always better, but how you use your tool is! Airflow is king in the road racing or time attack world. Most extreme time attack builds are only looking at putting down three laps at a time due to over heating issues. I know the other factors are the tires degradation starts after more than a couple of hot laps and fuel capacity is limited to like nine gallons for weight savings. That said if you can't get a good lap in the first three to four laps your tires will need a break.

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Time Attack, you're balls out from the get go for 4 laps then you're done. Using the softest tires. Road racing, you're trying to make everything last for the distance. Tires, you might be on mid or hard compounds.

Spooler 07-13-2021 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4002341)
That's a good point about the radiator air flow restriction. Bell is definitely one of the best

Garrett cores are good also. They have the new dense fin design. SOHO is just making me what they know works.

Spooler 07-13-2021 03:03 PM

I have 14 business days to wait unless I get lucky and they get done sooner for the intercooler to get coated.

Spooler 07-13-2021 03:25 PM

Good thing I am in the holding pattern. It appears it will rain at Pocono this Sunday. I would of hate to went all the way up there to not unload the car. I would not have been happy. LOL

johnxxx 07-13-2021 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 4002311)
You should Google Sunoco racing fuel for a distributor near you. Their e85r is always e85 and the price for delivery to your door may not be to bad. It may also be easy for you to go to the distribution site and puck it up your self.

I get it delivered to my garage door for less than $5 per gallon! My house is about 110 miles from the distributor.

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@Hotrodz I googled Sunoco's website and the price for a 54 gallon drum of Sunoco E85-R is $409.73. https://www.sunocoracefuels.com/fuel-finder
https://petroleumservicecompany.com/...4-gallon-drum/ That's $7.59 per gallon and doesn't include the [liftgate] delivery charge of $145 to NJ for me specifically. ( Delivery is $145 regardless of 1 drum or 4 drums... then it moves up to $190 for 5 drums delivered, etc. ) The distributor here is PSC, Petroleum Service Company, and they're out of Pa. They also mentioned that this year alone Sunoco has increase the price 5 times since. ( Just saying as you might be surprised on your next order :eek: )

I have a E85 gas station about 20 miles south of me... been looking at a 110 gallon fuel transfer tank w/ pump ( $3k ) or going with drums. Heard that they are pretty consistent at around 83% ethanol. I would buy a tester for sure prior to fill up.

Still trying to figure out what to do with fuel myself. :confused:

johnxxx 07-13-2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002364)
Good thing I am in the holding pattern. It appears it will rain at Pocono this Sunday. I would of hate to went all the way up there to not unload the car. I would not have been happy. LOL

Yeah you're right... calling for scattered thunderstorms for Sunday ... was planning a trip up there to check out the roll racing. Guess I'll keep a close eye on the weather and see if things change.

Spooler 07-13-2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by johnxxx (Post 4002374)
Yeah you're right... calling for scattered thunderstorms for Sunday ... was planning a trip up there to check out the roll racing. Guess I'll keep a close eye on the weather and see if things change.

They may cancel it. Keep up with them on Instagram.

redondoaveb 07-13-2021 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by johnxxx (Post 4002369)
@Hotrodz I googled Sunoco's website and the price for a 54 gallon drum of Sunoco E85-R is $409.73. https://www.sunocoracefuels.com/fuel-finder
https://petroleumservicecompany.com/...4-gallon-drum/ That's $7.59 per gallon and doesn't include the [liftgate] delivery charge of $145 to NJ for me specifically. ( Delivery is $145 regardless of 1 drum or 4 drums... then it moves up to $190 for 5 drums delivered, etc. ) The distributor here is PSC, Petroleum Service Company, and they're out of Pa. They also mentioned that this year alone Sunoco has increase the price 5 times since. ( Just saying as you might be surprised on your next order :eek: )

I have a E85 gas station about 20 miles south of me... been looking at a 110 gallon fuel transfer tank w/ pump ( $3k ) or going with drums. Heard that they are pretty consistent at around 83% ethanol. I would buy a tester for sure prior to fill up.

Still trying to figure out what to do with fuel myself. :confused:

It's not about the ethanol content, it's more about contaminants in with the fuel.

johnxxx 07-13-2021 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4002376)
It's not about the ethanol content, it's more about contaminants in with the fuel.

Getting the ID-F750 fuel filter installed but it's efficiency is rated at 87% @ 5 microns and 100% @ 35 microns... guess that still leaves room for contaminants to make it's way into the injectors.

Spooler 07-13-2021 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by johnxxx (Post 4002379)
Getting the ID-F750 fuel filter installed but it's efficiency is rated at 87% @ 5 microns and 100% @ 35 microns... guess that still leaves room for contaminants to make it's way into the injectors.

That is Bosch filter recomendation.

redondoaveb 07-13-2021 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by johnxxx (Post 4002379)
Getting the ID-F750 fuel filter installed but it's efficiency is rated at 87% @ 5 microns and 100% @ 35 microns... guess that still leaves room for contaminants to make it's way into the injectors.

That's on my list too and I'll probably run a tank of pump gas through the system more frequently.

Hotrodz 07-13-2021 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by johnxxx (Post 4002369)
@Hotrodz I googled Sunoco's website and the price for a 54 gallon drum of Sunoco E85-R is $409.73. https://www.sunocoracefuels.com/fuel-finder

https://petroleumservicecompany.com/...4-gallon-drum/ That's $7.59 per gallon and doesn't include the [liftgate] delivery charge of $145 to NJ for me specifically. ( Delivery is $145 regardless of 1 drum or 4 drums... then it moves up to $190 for 5 drums delivered, etc. ) The distributor here is PSC, Petroleum Service Company, and they're out of Pa. They also mentioned that this year alone Sunoco has increase the price 5 times since. ( Just saying as you might be surprised on your next order :eek: )



I have a E85 gas station about 20 miles south of me... been looking at a 110 gallon fuel transfer tank w/ pump ( $3k ) or going with drums. Heard that they are pretty consistent at around 83% ethanol. I would buy a tester for sure prior to fill up.



Still trying to figure out what to do with fuel myself. :confused:

I ordered a barrel a couple of months ago and I haven't used any because no race car lol. I have no idea what may have happened since fuel prices have gone wild. Prices were up a bit for fuel since I was buying Ignite 114 for $360 a drum. It and Torco equivalent is now $420 to $460 a drum and in CA and NV it was $500 to $550 picked up. You might get a better price on Ignite since they make it back that way. I guess I guage the cost, value and benefit based on race fuel which is $11 a gallon and does not carry the benefits e85 has for our motor.

Also pump e85 can have water, grit, oil and any other contaminates that fall into a tank at the service station.

I don't expect many to follow my lead as my build and endeavor is extreme. The money I spend on consumables would pretty much fund a normals person's vehicle expenses for a year. It is the cost of entertainment for me and I make no apologize for working hard to play at this level. What I spend on the game I play ain't chit compared to arrive and drive competitive racing which cost $25k a weekend!

My humble advice is don't cheap out on fuel, fluids and filters. Do your maintenance regularly even if it doesn't need it and your motor will pay you back in longevity and reliability. I got five years out of a stock block and I only know of a couple of others that lasted as long being boosted and running them at the track.

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Spooler 07-13-2021 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4002381)
That's on my list too and I'll probably run a tank of pump gas through the system more frequently.

I hate running pump gas. That is freaking torture to a boost junkie. Ignite Red does have top end lube in it. So, I see no need.

redondoaveb 07-13-2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002398)
I hate running pump gas. That is freaking torture to a boost junkie. Ignite Red does have top end lube in it. So, I see no need.

I hate running it too. And on top of it, we only have 91. Hence why I wasn't running a tank for every few e85 tanks I went through like Seb told me I should do. I right now have an almost full tank of e85 that's going to need to be drained and thrown away. I think I'll have him pull the fuel pumps and check for sediment in the tank

redondoaveb 07-13-2021 06:48 PM

The FI Stage 1 turbos have a .86 AR turbine housing and the Stage (Seb) have a smaller .82 AR Turbine housing. I assume a larger turbine housing on the smaller Stage 1 turbos brings in more air but what is the benefit of going with a smaller housing on a larger turbo like on the Stage Seb turbos?

Elmo370z 07-13-2021 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002398)
I hate running pump gas. That is freaking torture to a boost junkie. Ignite Red does have top end lube in it. So, I see no need.

Doesn’t lube the cylinders like pump
Gas, jay went over that

Spooler 07-13-2021 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 4002419)
Doesn’t lube the cylinders like pump
Gas, jay went over that

Whatever, I am not running pump gas unless I have to get home. That's it.

Spooler 07-13-2021 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 4002413)
The FI Stage 1 turbos have a .86 AR turbine housing and the Stage (Seb) have a smaller .82 AR Turbine housing. I assume a larger turbine housing on the smaller Stage 1 turbos brings in more air but what is the benefit of going with a smaller housing on a larger turbo like on the Stage Seb turbos?

The AR is talking about the exhaust housing to intake housing size. T-2, T-3,T-4. T-6 are the housing sizes. That is the frame size of the turbo. Garret GT2860 is using a frame size of T-2. Garrett GT3076 is using a T-3 frame size. The frame size dictates how large the housing is itself. The larger the frame size, the larger the housing. You can run a larger housing with a tighter AR and get more power. That's the simple version.

redondoaveb 07-13-2021 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 4002428)
The AR is talking about the exhaust housing to intake housing size. T-2, T-3,T-4. T-6 are the housing sizes. That is the frame size of the turbo. Garret GT2860 is using a frame size of T-2. Garrett GT3076 is using a T-3 frame size. The frame size dictates how large the housing is itself. The larger the frame size, the larger the housing. You can run a larger housing with a tighter AR and get more power. That's the simple version.

:icon14: I'm glad you didn't give me the complicated version :rofl2:

Spooler 07-13-2021 08:05 PM

Here is why the FI intercooler is having issues at high HP. Very similar problem. The end caps are tiny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHUOzFu0wYY

Spooler 07-13-2021 08:26 PM

A good read. The math behind it.
https://www.garrettmotion.com/news/n...with-rob-dahm/

Spooler 07-13-2021 08:28 PM

More. In depth about AR selection.

https://www.garrettmotion.com/news/n...-turbo-system/


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