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Old 05-23-2018, 07:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What are your WHP goals?
800hp at the wheel on E85. I won't be going over 19.5psi of boost. So, whatever it makes, it makes. I should be able to hit those numbers on 18.5 psi of boost. I am staying with the stock compression ratio, 11:1.
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800hp at the wheel on E85. I won't be going over 19.5psi of boost. So, whatever it makes, it makes. I should be able to hit those numbers on 18.5 psi of boost. I am staying with the stock compression ratio, 11:1.
Just found this thread ... haven't read all the way through it yet but will offer this post for now.
My car is at MA-Motorsports as well.
They built the sleeved block with their design 11:1 CR Pistons and Carrillo H Rods.
JW Stage 2 exhaust cams.
CJM Stage 2 Fuel Rails
CJM Twin 450 Fuel Pumpsl
CJM Intercooler
E-85 flex fue
AAM Stage 2 EFR 71/63 Turbos with external waste gates
AAM upper intake
AAM oil pan
Ecutek Tune
Quaife LSD with MA-M diff cooler
OS Giken twin disc clutch

Dyno'd at 667 rwhp on their Mainline Dyno which reads 17% less than the more common Dyno Jet.
This translated to 780 rwhp on a DynoJet
Calculating BHP using Fuel Flow it came up to 1K BHP. (this factors out to 850 rwhp with a 15% hp loss due to the drivetrain)

4 boost settings on the EVC6 controller = 13 psi spring pressure | 16 psi | 20 psi | 25 psi |
My goal was 800 to 850 rwhp so I'm happy with that. The car is still streetable and reliable.

I did go down to test drive the car a few weeks ago to shake it down and find the little bugs that need attention.

The car is awesome so far - but the turbo's smoke due to poor oil drain - the location and angle of the drain from the turbo's into the oil pan does't allow for sufficient (gravity) drainage.

MA-M will have the car for a little while longer to fix that and to put in a roll bar.

Will be following your build with Great Interest !!!
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Just found this thread ... haven't read all the way through it yet but will offer this post for now.
My car is at MA-Motorsports as well.
They built the sleeved block with their design 11:1 CR Pistons and Carrillo H Rods.
JW Stage 2 exhaust cams.
CJM Stage 2 Fuel Rails
CJM Twin 450 Fuel Pumpsl
CJM Intercooler
E-85 flex fue
AAM Stage 2 EFR 71/63 Turbos with external waste gates
AAM upper intake
AAM oil pan
Ecutek Tune
Quaife LSD with MA-M diff cooler
OS Giken twin disc clutch

Dyno'd at 667 rwhp on their Mainline Dyno which reads 17% less than the more common Dyno Jet.
This translated to 780 rwhp on a DynoJet
Calculating BHP using Fuel Flow it came up to 1K BHP. (this factors out to 850 rwhp with a 15% hp loss due to the drivetrain)

4 boost settings on the EVC6 controller = 13 psi spring pressure | 16 psi | 20 psi | 25 psi |
My goal was 800 to 850 rwhp so I'm happy with that. The car is still streetable and reliable.

I did go down to test drive the car a few weeks ago to shake it down and find the little bugs that need attention.

The car is awesome so far - but the turbo's smoke due to poor oil drain - the location and angle of the drain from the turbo's into the oil pan does't allow for sufficient (gravity) drainage.

MA-M will have the car for a little while longer to fix that and to put in a roll bar.

Will be following your build with Great Interest !!!
You're the guy that is in my way. LOL I am probably not going to make my HP goals but that is OK. I am going to limit my boost to 18psi since I don't have a closed deck block or an aftermarket intake. We shall see what it makes. I think MA and the machine shop are learning more about these engines as they go and this has delayed mine a bit. I am fine with that. I am expecting to see about 650hp on their dyno. That would be 760hp on a dynojet.
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Just found this thread ... haven't read all the way through it yet but will offer this post for now.
My car is at MA-Motorsports as well.
They built the sleeved block with their design 11:1 CR Pistons and Carrillo H Rods.
JW Stage 2 exhaust cams.
CJM Stage 2 Fuel Rails
CJM Twin 450 Fuel Pumpsl
CJM Intercooler
E-85 flex fue
AAM Stage 2 EFR 71/63 Turbos with external waste gates
AAM upper intake
AAM oil pan
Ecutek Tune
Quaife LSD with MA-M diff cooler
OS Giken twin disc clutch

Dyno'd at 667 rwhp on their Mainline Dyno which reads 17% less than the more common Dyno Jet.
This translated to 780 rwhp on a DynoJet
Calculating BHP using Fuel Flow it came up to 1K BHP. (this factors out to 850 rwhp with a 15% hp loss due to the drivetrain)

4 boost settings on the EVC6 controller = 13 psi spring pressure | 16 psi | 20 psi | 25 psi |
My goal was 800 to 850 rwhp so I'm happy with that. The car is still streetable and reliable.

I did go down to test drive the car a few weeks ago to shake it down and find the little bugs that need attention.

The car is awesome so far - but the turbo's smoke due to poor oil drain - the location and angle of the drain from the turbo's into the oil pan does't allow for sufficient (gravity) drainage.

MA-M will have the car for a little while longer to fix that and to put in a roll bar.

Will be following your build with Great Interest !!!
How much boost did it take to run the 667 rwhp? Your highest of 25psi?
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How much boost did it take to run the 667 rwhp? Your highest of 25psi?
Carl told me that was the threshhold where hp increase fell off substantially.
They stopped increasing the boost when there was less than 10 hp increase per pound of boost.
He said that both the turbos and the fuel were maxed out...so it is what it is.
Forgot to mention that I'm running the ID 1300's (functioning at 85% duty cylce) since it will primarily be a pump gas car (few E-85 stations close by me in N.J.)
I probably won't have the opportunity to run it at 25 psi too often.

I will inquire about the specifics on the boost near the end of the week when I check on the progress... I'm more interested in getting the car finished up - the small details can be time consuming.

Since Daelen left a few months ago (he was the go-to guy) and they've moved to a new space in the same complex - the workload has increased and info has been slower in coming. Jon is now wearing a couple of more hats.

They did a dyno run before and after the installation of the CJM Intercooler but that was a few months apart but the results were pretty much the same on the E-85.

As Ray has always said - don't worry about the numbers - the proof is in how it drives.
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I hear ya. I have a 3 day weekend, my diff cooler is going on the car. I will be doing the wiring differently. I refuse to push a switch. I am setting mine up to run off of a thermostat/relay.
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I hear ya. I have a 3 day weekend, my diff cooler is going on the car. I will be doing the wiring differently. I refuse to push a switch. I am setting mine up to run off of a thermostat/relay.
You have the stock diff cover. So that shouldn't be an issue with using the hoses that came with it. You going to put the temp sensor in a hose? If you do. It will take longer for the heat to reach it, then having it installed in the diff cover.
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You have the stock diff cover. So that shouldn't be an issue with using the hoses that came with it. You going to put the temp sensor in a hose? If you do. It will take longer for the heat to reach it, then having it installed in the diff cover.
I have the Z1 cover. The temp sensor is at the fitting on the bottom hose. I just have to adjust what temp the cooler comes on. No worries. I have
the same type setup on my Dually's tranny cooler. Works like a charm.

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I have the Z1 cover. The temp sensor is at the fitting on the bottom hose. I just have to adjust what temp the cooler comes on. No worries. I have
the same type setup on my Dually's tranny cooler. Works like a charm.
With the Z1 cover. You planning on using the top or bottom side port? For the drain port, you using a banjo fitting? Anything else is iffy for ground clearance if you are lowered. You have to watch out for the supply hose routing with the FI exhaust cans. The front of the cooler bracket comes rel close to the cans. I had to rout my hose to the center of the bracket to get it away from the can.
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I will be using the bottom side port. All the hoses came with my kit for the Z1 cover. The bottom one is a banjo fitting from what I remember.
I need to go back and check everything. I will be placing an order with Pegusus for additional stuff if needed. I use them also.

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