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Rusty 11-23-2018 02:04 PM

If you don't want to cut holes. Think you will end up with a new hood.

Spooler 11-23-2018 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3801272)
If you don't want to cut holes. Think you will end up with a new hood.

Na, it will be TracSpec vents like you and Bob have.

Spooler 11-23-2018 05:55 PM

Went by to get a 5000lb winch and they were all sold out. Just my luck. They were on sale too.

Hotrodz 11-23-2018 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3801320)
Went by to get a 5000lb winch and they were all sold out. Just my luck. They were on sale too.

I bought a CHAMPION 3650W/4500W GEN 240V RV generator for $280 from Tractor Trailer Supply.

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Spooler 11-23-2018 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3801329)
I bought a CHAMPION 3650W/4500W GEN 240V RV generator for $280 from Tractor Trailer Supply.

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That is what I have. It works like a champ and starts the 2nd pull just about everytime.

Spooler 11-24-2018 01:08 PM

I got my new CSF radiator and 2 more liters of OS Giken diff fluid today from Z1 Motorsports. I didn't pay for Saturday delivery. Now that's what you call service. WOW.

Spooler 11-24-2018 01:11 PM

After Bob's little track fiasco, I am having all of my oil lines upgraded to XRP Racing lines via MA. They are already using them for my fuel system they are building.

URBiN~HURMiT 11-24-2018 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3758436)
800hp at the wheel on E85. I won't be going over 19.5psi of boost. So, whatever it makes, it makes. I should be able to hit those numbers on 18.5 psi of boost. I am staying with the stock compression ratio, 11:1.

Just found this thread ... haven't read all the way through it yet but will offer this post for now.
My car is at MA-Motorsports as well.
They built the sleeved block with their design 11:1 CR Pistons and Carrillo H Rods.
JW Stage 2 exhaust cams.
CJM Stage 2 Fuel Rails
CJM Twin 450 Fuel Pumpsl
CJM Intercooler
E-85 flex fue
AAM Stage 2 EFR 71/63 Turbos with external waste gates
AAM upper intake
AAM oil pan
Ecutek Tune
Quaife LSD with MA-M diff cooler
OS Giken twin disc clutch

Dyno'd at 667 rwhp on their Mainline Dyno which reads 17% less than the more common Dyno Jet.
This translated to 780 rwhp on a DynoJet
Calculating BHP using Fuel Flow it came up to 1K BHP. (this factors out to 850 rwhp with a 15% hp loss due to the drivetrain)

4 boost settings on the EVC6 controller = 13 psi spring pressure | 16 psi | 20 psi | 25 psi |
My goal was 800 to 850 rwhp so I'm happy with that. The car is still streetable and reliable.

I did go down to test drive the car a few weeks ago to shake it down and find the little bugs that need attention.

The car is awesome so far - but the turbo's smoke due to poor oil drain - the location and angle of the drain from the turbo's into the oil pan does't allow for sufficient (gravity) drainage.

MA-M will have the car for a little while longer to fix that and to put in a roll bar.

Will be following your build with Great Interest !!!

URBiN~HURMiT 11-24-2018 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3776447)
The bad thing is your car sits there while others get worked on. That's one of the things that I don't like about shops. Sometimes they load their selves up with more work then they can handle.

all part of it ... mines been at MA-M for an inch shy of 2 years as well ...
prior to that it was at AAM for almost 2 years as well ...
AAM blew the built motor and tried to cover it up.
That's why it's now at MA-M and I Highly recommend these guys.

You've probably seen my car down there ... it's the PG one with the 17" wheels and big tires.

URBiN~HURMiT 11-24-2018 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 370z2Fast (Post 3777894)
I hear you! I just started my twin turbo build. Bought the AAM Competition kit and can't wait to get this thing done. Rebuilding my engine too :happydance:

A few pointers with the AAM kit
The location of the turbos aren't conducive for efficient oil drain = turbo smoke
If you have the EFR 71/63's you definitely need the larger I/C and may want to go with external waste gates because they 'modify' the IWG actuator linkage by bending it for clearance.
I've been advised by MA-Motorsports that this can be potentially dangerous.

Good Luck with your build !!!

Spooler 11-24-2018 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3801485)
Just found this thread ... haven't read all the way through it yet but will offer this post for now.
My car is at MA-Motorsports as well.
They built the sleeved block with their design 11:1 CR Pistons and Carrillo H Rods.
JW Stage 2 exhaust cams.
CJM Stage 2 Fuel Rails
CJM Twin 450 Fuel Pumpsl
CJM Intercooler
E-85 flex fue
AAM Stage 2 EFR 71/63 Turbos with external waste gates
AAM upper intake
AAM oil pan
Ecutek Tune
Quaife LSD with MA-M diff cooler
OS Giken twin disc clutch

Dyno'd at 667 rwhp on their Mainline Dyno which reads 17% less than the more common Dyno Jet.
This translated to 780 rwhp on a DynoJet
Calculating BHP using Fuel Flow it came up to 1K BHP. (this factors out to 850 rwhp with a 15% hp loss due to the drivetrain)

4 boost settings on the EVC6 controller = 13 psi spring pressure | 16 psi | 20 psi | 25 psi |
My goal was 800 to 850 rwhp so I'm happy with that. The car is still streetable and reliable.

I did go down to test drive the car a few weeks ago to shake it down and find the little bugs that need attention.

The car is awesome so far - but the turbo's smoke due to poor oil drain - the location and angle of the drain from the turbo's into the oil pan does't allow for sufficient (gravity) drainage.

MA-M will have the car for a little while longer to fix that and to put in a roll bar.

Will be following your build with Great Interest !!!

You're the guy that is in my way. LOL I am probably not going to make my HP goals but that is OK. I am going to limit my boost to 18psi since I don't have a closed deck block or an aftermarket intake. We shall see what it makes. I think MA and the machine shop are learning more about these engines as they go and this has delayed mine a bit. I am fine with that. I am expecting to see about 650hp on their dyno. That would be 760hp on a dynojet.

URBiN~HURMiT 11-24-2018 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3788835)
Still twiddling my tumbs. Motor is still at the machine shop.:facepalm:

Mine was in the Machine Shop 6 months +
Learned not to count when I'm waiting

Spooler 11-24-2018 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3801494)
Mine was in the Machine Shop 6 months +
Learned not to count when I'm waiting

Mine has been in there for 6 months now. It will be there a couple more weeks for sure. I bought a junk yard engine to build off of. Thank goodness I still have my car at home. I will bring it up when they let me know.

URBiN~HURMiT 11-24-2018 03:30 PM

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SEMA will probably mess things up for a week. Not sure if MA is going but I would think they are. They are trying to get one of the cars in the shop finished to make room for me. I will be happy to drag my hooptie up and meet everyone. It will be the first time using the my new trailer. I still need to get a winch and battery installed.

That might be my car they're finishing up ...

URBiN~HURMiT 11-24-2018 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3798430)
Still waiting on the motor.... Happy Veterans day everyone. One thing is for sure, you never forget the ladies/fellow's you served with when it got thick. I can still see their faces just like it was yesterday. Wondering how life treated them over the years.

USAF 1966 ~ 1970
Nakhon Phanom RTAFB SEA '69 ~ '70

yep, I'm'a old guy

Spooler 11-24-2018 03:39 PM

Phunk's friends (Can't remember his user name) car made 818hp at 18.5lbs of boost on a dynojet with his tubular exhaust headers and GT3076 snails. I am very curious to see how mine does.

Spooler 11-24-2018 03:49 PM

Here his build is.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...0whp-ease.html

He also has the 1/4 record at the moment.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...rag-build.html

Spooler 11-24-2018 04:28 PM

The more I look at Streetz's dyno graphs I think we have a restriction on the exhaust side. I wish someone would measure the restriction in the exhaust manifold compared to the boost psi. This would tell us the ratio of backpressure to boost pressure. When it get's out of whack and is not keep close to a 1:1 ratio bad things will happen. Phunks's tubular exhaust manifold and his turbo size/exhaust housing AR must be on point to have made what it did on only 18.5 psi of boost on a stock engine. There is something to learn here. The more HP you can make on lower boost pressure is a big positive.

Spooler 11-24-2018 05:15 PM

Well crap. I looked up the Stage 2 Xona Rotor turbo's and they are only good for 800hp at the crank. At a 15% drivetrain loss that would be 680hp at the wheel. On the mainline dyno this would mean only 564hp at the wheel. Looks like I will be 86hp short at the wheel. We shall see if my calculations are correct. Not sure if I want to react and get 2 bigger turbo's or just stick with what I have.

Spooler 11-24-2018 05:32 PM

I need to think about this.

Rusty 11-24-2018 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3801500)
USAF 1966 ~ 1970
Nakhon Phanom RTAFB SEA '69 ~ '70

yep, I'm'a old guy

In your early 70's?

jchammond 11-24-2018 07:12 PM

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I need to think about this.



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Spooler 11-24-2018 07:25 PM

How the heck did Streetz make 818hp on only 18.5lbs of boost and a stock block. Seb had to make it happen via timing. I am scratching my head on this one.

jchammond 11-24-2018 07:34 PM

Definitely had some good ethanol fuel in system; notice AFR readings :ugh2:

Spooler 11-24-2018 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3801571)
Definitely had some good ethanol fuel in system; notice AFR readings :ugh2:

There is way more to it than that. Most folks are having to run in the 20psi of boost or more to make in the 800hp range.

Spooler 11-24-2018 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3801485)
Just found this thread ... haven't read all the way through it yet but will offer this post for now.
My car is at MA-Motorsports as well.
They built the sleeved block with their design 11:1 CR Pistons and Carrillo H Rods.
JW Stage 2 exhaust cams.
CJM Stage 2 Fuel Rails
CJM Twin 450 Fuel Pumpsl
CJM Intercooler
E-85 flex fue
AAM Stage 2 EFR 71/63 Turbos with external waste gates
AAM upper intake
AAM oil pan
Ecutek Tune
Quaife LSD with MA-M diff cooler
OS Giken twin disc clutch

Dyno'd at 667 rwhp on their Mainline Dyno which reads 17% less than the more common Dyno Jet.
This translated to 780 rwhp on a DynoJet
Calculating BHP using Fuel Flow it came up to 1K BHP. (this factors out to 850 rwhp with a 15% hp loss due to the drivetrain)

4 boost settings on the EVC6 controller = 13 psi spring pressure | 16 psi | 20 psi | 25 psi |
My goal was 800 to 850 rwhp so I'm happy with that. The car is still streetable and reliable.

I did go down to test drive the car a few weeks ago to shake it down and find the little bugs that need attention.

The car is awesome so far - but the turbo's smoke due to poor oil drain - the location and angle of the drain from the turbo's into the oil pan does't allow for sufficient (gravity) drainage.

MA-M will have the car for a little while longer to fix that and to put in a roll bar.

Will be following your build with Great Interest !!!

How much boost did it take to run the 667 rwhp? Your highest of 25psi?

URBiN~HURMiT 11-24-2018 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3801560)
In your early 70's?

Turning 71 right after Christmas ... and you ?

URBiN~HURMiT 11-25-2018 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3801581)
How much boost did it take to run the 667 rwhp? Your highest of 25psi?

Carl told me that was the threshhold where hp increase fell off substantially.
They stopped increasing the boost when there was less than 10 hp increase per pound of boost.
He said that both the turbos and the fuel were maxed out...so it is what it is.
Forgot to mention that I'm running the ID 1300's (functioning at 85% duty cylce) since it will primarily be a pump gas car (few E-85 stations close by me in N.J.)
I probably won't have the opportunity to run it at 25 psi too often.

I will inquire about the specifics on the boost near the end of the week when I check on the progress... I'm more interested in getting the car finished up - the small details can be time consuming.

Since Daelen left a few months ago (he was the go-to guy) and they've moved to a new space in the same complex - the workload has increased and info has been slower in coming. Jon is now wearing a couple of more hats.

They did a dyno run before and after the installation of the CJM Intercooler but that was a few months apart but the results were pretty much the same on the E-85.

As Ray has always said - don't worry about the numbers - the proof is in how it drives.

javi370z 11-25-2018 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3801529)
Well crap. I looked up the Stage 2 Xona Rotor turbo's and they are only good for 800hp at the crank. At a 15% drivetrain loss that would be 680hp at the wheel. On the mainline dyno this would mean only 564hp at the wheel. Looks like I will be 86hp short at the wheel. We shall see if my calculations are correct. Not sure if I want to react and get 2 bigger turbo's or just stick with what I have.

I’m on the stock motor still with the stage 2 fast intentions kit. Made 717 on 16psi. Turbos still have more left. You should be alright.

Rusty 11-25-2018 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3801625)
Turning 71 right after Christmas ... and you ?

62

Spooler 11-25-2018 03:27 AM

I already made the decision earlier tonight. I am going to stay the path that Daelen and I decided on in the beginning. I have spent enough. We shall see what I get. If I can make 622-650hp on their mainline dyno, I will be happy. That will be 720-750hp range on a dyno jet.

Spooler 11-25-2018 03:51 AM

One thing is for sure. I will not run out of fuel. I will run out of turbo first. I have looked all over the place and have not found a Fast Intentions stage 2 turbo kit on a built motor with 11:1 compression. We will all find out where the limits of these turbo's are.

jchammond 11-25-2018 04:47 AM

:icon14: Wow you’re up early :ugh:

jchammond 11-25-2018 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3801636)
One thing is for sure. I will not run out of fuel. I will run out of turbo first. I have looked all over the place and have not found a Fast Intentions stage 2 turbo kit on a built motor with 11:1 compression. We will all find out where the limits of these turbo's are.

I guarantee that your biggest issue is gonna be finding traction; You’re gonna have to keep plenty of rubbers laying around :icon17:

Spooler 11-25-2018 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3801637)
:icon14: Wow you’re up early :ugh:

You mean I was supposed to go to sleep???? What fun is that?

Spooler 11-25-2018 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3801642)
I guarantee that your biggest issue is gonna be finding traction; You’re gonna have to keep plenty of rubbers laying around :icon17:

That is all in the right foot. LOL

URBiN~HURMiT 11-25-2018 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3801631)
62

If you've a mind to have me - I'd be honored to be a part of 'The Seasoned Crew' here

Rusty 11-25-2018 01:19 PM

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If you've a mind to have me - I'd be honored to be a part of 'The Seasoned Crew' here

Welcome to the party. :tiphat: You're far enough down that rabbit hole.

URBiN~HURMiT 11-25-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3801636)
One thing is for sure. I will not run out of fuel. I will run out of turbo first. I have looked all over the place and have not found a Fast Intentions stage 2 turbo kit on a built motor with 11:1 compression. We will all find out where the limits of these turbo's are.

Stage II Fast Intentions and Stage II AAM are pretty close in actual performance.
You should be good to === GO ===
Daelen talked me in to a few things to keep my build within my goals and budget but without going overkill.
Daelen was a fan of high compression - he built his own 370z NA with 12.75:1 CR.
I had originally wanted to go 10:1 and was considering the 4.0 L stroker.
But that would've doubled the cost of the build and added another 6 months or so on to it as well.

Spooler 11-25-2018 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3801699)
If you've a mind to have me - I'd be honored to be a part of 'The Seasoned Crew' here

It's the Young Bucks Club. LOL No old farts allowed.


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