Preparation for the STILLEN supercharger

LiquidZ · 01-29-2010, 10:22 PM

I'd be shocked if its anywhere near that cost.

frost · 01-29-2010, 10:24 PM

When I twin turbod my 06 gto, it was around $10.5k after install, so I'd like to think a single SC would be much less than that. The only reason I mention the GTO is because it's an even lower production car than the Z.

Zsteve · 01-29-2010, 10:28 PM

you know selling for less can net you more as more will be sold. I really think that these companies on forums would make more money if they sold their products for less as they would sell more thhus making more. Sometimes less is more. I for one know that I dont buy as many things as I would like cuz of the prices. I feel with people saying they are willing to pay said amount on these forums that it actually influences the price. I mean if I make something and I see that people will pay 10x then what I was going to charge I would go with what they are saying. I am probably out of the SC game as I wont pay 8K plus install for one, now if I had millions then yes. Guess im down to the HFCs now and I think those are priced to high too. Just my 2 cents and rant. Those that pay Im sure will be pleased. enjoy.

1slow370 · 01-29-2010, 11:28 PM

not when the number of potential buyers is so low

10,000 installed is about right i'm talking kit price for those of us who can do it ourselves

Overhead is usually calculated out of machine rate you think they pay me 200 an hour?my guess for the closest wins game is 7500 for intercooler kit price

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2010, 09:28 AM

Well 60 lbs ahead of the front axle isn't anything to sneeze at. I'm sure you will notice a difference if you track your car.

If you're really worried about upsetting the balance that much you could compensate by relocating the battery to the rear of the car (someone here has done that). But I think for most of us who aren't competitively tracking, the extra 60lbs up front will not make enough of a difference to go through the trouble of moving things around to get back in balance.

travisjb · 01-31-2010, 10:03 AM

agree, if your car is just for the street, you are very unlikely to be held back by the weight in either acceleration or cornering/handling... and it can be remedied by shifting weight as described above. check out the weight loss (for your car!) thread for ideas, if you haven't already.

StillenZ · 01-31-2010, 03:06 PM

Kyle: I know you probably have a ton of questions to answer but if you get the time I'm really curious about the following... I was on the GTM S/C thread and these people brought up what looked like some good points to me... I don't know much on here but they seem valid:

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Originally Posted by Aldweik

(as I see it) Stillen might have a hard time getting the car to run right with the 2 MAFs on the same charge tube.... I mean I stand for correction if I'm wrong but don't banks 1 & 2 generally get different data readings and voltages respectively? How can these variables ever be safely tuned out of what the (already sensitive) ECU wants to see?

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Originally Posted by fstrnldr

Honestly yes i think the stillen piping looks like something i would see on homemade turbo .com. While i've not seen it in person, the Y portion looks like it will flow horribly. (could just be the glimpse we get in the video, i'm waiting to see it in person). If you want to continue to compare the two kits my next worry about the stillen kit would be the SC sitting so far away from engine, which seems similar to the previous vortech kits. That usually causes a lot of deflection in the bracket contributing to the belt slippage that everyone complains about. Hopefully they learned a lesson and added a way to stiffen that thing up a bit. Final concern with the stillen kit would be MAF location. i'm waiting to see where they actually put them, but i'm guessing they are going to have to share that main charge pipe. Not sure how the factory ECU is going to like that, or the fact that they are not reading a real intake air temp. Unless they add another IAT sensor post intercooler how will the tune know to change if the temp changes? I mean you can make the most efficient IC set up in the world, but it will change temps to some degree through the course of driving/racing etc, and the ECU should be able to see this to properly compensate.

Not trying to start any crazy Inner-forum gang wars but these all look like valid points and questions to me... If you get the time to answer it that would be much appreciated..

Lookin' great so far IMO... I hope everything is going smoothly and coming along faster than planned!

travisjb · 01-31-2010, 03:13 PM

...by the way, both of those guys referenced above are new to the forum and seem to me to have better than average technical knowledge... checking their profiles, one of them doesn't even indicate ownership of a 370Z and for both - most/all of their posts are limited to 1 topic... supporting statements for 'the other' SC kit... just making an observation- I think their questions are valid regardless of whether they are simply Z owners or whatever, but I am curious as to their interests in the topic

frost · 01-31-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by travisjb

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Good observation my pot stirring friend!

StillenZ · 01-31-2010, 03:16 PM

lol, I was wondering the same thing... As I said I'm a little new to all of this but someone else mentioned that in the other thread also.. like wondering where their knowledge came from... still seems valid though.. wouldn't mind hearing responses... either way I don't think its going to come down to any of the comments made..Like my daddy always says... Liars always figure and FIGURES DON'T LIE.

travisjb · 01-31-2010, 03:24 PM

so much for my ninja edit! was trying to tone it down... lol

frost · 01-31-2010, 03:25 PM

lol, there ya go!

kdoske · 01-31-2010, 06:30 PM

How can you cool the air after the MAF sensors? Just seems kinda crazy. Depending on how well the water cooler worked I would think CEL's would be thrown around some--just curious.....

Are you gonna somehow place the MAFs after the intercooler?

RCZ · 01-31-2010, 07:35 PM

I see sparks coming.

Buddy Revell · 01-31-2010, 10:43 PM

Thanks for the reply, Kyle. Like I said on the other thread, I welcome a technical conversation about the positives and negatives of both systems before I put down such a large chunk of money on either kit. I'm not on one bandwagon or another and simply want the best product I can get. Looking forward to the additional info.

01-29-2010, 10:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	I'd be shocked if its anywhere near that cost. __________________

01-29-2010, 10:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	you know selling for less can net you more as more will be sold. I really think that these companies on forums would make more money if they sold their products for less as they would sell more thhus making more. Sometimes less is more. I for one know that I dont buy as many things as I would like cuz of the prices. I feel with people saying they are willing to pay said amount on these forums that it actually influences the price. I mean if I make something and I see that people will pay 10x then what I was going to charge I would go with what they are saying. I am probably out of the SC game as I wont pay 8K plus install for one, now if I had millions then yes. Guess im down to the HFCs now and I think those are priced to high too. Just my 2 cents and rant. Those that pay Im sure will be pleased. enjoy. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

01-31-2010, 09:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Well 60 lbs ahead of the front axle isn't anything to sneeze at. I'm sure you will notice a difference if you track your car. If you're really worried about upsetting the balance that much you could compensate by relocating the battery to the rear of the car (someone here has done that). But I think for most of us who aren't competitively tracking, the extra 60lbs up front will not make enough of a difference to go through the trouble of moving things around to get back in balance. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-31-2010, 10:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 189	agree, if your car is just for the street, you are very unlikely to be held back by the weight in either acceleration or cornering/handling... and it can be remedied by shifting weight as described above. check out the weight loss (for your car!) thread for ideas, if you haven't already. __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

01-31-2010, 03:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 189	...by the way, both of those guys referenced above are new to the forum and seem to me to have better than average technical knowledge... checking their profiles, one of them doesn't even indicate ownership of a 370Z and for both - most/all of their posts are limited to 1 topic... supporting statements for 'the other' SC kit... just making an observation- I think their questions are valid regardless of whether they are simply Z owners or whatever, but I am curious as to their interests in the topic __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale Last edited by travisjb; 01-31-2010 at 03:20 PM.

01-29-2010, 10:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	When I twin turbod my 06 gto, it was around $10.5k after install, so I'd like to think a single SC would be much less than that. The only reason I mention the GTO is because it's an even lower production car than the Z.

01-29-2010, 11:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	not when the number of potential buyers is so low 10,000 installed is about right i'm talking kit price for those of us who can do it ourselves Overhead is usually calculated out of machine rate you think they pay me 200 an hour?my guess for the closest wins game is 7500 for intercooler kit price

01-31-2010, 03:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
StillenZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 283 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z Red M Rep Power: 16	lol, I was wondering the same thing... As I said I'm a little new to all of this but someone else mentioned that in the other thread also.. like wondering where their knowledge came from... still seems valid though.. wouldn't mind hearing responses... either way I don't think its going to come down to any of the comments made..Like my daddy always says... Liars always figure and FIGURES DON'T LIE. __________________ Stillen Dual Exhaust / Stillen Gen 3 Intake / Stillen Headers / Eibach Pro-Kit / Euro Fog Lamp / 1000W JL Audio Amp / 2 - 12' JBL P1222's / Pioneer In-dash Nav

01-31-2010, 03:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 189	so much for my ninja edit! was trying to tone it down... lol __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

01-31-2010, 03:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
frost Retired admin Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Winterfell Posts: 106,613 Drives: Your Wife Crazy Rep Power: 0	lol, there ya go!

01-31-2010, 06:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
kdoske Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Louisiana Posts: 541 Drives: 800whp Unicorn FI Z Rep Power: 18	How can you cool the air after the MAF sensors? Just seems kinda crazy. Depending on how well the water cooler worked I would think CEL's would be thrown around some--just curious..... Are you gonna somehow place the MAFs after the intercooler? Last edited by kdoske; 01-31-2010 at 06:32 PM.

01-31-2010, 07:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	I see sparks coming. Last edited by RCZ; 01-31-2010 at 07:50 PM.

01-31-2010, 10:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
Buddy Revell Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 303 Drives: 08 Infiniti G37 Rep Power: 17	Thanks for the reply, Kyle. Like I said on the other thread, I welcome a technical conversation about the positives and negatives of both systems before I put down such a large chunk of money on either kit. I'm not on one bandwagon or another and simply want the best product I can get. Looking forward to the additional info.

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