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Rotrex C38 based system 54 23.79%
Vortech/Procharger Based Kit 40 17.62%
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I dont want a supercharger. 24 10.57%
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Old 11-30-2016, 02:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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California guy here, not going to deal with non-CARB vehicle again.

Needs to be a CARB kit
Needs to have A2A cooler
Needs to have MAF and temp sensors in the right place
Needs to be quiet, get rid of the rattly pulley/bearing noise
Avoid needing a $1000 ECU Tuning package
Avoid needing a bunch of misc upgrades to support kit
Produce a real 500WHP with stock Cat and aftermarket exhaust
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Old 11-30-2016, 02:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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California guy here, not going to deal with non-CARB vehicle again.

Needs to be a CARB kit
Needs to have A2A cooler
Needs to have MAF and temp sensors in the right place
Needs to be quiet, get rid of the rattly pulley/bearing noise
Avoid needing a $1000 ECU Tuning package
Avoid needing a bunch of misc upgrades to support kit
Produce a real 500WHP with stock Cat and aftermarket exhaust
We will see what we can do.
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Old 11-30-2016, 03:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Can you talk a little bit about efficiencies of each option? I want my engine to last for 10+ years and 150,000+ miles. I'm looking to limit TQ to 350 FT/LBS @ the wheels. One of the reasons I would prefer turbo over SC is because with the SC, the engine needs to produce the extra power needed to run the SC, so I give up some extra wear and tear for a given HP target compared to a turbo. I've read differing views on how much power is being robbed, but that would be good info to have when comparing to turbo and even among the available SC options you've listed here.
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Id cut my hood in a minute for a roots type supercharger!!!!!
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Can you talk a little bit about efficiencies of each option? I want my engine to last for 10+ years and 150,000+ miles. I'm looking to limit TQ to 350 FT/LBS @ the wheels. One of the reasons I would prefer turbo over SC is because with the SC, the engine needs to produce the extra power needed to run the SC, so I give up some extra wear and tear for a given HP target compared to a turbo. I've read differing views on how much power is being robbed, but that would be good info to have when comparing to turbo and even among the available SC options you've listed here.
Well, let me see if I can answer myself. From Whipple's own page.

https://whipplesuperchargers.com/ind...&product_id=98

BTW, Whipple is not a Roots supercharger, it's a Twin Screw.
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BTW, Whipple is not a Roots supercharger, it's a Twin Screw.
Um, let's not start taking about "roots" or "twin screw"
There ALL top mount positive displacement superchargers
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Um, let's not start taking about "roots" or "twin screw"
There ALL top mount positive displacement superchargers

*They're* also different. I would not want a Roots type system. I also just voted for the Whipple. I think everyone should read up on the differences, and then vote for the Whipple Twin Screw.
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California guy here, not going to deal with non-CARB vehicle again.

Needs to be a CARB kit


Avoid needing a $1000 ECU Tuning package
Avoid needing a bunch of misc upgrades to support kit
Produce a real 500WHP with stock Cat and aftermarket exhaust
this is just too much. 500whp is going to require $k's in support mods, including at least $1200 in ecu and fuel tuning stuff especially if you are going to pass carb which with 500whp you won't you just can't make that power cleanly on this size motor, hell it barely passes smog as it is and you certainly arent getting to 500whp with factory cats. 400+whp and a kit that costs 7k are doable but you are still going to need a clutch unless you want to get your car painted in authentic jesus blood, sancitfied by at least an arch bishop, and pray that your stock clutch, stock fuel pump, stock cats, and stock ecu are going to hold up to double the manufactures rated horsepower. next tell him you want a 30,000mile b2b warranty while you're at it.
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We would need a newly designed strut tower brace for the root system. Correct?
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California guy here, not going to deal with non-CARB vehicle again.

Needs to be a CARB kit
Needs to have A2A cooler
Needs to have MAF and temp sensors in the right place
Needs to be quiet, get rid of the rattly pulley/bearing noise
Avoid needing a $1000 ECU Tuning package
Avoid needing a bunch of misc upgrades to support kit
Produce a real 500WHP with stock Cat and aftermarket exhaust
Yes to all of the above. **** water-to-air.

I say this as someone who runs water-to-air and plans on going air-to-air.

F-U-C-K water-to-air. End. Stop. Speaking this from personal experience.
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Yes to all of the above. **** water-to-air.

I say this as someone who runs water-to-air and plans on going air-to-air.

F-U-C-K water-to-air. End. Stop. Speaking this from personal experience.
Then you will never run a positive displacement blower as they require Water and Water only. Water to air isn't terrible. It only is when it's under engineered for a given amount of horsepower.

PD blowers can make some insane power and keep intake temps under control, when they are designed correctly.

To say they are Crap is saying that cars like the cts-v is Crap. Guys are pushing that setup to over 750whp, on water without issues. It was done right.

Daily driven Whipple vettes and stangs are making 800+ to the wheels on water all day.

Don't count it out, but the design needs to be legit.
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Then you will never run a positive displacement blower as they require Water and Water only. Water to air isn't terrible. It only is when it's under engineered for a given amount of horsepower.

PD blowers can make some insane power and keep intake temps under control, when they are designed correctly.

To say they are Crap is saying that cars like the cts-v is Crap. Guys are pushing that setup to over 750whp, on water without issues. It was done right.

Daily driven Whipple vettes and stangs are making 800+ to the wheels on water all day.

Don't count it out, but the design needs to be legit.
That's good to know.

I'll be switching to your A2A once I get my tax return by the way.
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