Critique my parts list...

ChaseZ · 12-01-2016, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stansens

I can recommend the Gale single pod as mine is excellent work done. Jason lives in the Durham Region of Ontario. Nice guy.

He is a good guy. I've bought from him before.

Jayhovah · 12-02-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ

I haven't attached dollar amounts to each line item on my list thus far and totalled it. Maybe I'm better off not doing that lol

Do you have any pics of yours?

IMHO saving a few hundred bucks here and there (or at least having that mentality) is one thing that helps me keep my TT budget under control and far away from the 20k estimates that so many people throw around here. So I say total it up =)

I was a little hesitant to post pics of my pillar pod because I am not 100% happy with it and plan to work it a little more in the future... but here ya go! =)

ChaseZ · 12-02-2016, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah

IMHO saving a few hundred bucks here and there (or at least having that mentality) is one thing that helps me keep my TT budget under control and far away from the 20k estimates that so many people throw around here. So I say total it up =)

I was a little hesitant to post pics of my pillar pod because I am not 100% happy with it and plan to work it a little more in the future... but here ya go! =)

( Click to show/hide )

Saving a few hundred here and there is exactly what I'm trying to do. Before you know if you've saved a grand, then two..

The pictures aren't the best but from what I can see so far that pod is looking great! Definitely want to see it when it's done.

I started thinking yesterday I might just recess the gauge into the center cubby and even leave the lid on for a bit of a stealth look. Easy enough to pop it open when I want to see it. And still leave room for my sunglasses, which is pretty much the only thing I ever put in there anyways. Plus the price on install is $0.00

Jayhovah · 12-02-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ

Saving a few hundred here and there is exactly what I'm trying to do. Before you know if you've saved a grand, then two..

The pictures aren't the best but from what I can see so far that pod is looking great! Definitely want to see it when it's done.

I started thinking yesterday I might just recess the gauge into the center cubby and even leave the lid on for a bit of a stealth look. Easy enough to pop it open when I want to see it. And still leave room for my sunglasses, which is pretty much the only thing I ever put in there anyways. Plus the price on install is $0.00

I am always a fan of $0.00!!!!

Yeah sorry the pics are so junky... I just snapped them this morning when I pulled the car out, but I was already late for work. =) Hopefully I will have a chance to redo it some time... since it's currently functional redoing it has moved to the back of the list =) I'll be happy if it gets done some time in the summer.

ChaseZ · 12-02-2016, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah

since it's currently functional redoing it has moved to the back of the list =) I'll be happy if it gets done some time in the summer.

I hear that. From what I can see it looks darn good though, more than good enough for the time being.

Can't wait til I've collected enough parts to start this install

Jayhovah · 12-02-2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ

Oil Pan?

I love my Gamma oil pan. No oil cooler, TT, and Florida summer heat and so far no oil temp problems. I do not track, though, so I can not speak to the performance in that setting. Also changing the oil filter is more of a pain.. planning to relocate mine.

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ

Should I/Am I going to need a fuel pressure regulator?

Think I'll back down to 750 injectors. The 1000 was just in case I ever ran e85 but the closest pump is like 10 hours drive from here lol. Will plan on having a 103 race gas map however.

What are your power goals again? If you are going to skip E85 and 1000cc injectors... you can probably also skip the regulator, fuel return, Walbro 485 pump/accessories as well. Just retrofit the stock assembly with an Aeromotive 340 to go with your 750cc injectors and factory pressure regulator/fuel system. This would save a huge chunk.

FYI - I am only running 600cc injectors and a Walbro 255 in my otherwise-stock fuel system and have not had issues though I do feel it is a little small. If I had to do it over again I would do what I suggested above. This all depends on goals of course. I am in the mid 500's and do not have plans of increasing.

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ

I hear that. From what I can see it looks darn good though, more than good enough for the time being.

Can't wait til I've collected enough parts to start this install

Thanks!

I would recommend you start installing anything you can right away to save time later... for instance, go ahead and install/wire your gauges and route the sensor wiring to the engine compartment.. That will save you at least half a day when you are like THIS CLOSE to driving it for the first time =)

Also anything you can complete in stages and will help, especially if you have parts ahead of time. For instance, install the whole fuel system and ask Seb to provide you a stock Map scaled for the bigger injectors... That way you can check-out that portion of the build and troubleshoot it without having changed a bunch of other things (if necessary)... and it will save you a day or more when you get the parts for the rest of the install.

Looking forward to your build!!

ChaseZ · 12-02-2016, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah

What are your power goals again? If you are going to skip E85 and 1000cc injectors... you can probably also skip the regulator, fuel return, Walbro 485 pump/accessories as well. Just retrofit the stock assembly with an Aeromotive 340 to go with your 750cc injectors and factory pressure regulator/fuel system. This would save a huge chunk.

FYI - I am only running 600cc injectors and a Walbro 255 in my otherwise-stock fuel system and have not had issues though I do feel it is a little small. If I had to do it over again I would do what I suggested above. This all depends on goals of course. I am in the mid 500's and do not have plans of increasing.

Looking forward to your build!!

If I can hit 500whp I'll be a real happy camper. How realistic that is I'm not sure, but it's a goal regardless. 450 would be acceptable but would leave me wanting more I think.

I was starting to think along the same lines. That Walbro is only $135 from Seb so don't mind that cost. The CJ hat and return system is a like $400 not including the regulator which is another couple hundred, so might consider holding off on that and see how it goes. There's another $600 plus shipping I can try and get away with - and can always add later if need be.

What are you running for a clutch? That's one area prices are all over the map. Seb did recommend his kit for $1500 plus the CSC, but realize there are some lower price alternatives. Looking at maybe a Southbend Stage 3 for $600 plus flywheel and CSC. There is another $500 at least back into the budget.

There, just potentially saved $1200 usd. I certainly don't want to take a chance at running lean and causing problems though, so whatever my list changes I will certainly float past Seb for his expert opinion. He is the one that has to tune the car with these parts at the end of the day!

I've been told a way to save on the A/A and yield similar results but want more information on it first. Theoretically there's another $1000 to be saved easily but am approaching this cautiously.

I don't expect to pare it down to nothing, and don't want to push things into the trouble zone but not getting things I certainly should, but Im pretty sure there is middle ground to be found where things will still work out as planned.

Chuck33079 · 12-02-2016, 02:22 PM

Skip the Specialty Z clutch. Buy it from Z1 or Zspeed. Specialty Z royally ****** me over with a defective clutch that ended up costing me an extra $1k between labor to replace it and the rental car while it was down. Plus they're the kind of guys that tell you they'll pay some of the labor overage, and then weasel out of it once it comes time to pay up.

Jayhovah · 12-02-2016, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ

If I can hit 500whp I'll be a real happy camper. How realistic that is I'm not sure, but it's a goal regardless. 450 would be acceptable but would leave me wanting more I think.

I was starting to think along the same lines. That Walbro is only $135 from Seb so don't mind that cost. The CJ hat and return system is a like $400 not including the regulator which is another couple hundred, so might consider holding off on that and see how it goes. There's another $600 plus shipping I can try and get away with - and can always add later if need be.

What are you running for a clutch? That's one area prices are all over the map. Seb did recommend his kit for $1500 plus the CSC, but realize there are some lower price alternatives. Looking at maybe a Southbend Stage 3 for $600 plus flywheel and CSC. There is another $500 at least back into the budget.

There, just potentially saved $1200 usd. I certainly don't want to take a chance at running lean and causing problems though, so whatever my list changes I will certainly float past Seb for his expert opinion. He is the one that has to tune the car with these parts at the end of the day!

I've been told a way to save on the A/A and yield similar results but want more information on it first. Theoretically there's another $1000 to be saved easily but am approaching this cautiously.

I don't expect to pare it down to nothing, and don't want to push things into the trouble zone but not getting things I certainly should, but Im pretty sure there is middle ground to be found where things will still work out as planned.

The walbro pump is reasonable! I don't know what all you need to install it though - the Aeromotive unit will retrofit into the factory assembly pretty inexpensively.

For clutch I went with the Z1 Clutch/Flywheel setup and ZSpeed HDCSC (That I scored for $200 new in the classifieds!) - it's way cheaper than any other combo. I am perfectly happy with it, and the full face disk handles my torque just fine. Drives a lot like OEM with a little more pedal effort.

The CSC elimination kits seem to be increasing in popularity, but the HDCSC gets the job done perfectly fine, is cheaper, is closer to the design intended by the Nissan engineers and will be compatible with other mods.... For the sake of example - if you decided you wanted to do a bigger power build in the future and bought yourself a BP kit, I am pretty sure any of the CSC Elimination kits would be incompatible. I think people are jumping all over the elimination kits because the OEM CSC is such a PITA its like of like giving whatever QA jerk who approved that part a big middle finger. And it feels good to give that guy the finger. (Not to be confused with fingering that guy, which also may feel good depending on your persuasion).

I would absolutely NOT skip the Air-to-Air kit... Even if you get over the heat soak issues with the stillen design, keeping your ECU in the dark about what your intake temps are seems like a recipe for disaster to me.

ChaseZ · 12-02-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah

The walbro pump is reasonable! I don't know what all you need to install it though - the Aeromotive unit will retrofit into the factory assembly pretty inexpensively.

For clutch I went with the Z1 Clutch/Flywheel setup and ZSpeed HDCSC (That I scored for $200 new in the classifieds!) - it's way cheaper than any other combo. I am perfectly happy with it, and the full face disk handles my torque just fine. Drives a lot like OEM with a little more pedal effort.

The CSC elimination kits seem to be increasing in popularity, but the HDCSC gets the job done perfectly fine, is cheaper, is closer to the design intended by the Nissan engineers and will be compatible with other mods.... For the sake of example - if you decided you wanted to do a bigger power build in the future and bought yourself a BP kit, I am pretty sure any of the CSC Elimination kits would be incompatible. I think people are jumping all over the elimination kits because the OEM CSC is such a PITA its like of like giving whatever QA jerk who approved that part a big middle finger. And it feels good to give that guy the finger. (Not to be confused with fingering that guy, which also may feel good depending on your persuasion).

I would absolutely NOT skip the Air-to-Air kit... Even if you get over the heat soak issues with the stillen design, keeping your ECU in the dark about what your intake temps are seems like a recipe for disaster to me.

I looked at that Z1 full face clutch kit as well; they also offer it with the CSC elimination kit at a bit of a savings. I was wondering about pedal pressure with the EK. I actually do want more pressure than OEM just don't want to overdo it. I drive the car just about daily in the spring/summer/fall.

Clutch is further down the list anyhow. I'll get to it, but prioritize the other things first. Same with the locker.

I don't mean skip the air to air, just piecing it together a different way. Still moving the MAF up the charge pipe towards the TB'S, still putting filter right on the blower, adding big intercooler etc. However these guys are leaving the aftercooler in place which I'm not sure I agree with. When I have and understand all the info that's been mentioned to me about building it that way I'll pass it along and see if it passes muster. I have ZERO intention of running the Stillen kit as is.

Install kit for the Walbro is like $30-40.

No fingering going on either way lol

Jayhovah · 12-02-2016, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ

I don't mean skip the air to air, just piecing it together a different way. Still moving the MAF up the charge pipe towards the TB'S, still putting filter right on the blower, adding big intercooler etc. However these guys are leaving the aftercooler in place which I'm not sure I agree with. When I have and understand all the info that's been mentioned to me about building it that way I'll pass it along and see if it passes muster. I have ZERO intention of running the Stillen kit as is.

Install kit for the Walbro is like $30-40.

Ohh OK =) Good thing! If you do your own setup, you might consider stealing some design ideas from my Gamma V3 TT kit which relocates the power steering cooler more inboard (you could probably buy that bracket from them) so that you can bring the intercooler closer in. That way you can fit the OEM tow bar with some spacers instead of getting rid of it or having to buy the FI bar.

Good to know on the Walbro install kit! I don't have plans to upgrade, but you never know =)

Jayhovah · 12-02-2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Skip the Specialty Z clutch. Buy it from Z1 or Zspeed. Specialty Z royally ****** me over with a defective clutch that ended up costing me an extra $1k between labor to replace it and the rental car while it was down. Plus they're the kind of guys that tell you they'll pay some of the labor overage, and then weasel out of it once it comes time to pay up.

I love this forum, but it has a glaring weakness in how vendors are handled. I nominate Chuck to handle this part of it from here on out (you should start with Mishimoto).

Chuck33079 · 12-02-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah

I love this forum, but it has a glaring weakness in how vendors are handled. I nominate Chuck to handle this part of it from here on out (you should start with Mishimoto).

On day one of my reign..err administration, the heads of Mishimoto and Evo-R will be on spikes outside my evil lair.

ChaseZ · 12-02-2016, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah

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Read through your build thread... that was a hell of a journey!

Jayhovah · 12-02-2016, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ

Read through your build thread... that was a hell of a journey!

It was an emotional rollercoaster.

Here is the thread with all the pics and vids..
Jayhovah's Gamma V3 TT Install Pic/Video Dump

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Skip the Specialty Z clutch. Buy it from Z1 or Zspeed. Specialty Z royally ****** me over with a defective clutch that ended up costing me an extra $1k between labor to replace it and the rental car while it was down. Plus they're the kind of guys that tell you they'll pay some of the labor overage, and then weasel out of it once it comes time to pay up. Presto and 2011 Nismo#91 like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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