Topgunz - air to air upgrade

Senna-F1 · 11-08-2017, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

There were some but I think photobuckets lameness has made them all unviewable. I will have to get some up here soon.

The Google Chrome Photobucket plug-in is wonderful!

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...giikdkpmcpkaon

For viewing attached images, you can always click the paper clip you see in the thread title on the main "Forced Induction" page

turtle64b · 11-08-2017, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bcfromfl

Forgive this post if I've missed a dyno sheet somewhere in the bowels of this thread, but does anyone have one they could toss on here? Much appreciated! Especially awesome if it has before/after graph...

The link to my post about before/after: Turtle64b's Stillen Build Thread

I have another dyno day on December 9th to try again on the correct tune revision.

bcfromfl · 11-08-2017, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by turtle64b

The link to my post about before/after: Turtle64b's Stillen Build Thread

I have another dyno day on December 9th to try again on the correct tune revision.

Thanks much for the link to your build page! Very helpful to compare against Seb's dyno on one of his blogs. You're touching 300tq at about 4.6k, while Seb's graph hits 300tq at 5.5k. Even though he puts out higher peak hp, your car has a better curve.

It would be interesting to compare the differences between the curves with an A2A setup that's putting out torque numbers in the 425 range or so.

TopgunZ · 11-08-2017, 08:19 PM

When mine was making only 485whp I had 300wtq By 3.5k. It's the red line. Blue is a buddies 370 with a turbo.

imazman · 11-09-2017, 06:53 AM

Not to change the current topic but I just read two more small pros for Air-to-Air over Water-to-Air.

- A2A system has less weight
- If the intercooler fails for whatever reason and leaks into engine...bye bye engine.

Albeit, these are small compared to the main reasons...
- Reliability and safety for the engine when frequently using boost.
- Reduces heat soak issues
- Improves performance
- Reduced system complexity
- Reduction of under hood components

Only pro for W2A that I see is for people only doing drag strip runs and they can have a cold car at the line and option to use ice.

/Z/

TopgunZ · 11-09-2017, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by imazman

Not to change the current topic but I just read two more small pros for Air-to-Air over Water-to-Air.

- A2A system has less weight
- If the intercooler fails for whatever reason and leaks into engine...bye bye engine.

Albeit, these are small compared to the main reasons...
- Reliability and safety for the engine when frequently using boost.
- Reduces heat soak issues
- Improves performance
- Reduced system complexity
- Reduction of under hood components

Only pro for A2A that I see is for people only doing drag strip runs and they can have a cold car at the line and option to use ice.

/Z/

The top is all true statements. But ....I think you meant W2A in this last sentence in bold. Might want to edit that.

imazman · 11-09-2017, 08:29 AM

Oh sheet yes my mistake...i will edit. Tx!!!

redondoaveb · 11-10-2017, 09:04 AM

Supercharger install is complete. Hopefully going to Seb early next week. Thanks goes out to Topgunz, Tbatt, CJM and Lspec (who did the install).
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbSgzKch3ZR/

bcfromfl · 11-09-2017, 06:55 AM

Impressive! Thanks for posting it, Topz!

overtureZ · 11-10-2017, 09:38 AM

Here is a shot of mine, did the SC install and the A2A install myself, quite the project!

Got my man Jon @ Z1 helping me with a remote tune until my appointment their on the 18th!

tweZ74 · 11-11-2017, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by overtureZ

Here is a shot of mine, did the SC install and the A2A install myself, quite the project!

Got my man Jon @ Z1 helping me with a remote tune until my appointment their on the 18th!

On a scale of 1 - 10 how difficult of a project was this to install? (10 being the most difficult) also how long did it take you? Thanks much!

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TopgunZ · 11-10-2017, 09:52 AM

Looking good guys. Post up those dyno sheets. Don't forget to tell the tuner to hook up the boost source to the dyno.

overtureZ · 11-10-2017, 11:36 AM

Boost source?

TopgunZ · 11-10-2017, 02:45 PM

So you can get it on your graph, to see your boost curve.,

turtle64b · 11-11-2017, 11:03 AM

I would say the install length depends on how mechanically inclined and organized you are. The install would have taken me alone probably 4 solid days. I am mechanically inclined, I made a binder with all of the install instructions that I could check off as I did them and I only drank moderately lol. With that said, some issues with the SC and my fuel system had the car down for a grand total of a month, I believe. I would probably give it a 5 on the difficulty scale.

EDIT: I also installed the CJM S1-SE fuel return system, billet tophat, AEM? Fuel pump relay/upgraded wiring, and the AMS lightweight crank pulley.

11-08-2017, 08:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6835	When mine was making only 485whp I had 300wtq By 3.5k. It's the red line. Blue is a buddies 370 with a turbo. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM Last edited by TopgunZ; 11-08-2017 at 08:34 PM.

11-09-2017, 06:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
imazman Base Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: PA Posts: 120 Drives: 11' 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 13	Not to change the current topic but I just read two more small pros for Air-to-Air over Water-to-Air. - A2A system has less weight - If the intercooler fails for whatever reason and leaks into engine...bye bye engine. Albeit, these are small compared to the main reasons... - Reliability and safety for the engine when frequently using boost. - Reduces heat soak issues - Improves performance - Reduced system complexity - Reduction of under hood components Only pro for W2A that I see is for people only doing drag strip runs and they can have a cold car at the line and option to use ice. /Z/ Last edited by imazman; 11-09-2017 at 08:30 AM.

11-10-2017, 09:38 AM	#10 (permalink)
overtureZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Middle TN Age: 32 Posts: 319 Drives: Da Boosted Z Rep Power: 11	Here is a shot of mine, did the SC install and the A2A install myself, quite the project! Got my man Jon @ Z1 helping me with a remote tune until my appointment their on the 18th! __________________ Auto/Z Enthusiast - Mechanical Engineer - Fabricator - Do it for dale Last edited by overtureZ; 11-10-2017 at 09:40 AM.

11-10-2017, 09:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6835	Looking good guys. Post up those dyno sheets. Don't forget to tell the tuner to hook up the boost source to the dyno. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

11-10-2017, 11:36 AM	#13 (permalink)
overtureZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Middle TN Age: 32 Posts: 319 Drives: Da Boosted Z Rep Power: 11	Boost source? __________________ Auto/Z Enthusiast - Mechanical Engineer - Fabricator - Do it for dale

11-09-2017, 08:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
imazman Base Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: PA Posts: 120 Drives: 11' 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 13	Oh sheet yes my mistake...i will edit. Tx!!!

11-10-2017, 09:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
redondoaveb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: So. Commiefornia Posts: 6,382 Drives: 2014 Nismo Gunmetal Rep Power: 2684376	Supercharger install is complete. Hopefully going to Seb early next week. Thanks goes out to Topgunz, Tbatt, CJM and Lspec (who did the install). https://www.instagram.com/p/BbSgzKch3ZR/

11-09-2017, 06:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
bcfromfl Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Youngstown, FL Posts: 256 Drives: 2015 PW Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 10	Impressive! Thanks for posting it, Topz!

11-10-2017, 02:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6835	So you can get it on your graph, to see your boost curve., __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

11-11-2017, 11:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
turtle64b Track Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Granbury, TX Posts: 550 Drives: '11 SC Blue 7AT Rep Power: 3367	I would say the install length depends on how mechanically inclined and organized you are. The install would have taken me alone probably 4 solid days. I am mechanically inclined, I made a binder with all of the install instructions that I could check off as I did them and I only drank moderately lol. With that said, some issues with the SC and my fuel system had the car down for a grand total of a month, I believe. I would probably give it a 5 on the difficulty scale. EDIT: I also installed the CJM S1-SE fuel return system, billet tophat, AEM? Fuel pump relay/upgraded wiring, and the AMS lightweight crank pulley. Last edited by turtle64b; 11-11-2017 at 11:33 AM. Reason: Clarify installed parts

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