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PongSanity 02-08-2016 12:47 PM

THMotorsports is a good vendor to buy from.... innovate gauges ftw....

hc_416 02-08-2016 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3407280)
I was questioning it when I saw it was less than $100. I paid $525 new when it was still available just for the Multi-gauge and two sensors. The extra 2 sensors were over $100/ea.

Sorry to hear you got scammed. Did you pay with PayPal?

I paypaled, I will be able to get all my money back, it was only 95 bucks all in all. Greddy is going to cancel my order too so I am lucky.

hc_416 02-08-2016 10:00 PM

hahaha I got liked for being a dumbass made my day after being out on telephone poles all day.

jwick 02-08-2016 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3407901)
I paypaled, I will be able to get all my money back, it was only 95 bucks all in all. Greddy is going to cancel my order too so I am lucky.


Order for what? The sensors?

jwick 02-08-2016 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3407903)
hahaha I got liked for being a dumbass made my day after being out on telephone poles all day.


You were on the pole all day:wtf2:

hc_416 02-09-2016 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3407920)
You were on the pole all day:wtf2:

That's what she said?:stirthepot:

hc_416 02-09-2016 09:42 PM

So I picked up the innvoate oil temp/pressure gauge and there A/F gauge. I think I will skip the wrap and turbo bag for the time being. I do not see much to gain, the turbo is on the bottom, and the probability of getting fluid on it is not a risk I would like to take for 5 degrees. I believe it is on to the clutch next!

Chuck33079 02-09-2016 09:48 PM

BP turbo build/advice
 
Skipping the heat wrap is a bad call. It'll never be easier. It keeps everything around it from getting toasted. It's a hell of a lot more than a 5 degree reduction. Plus, keeping the heat inside the pipes helps velocity, which helps spool.

xnick101 02-09-2016 10:24 PM

I am 2 pages late but hc_416 what clutch are you going with? I am looking for a clutch as I am planning to go boost my g37 soon. Also will be my daily so hoping I can find one with relatively similar to stock clutch feel.

hc_416 02-09-2016 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3408901)
Skipping the heat wrap is a bad call. It'll never be easier. It keeps everything around it from getting toasted. It's a hell of a lot more than a 5 degree reduction. Plus, keeping the heat inside the pipes helps velocity, which helps spool.

I'm not taking the headers off and if it gets oil/fuel doesn't it go up quick? I also have lightened fly wheel, carbon fiber drive shaft to and I went with the bb for the quicker spool. Does it make that much of a difference?

And for the clutch not sure yet I want O.S.Giken but I think they might be a little overpriced. I have my Southbend on there now and I am thinking about giving them a look.

Chuck33079 02-09-2016 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3408918)
I'm not taking the headers off and if it gets oil/fuel doesn't it go up quick? I also have lightened fly wheel, carbon fiber drive shaft to and I went with the bb for the quicker spool. Does it make that much of a difference?



And for the clutch not sure yet I want O.S.Giken but I think they might be a little overpriced. I have my Southbend on there now and I am thinking about giving them a look.


You don't wrap the headers, wrap the crossover pipe and the downpipe. Wrapped or not, if you leak fuel on the turbo you've got a major problem. Plus, if you don't wrap, all of the plastic connectors anywhere near the hot stuff will get crispy and brittle. It's a mistake to skip the heat management.

PongSanity 02-10-2016 06:42 AM

Do the heat wrap at minimum.... turbos and their piping gets pretty hot and the VQ platform already known for their overheating issues. take a few nights and wrap them. look at this review for instance... at the very end note what happens... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m3D08CTOCU

PongSanity 02-10-2016 06:53 AM

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hc_416 02-10-2016 09:39 AM

were should I buy the heat wrap and turbo blanket from? Also how much do I need? Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it!

Chuck33079 02-10-2016 09:46 AM

DEI titanium. I get mine from Summit, but you can get it anywhere.

1cleanZ 02-10-2016 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3408901)
Skipping the heat wrap is a bad call. It'll never be easier. It keeps everything around it from getting toasted. It's a hell of a lot more than a 5 degree reduction. Plus, keeping the heat inside the pipes helps velocity, which helps spool.

Couldn't agree more, and now is the time to do it while everything is fresh and clean prior to install.

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Originally Posted by xnick101 (Post 3408912)
I am 2 pages late but hc_416 what clutch are you going with? I am looking for a clutch as I am planning to go boost my g37 soon. Also will be my daily so hoping I can find one with relatively similar to stock clutch feel.

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3408918)
And for the clutch not sure yet I want O.S.Giken but I think they might be a little overpriced. I have my Southbend on there now and I am thinking about giving them a look.

For clutch flywheel, Southbend, Specialty Z, and OS Giken should definitely be at the top of your lists paired with Motul or Redline fluids. Hit up Next Level Performance for all your clutch/flywheel upgrades.

PongSanity 02-10-2016 04:09 PM

Amazon. either two 50' or one 100' of heat wrap will be fine.... Sasha (boosted performance) can supply the turbo bag for sure....

jwick 02-10-2016 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck33079 (Post 3409164)
dei titanium. I get mine from summit, but you can get it anywhere.


^^this^^

xnick101 02-10-2016 08:16 PM

This maybe a dumb question so please don't kill me. But can you run the stock flywheel (lets just say it had very low mileage) and just switch the clutch when going turbo?

jwick 02-10-2016 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xnick101 (Post 3409973)
This maybe a dumb question so please don't kill me. But can you run the stock flywheel (lets just say it had very low mileage) and just switch the clutch when going turbo?


As long as the pressure plate you select bolts up to the OEM flywheel you should be fine.

Chuck33079 02-10-2016 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xnick101 (Post 3409973)
This maybe a dumb question so please don't kill me. But can you run the stock flywheel (lets just say it had very low mileage) and just switch the clutch when going turbo?


You could, but ditching the stock dual mass flywheel is a very noticeable and worthwhile upgrade. Flywheels aren't that expensive in the context of a turbo build. The only drawback is really the increase in noise.

hc_416 02-10-2016 10:38 PM

So I look at Summit racing, What do you guys use to tie it to the pipes, and how many ties should I get? Also should I get the t4 turbo blanket?

Chuck33079 02-10-2016 10:40 PM

Just get a roll of safety wire and the pliers. Don't use the ties.

jwick 02-10-2016 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3410050)
So I look at Summit racing, What do you guys use to tie it to the pipes, and how many ties should I get? Also should I get the t4 turbo blanket?


Safety wire is the way to go.

Yes, T4.

PongSanity 02-11-2016 07:03 AM

are you guys talking about this?

Summit Racing® Safety Wire SUM-920003 - Free Shipping on Orders Over $99 at Summit Racing

I was gonna get the locking ties.

Amazon.com: DEI 010201 8" Stainless Steel Locking Ties - Pack of 8: Car Electronics

Chuck33079 02-11-2016 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PongSanity (Post 3410143)

Yes. Use the safety wire. Those ties SUCK.

hc_416 02-11-2016 09:49 AM

So I bought 100 FT roll of wrap and the safety wire. Were should I get the turbo blanket from Sasha or summit/ebay?

hc_416 02-11-2016 09:53 AM

OP updated

jwick 02-11-2016 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3410346)
So I bought 100 FT roll of wrap and the safety wire. Were should I get the turbo blanket from Sasha or summit/ebay?

I would order the DEI blanket from Summit.

hc_416 02-12-2016 09:35 AM

I got the heat wrap and blanket now, so next thing I wanted to work on was the fuel system. What type of return style are guys useing? I like the CJM S1-S Fuel System, VQ37VHR does anyone run this and how is it? If not are there other options out there? thank for the help btw.

PongSanity 02-12-2016 01:15 PM

cjm s1 fuel return system. no need for the s1-s (fuel rails are the difference). the other is the Fast Intentions fuel return system. same style as CJM but costs a bit more.

Chuck33079 02-12-2016 01:22 PM

BP turbo build/advice
 
For reasonable stock block power levels, the return is overkill. The fuel system as provided by Sasha is enough to get you safely into the 500 range on 93.

hc_416 02-12-2016 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3412144)
For reasonable stock block power levels, the return is overkill. The fuel system as provided by Sasha is enough to get you safely into the 500 range on 93.

In my old Honda (yes Honda) without a return system, the last two cylinder's on the engine would get less fuel; that is why I was considering this. Is this true for the vq? Also I do want to bring the kit to 7200 rpm and I don't want be to lean up top or have a problem. So am I looking to much into this? I did want to shoot for 500-550. The shop I will be at has a mustang dyno and it reads kind of low. For reference I posted two dynos a few weeks back. Thanks man.
:tiphat:

TcRocket 02-12-2016 03:58 PM

Anyone know of any good tuners in tri state area. Michigan, Ohio, Indiana?

jwick 02-12-2016 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3412278)
In my old Honda (yes Honda) without a return system, the last two cylinder's on the engine would get less fuel; that is why I was considering this. Is this true for the vq? Also I do want to bring the kit to 7200 rpm and I don't want be to lean up top or have a problem. So am I looking to much into this? I did want to shoot for 500-550. The shop I will be at has a mustang dyno and it reads kind of low. For reference I posted two dynos a few weeks back. Thanks man.
:tiphat:

I'm running the stock returnless fuel system. Only changes I've made in fuel are the ones provided by Sasha (pump/injectors/relay). Going with a S1 isn't a bad idea and I'm leaning that way when I go E85. I'm currently running 510whp on 93oct and I monitor my fuel pressure all the time and it never dips even full load.

TcRocket 02-12-2016 07:06 PM

What's your gauge setup look like for fuel pressure. Trying to find a multigauge with oil and fuel pressure. Just ordered innovate ebc

hc_416 02-12-2016 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TcRocket (Post 3412449)
What's your gauge setup look like for fuel pressure. Trying to find a multigauge with oil and fuel pressure. Just ordered innovate ebc

Wasnt going to have one, but if i buy the fuel return it has it in the engine bay. I have the afr and oil temp/pressure from Innvoate and my boost read out will come from my Greddy Profec.

jwick 02-12-2016 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3412453)
Wasnt going to have one, but if i buy the fuel return it has it in the engine bay. I have the afr and oil temp/pressure from Innvoate and my boost read out will come from my Greddy Profec.


I swapped the local gauge on Phunk's fitting to a pressure sender. It was just another plug for the Greddy multi-gauge

hc_416 02-13-2016 01:23 PM

Looks like i'm am going to go with the s1-s fuel upgrade. I emailed CJM to make sure it fits and for a little more input on what he thinks. For 900 bucks I can upgrade most of the fuel parts and not have to worry about it. You also have to work on the fuel system any way. After having a the lean condition on my last car I don't want to have to worry about that. Now only if I could get a Honda six speed in the G37!

PongSanity 02-13-2016 03:36 PM

VQ37VHR in a civic.... Game changer bro... Lol... I'm going with the s1 fuel return Just to be safe. If I upgrade and fuel expansion then I'll buy the rails.


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