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hc_416 02-13-2016 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PongSanity (Post 3412944)
VQ37VHR in a civic.... Game changer bro... Lol... I'm going with the s1 fuel return Just to be safe. If I upgrade and fuel expansion then I'll buy the rails.


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I had a 03 accord coupe six speed. By far the best shiftier, only Porsche was better. Had carbon synchronous! smooth as butter!

TcRocket 02-14-2016 02:50 AM

Fuel pressure gauge questions have been answered. Now to oil pressure gauge. How important is that given in event of low oil pressure a light will be activated? I'm going with innovate boost control that will show a/f and boost psi and also had safety cut for low a/f. Just trying to figure out if I need two gauge or one gauge pod.

PongSanity 02-14-2016 06:12 AM

The innovate oil pressure/temp gauge has settings for when it gets too hot or pressure gets low.


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TcRocket 02-14-2016 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PongSanity (Post 3413294)
The innovate oil pressure/temp gauge has settings for when it gets too hot or pressure gets low.


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Car already has oil temp gauge and has a light for low oil pressure. So I a gauge needed for oil psi?

1cleanZ 02-14-2016 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 3412144)
For reasonable stock block power levels, the return is overkill. The fuel system as provided by Sasha is enough to get you safely into the 500 range on 93.

I would actually disagree. Having the proper fuel system in these cars is probably the 2nd most important thing to have besides a proper tune. Will Sasha's supplied fuel system components work? Yes, but is the CJM system overkill? Not by anymeans. I would highly recommend running a fuel return for anyone running forced induction. Being very close with Tony@FI, I know first hand the amount of tuning they did and reasoning behind them coming out with their own fuel return. On the upper end, if and when the fuel leans out is when any forced induction application has had issues. The fuel return ultimately eliminates this all together and gives great piece of mind.

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3412881)
Looks like i'm am going to go with the s1-s fuel upgrade. I emailed CJM to make sure it fits and for a little more input on what he thinks. For 900 bucks I can upgrade most of the fuel parts and not have to worry about it. You also have to work on the fuel system any way. After having a the lean condition on my last car I don't want to have to worry about that. Now only if I could get a Honda six speed in the G37!

Yes, why would it not fit? Phunk's rails and full fuel return is also what I'll be going with, along with a few custom goodies to modify my current RRP for track use.

dkznyc 02-14-2016 09:31 AM

Hey can anyone tell me how much oil they are using per oil change? Bp v2 with oil cooler.

PongSanity 02-14-2016 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TcRocket (Post 3413309)
Car already has oil temp gauge and has a light for low oil pressure. So I a gauge needed for oil psi?


My bad. OP and myself have a G37s so we need it. The 370z doesn't. So probably one innovate gauge for AFR and boost controller would be fine. Fuel tap w/ gauge or a return system will suffice for the fuel readings


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jwick 02-14-2016 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TcRocket (Post 3413251)
Fuel pressure gauge questions have been answered. Now to oil pressure gauge. How important is that given in event of low oil pressure a light will be activated? I'm going with innovate boost control that will show a/f and boost psi and also had safety cut for low a/f. Just trying to figure out if I need two gauge or one gauge pod.


I recommend an oil pressure gauge. If you use the light on the dash all its going to tell you us you blew your engine.

TcRocket 02-14-2016 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3413401)
I recommend an oil pressure gauge. If you use the light on the dash all its going to tell you us you blew your engine.

Pretty much where is leaning towards, just for the piece of mind at the very least. Gale force two pod pillar it is then. Now to find my oil pressure gauge of choice. Prob analog. Digital might be annoying given its changing all the time. I know it's in other threads but what psi is the 3.7 vqvhr run. Gauge range I'm looking for.

PongSanity 02-14-2016 03:47 PM

Aem oil pressure gauge then. Digital more accurate though.


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TcRocket 02-15-2016 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PongSanity (Post 3413502)
Aem oil pressure gauge then. Digital more accurate though.


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Nope just order this and GaleForce dual a pillar.....:)

Chuck33079 02-15-2016 10:15 AM

Does that have a warning light in it?

TcRocket 02-15-2016 10:28 AM

No but I have eyes that will be keeping close attention on my gauges.......:) Analog will be very obvious at least to me. Although I'm sure I could come up with something given I am a journeyman electrician with an education from msu...:)

TcRocket 02-17-2016 11:51 PM

So this kit already has a extra bung welded in for my m.a.f. in my innovate boost controller?

Edit: meant to say o2 sensor that is part of innovate boost controller

PongSanity 02-18-2016 07:30 AM

you can tee into the wastegate vacuum source off the intake manifold, or tee into the brake booster vacuum line. I'm getting a vacuum block for those two (for my build). I don't want to tap my manifold.

jwick 02-18-2016 07:42 AM

BP turbo build/advice
 
There's also a bung installed to the intake manifold for the BOV. I just had Sasha include a second bung and tapped the manifold twice.

jwick 02-18-2016 07:48 AM

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This is a diagram of my vacuum lines. On top of the items for the kit I have both a Boost Gauge and Boost Controller plumbed in.

TcRocket 02-18-2016 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3416574)
There's also a bung installed to the intake manifold for the BOV. I just had Sasha include a second bung and tapped the manifold twice.

I need a bung for my aftermarket innovate o2 sensor for af in the sg1. Not sure if I need to pm Sasha about having another one added at least 24" from turbo as pr install instructions. Or does that distance not affect that much?

TheWeez 02-18-2016 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TcRocket (Post 3416651)
I need a bung for my aftermarket innovate o2 sensor for af in the sg1. Not sure if I need to pm Sasha about having another one added at least 24" from turbo as pr install instructions. Or does that distance not affect that much?

I'm just going to replace the OEM O2 sensor with the wideband :rofl2:

jwick 02-18-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TcRocket (Post 3416651)
I need a bung for my aftermarket innovate o2 sensor for af in the sg1. Not sure if I need to pm Sasha about having another one added at least 24" from turbo as pr install instructions. Or does that distance not affect that much?


You'll be fine just using the bung Sasha provides in the down pipe. I'm using it with no issues. If you think about it the fuel trim O2 sensors less than 18" from the block header flange and that heat doesn't cause them issues.

jwick 02-18-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWeez (Post 3416746)
I'm just going to replace the OEM O2 sensor with the wideband :rofl2:


Don't do that. Sasha provides one in the downpipe.

TheWeez 02-18-2016 12:11 PM

Haha thanks


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TcRocket 02-18-2016 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3416803)
You'll be fine just using the bung Sasha provides in the down pipe. I'm using it with no issues. If you think about it the fuel trim O2 sensors less than 18" from the block header flange and that heat doesn't cause them issues.

Thanks jwick. You're always great at helping me with questions I have as well as everyone else on here. Really appreciate it guys.:tup::tup:

jwick 02-18-2016 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TcRocket (Post 3416859)
Thanks jwick. You're always great at helping me with questions I have as well as everyone else on here. Really appreciate it guys.:tup::tup:


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Boosted Performance 02-18-2016 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PongSanity (Post 3416567)
you can tee into the wastegate vacuum source off the intake manifold, or tee into the brake booster vacuum line. I'm getting a vacuum block for those two (for my build). I don't want to tap my manifold.

The wastegates only need pressure, no vacuum, sam goes for Boost controllers. The driver side charge pipe has a bung on it for this already.

You have to drill/Tapp the manifold for the BOV. It only needs vacuum.

And yes, the downpipe comes with an O2 bung already welded in.

EDIT:

I should mention that the kit comes with two drill bits, pilot and final size as well as a 1/8" NPT tap and a 1/4" x 1/8" NPT hose barb. So you don't need to go out and get any of this stuff.

PongSanity 02-19-2016 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3416967)
The wastegates only need pressure, no vacuum, sam goes for Boost controllers. The driver side charge pipe has a bung on it for this already.

You have to drill/Tapp the manifold for the BOV. It only needs vacuum.

EDIT:

I should mention that the kit comes with two drill bits, pilot and final size as well as a 1/8" NPT tap and a 1/4" x 1/8" NPT hose barb. So you don't need to go out and get any of this stuff.

I'll be getting a vacuum block (VitTuned Vacuum Block) for blow off valve and boost gauge. Possibly 4bar map sensor if necessary. I gotta read up to see if the 4bar map sensor bypasses (tee's in) the stock map sensor or replaces it altogether.

EDIT: The 3/4 bar map sensor would just replace the stock map sensor. of course some tuning will have to be done to get it dialed in correctly. So yes. two 1/8 npt fittings for the blow off valve and boost gauge. waste gates and boost controller goes to the bung under the driver side charge pipe.

jwick 02-19-2016 07:50 AM

Going Ecutek?

hc_416 02-19-2016 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PongSanity (Post 3417592)
I'll be getting a vacuum block (VitTuned Vacuum Block) for blow off valve and boost gauge. Possibly 4bar map sensor if necessary. I gotta read up to see if the 4bar map sensor bypasses (tee's in) the stock map sensor or replaces it altogether.

Whats that block for? just to clean it up ? Ill do a update later today too. Just have to wait and confirm some things.

PongSanity 02-19-2016 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3417595)
Going Ecutek?

I am.

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3417699)
Whats that block for? just to clean it up ? Ill do a update later today too. Just have to wait and confirm some things.

instead of tapping the manifold for vacuum, you use the vacuum line off the brake booster. the vacuum block is just a tee with multiple vacuum ports. for instance, Jwick tapped his manifold twice, one for the BOV, and the other for the boost gauge. I'll just have to open two ports from the vacuum block to provide the vacuum source.

hc_416 02-19-2016 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PongSanity (Post 3417705)
I am.



instead of tapping the manifold for vacuum, you use the vacuum line off the brake booster. the vacuum block is just a tee with multiple vacuum ports. for instance, Jwick tapped his manifold twice, one for the BOV, and the other for the boost gauge. I'll just have to open two ports from the vacuum block to provide the vacuum source.


Oh **** that sounds nice, is it safe. I might want to get it. I have my bc and I will need the other line too.

hc_416 02-19-2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PongSanity (Post 3417705)
I am.



instead of tapping the manifold for vacuum, you use the vacuum line off the brake booster. the vacuum block is just a tee with multiple vacuum ports. for instance, Jwick tapped his manifold twice, one for the BOV, and the other for the boost gauge. I'll just have to open two ports from the vacuum block to provide the vacuum source.

Also what size fittings are you getting to use?

PongSanity 02-19-2016 11:19 AM

1/8 npt


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jwick 02-19-2016 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3417727)
Oh **** that sounds nice, is it safe. I might want to get it. I have my bc and I will need the other line too.

Nothing wrong with a vacuum block.

hc_416 02-19-2016 01:05 PM

op update, so is it recommend to get?

PongSanity 02-19-2016 01:19 PM

personal opinion. its not necessary for purchase. just an alternative.

hc_416 02-19-2016 06:45 PM

If I were to get the vacuum block would it neaten up the installation in the engine bay as well?

jwick 02-19-2016 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hc_416 (Post 3418197)
If I were to get the vacuum block would it neaten up the installation in the engine bay as well?


I don't think so. The brake booster line coming out the back of the manifold is visible. The tap Sasha makes in the IM is hidden under the engine cover.

Of course you could make everything tucked away with enough effort and zip ties.

TcRocket 02-20-2016 11:48 PM

I think I'm going to go with aam intake. Vacum source taken care of...;). AAM Competition - Nissan GT-R, 370Z Turbo Performance Specialists

Edit: Has 4 auxiliary vacum ports flows better and looks bad ***......:)

Boosted Performance 02-20-2016 11:59 PM

The reason I suggest the IM be tapped at the front is to have the vacuum source (IM) as close to the BOV as possible. This increases response time and opens the BOV quicker between shifts, which is what you want to see. The BOV manufacturer also recommends the BOV have it's own designated vacuum source.

PongSanity 02-21-2016 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 3419050)
The reason I suggest the IM be tapped at the front is to have the vacuum source (IM) as close to the BOV as possible. This increases response time and opens the BOV quicker between shifts, which is what you want to see. The BOV manufacturer also recommends the BOV have it's own designated vacuum source.


Do you think the extra inches of vacuum hose may cause an issue? I, too will have the manifold tapped twice to provide a source for the boost gauge. Thought it would've easier with the vacuum block.


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