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JWillis72 02-16-2016 01:16 PM

We didn't have any luck SD tuning with Ecutek but the MAF tuning worked fine. StillenZ84 has SD tuning working with his level 10 trans and that's strange because Level 10 says it's not possible. I can think that shows Sebs skills at tuning but if he's not doing it the MAF will be easier. Level 10 said set all positive trans settings to +75 and don't mess with the negative numbers.

StillenZ84 02-16-2016 01:29 PM

Right. Didnt add that my comments were only if you were going SD. This is the only time that people have had problems tuning with Ecutek. You don't encounter problems tuning through the MAFs so I just assumed dave was talking about SD. Pat was pretty impressed with Seb that he was able to get the trans to work right but Seb has tuned many Fast Intentions upgraded transmissions with no problems at all so mine wasnt the first upgraded trans he has tuned on SD but I believe it was the first Level 10.

Jayhovah 02-16-2016 01:31 PM

At the risk of sounding stupid - why would any kind of transmission be incompatible with SD tuning? The two do not seem related in my rudimentary understanding of the topics.

JWillis72 02-16-2016 03:14 PM

Pat told me that when you SD tune the car doesn't read the torque table the trans runs with correctly. Re said the line pressure is high at idle then drops when you hit the gas, that's the exact opposite how it should work. Seb clearly knows something a lot of people don't. What Pat described is exactly what mine did, the more you hit the gas the more it slipped.

mikey1600 02-17-2016 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3415123)
Pat told me that when you SD tune the car doesn't read the torque table the trans runs with correctly. Re said the line pressure is high at idle then drops when you hit the gas, that's the exact opposite how it should work. Seb clearly knows something a lot of people don't. What Pat described is exactly what mine did, the more you hit the gas the more it slipped.

so main reason you've been having all the issues you thought were supercharger slipping, was the trans?

JWillis72 02-17-2016 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600 (Post 3415481)
so main reason you've been having all the issues you thought were supercharger slipping, was the trans?

No it wasn't slipping, I decided to do it because I was already pushing more power than it was rated for before we started this. The fluid that came out of it had so much clutch material in it that I would guess it would have started slipping soon.

ANMVQ 02-19-2016 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3415123)
Pat told me that when you SD tune the car doesn't read the torque table the trans runs with correctly. Re said the line pressure is high at idle then drops when you hit the gas, that's the exact opposite how it should work. Seb clearly knows something a lot of people don't. What Pat described is exactly what mine did, the more you hit the gas the more it slipped.

So here's a question why not rent a dyno and let Seb remote tune the car like he did for me? I rented the dyno and sent him logs, and the dyno outputs while talking to him on the phone?

Pauly Z 02-19-2016 08:33 AM

I talked with Seb yesterday and that's what I am doing after my supercharger is done getting rebuilt.

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JWillis72 02-19-2016 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 3417630)
So here's a question why not rent a dyno and let Seb remote tune the car like he did for me? I rented the dyno and sent him logs, and the dyno outputs while talking to him on the phone?

The shop that my car is at is the only Ecutek dealer around here, his good friend is tuning the car. If I have any thing that doesn't look right I will be having him double check the tune.

ANMVQ 02-23-2016 07:02 AM

Sounds like a plan, but you don't need a ECUTEK dealer. I use a dyno that doesn't even tune imports. LOL

Numonik 02-23-2016 01:45 PM

I just read all 97 pages of this thread...

I feel... I don't know what I feel, I just went through every emotion in 2 hours and I feel like I never got anywhere!!! I just started doing the conversion on my G37 and now feel like I should just stop! lol Great work guys but wow the headaches

Yes I'm just going to wait till Topgunz stuff is out.

Jwillis72 if you ever come to ATL I'm buying you a beer...

Z&I 02-23-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Numonik (Post 3420829)
I just read all 97 pages of this thread...

Jwillis72 if you ever come to ATL I'm buying you a beer...

Ditto that if you ever come to J'oisey ...::rock::...

JWillis72 02-23-2016 02:38 PM

I would love to go do a track day in Atlanta when it runs again! We pulled the supercharger and the impeller shaft was bent so my pipes are full of fine aluminum dust. I have them all off and am taking them apart right now to run them through the parts cleaner (dish washer) before the wife gets home. I have a new V3 Si blower inbound and the old one is going back to Vortech to be rebuilt as a V3 Si. We are hoping this will come to an end in the next couple weeks.

Numonik, Topgunz kit will make this a lot easier of a process for sure.

JWillis72 02-23-2016 03:34 PM

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Z&I 02-23-2016 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3420886)

I have them all off and am taking them apart right now to run them through the parts cleaner (dish washer) before the wife gets home.

I have a new V3 Si blower inbound and the old one is going back to Vortech to be rebuilt as a V3 Si. We are hoping this will come to an end in the next couple weeks.

She'll never know, but, what's a few extra particles in the Hamburger Helper any way ??? :eek:

BTW ... good choice to go with a new V3 Si

EVOHUNTER 02-23-2016 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3420886)
I would love to go do a track day in Atlanta when it runs again! We pulled the supercharger and the impeller shaft was bent so my pipes are full of fine aluminum dust. I have them all off and am taking them apart right now to run them through the parts cleaner (dish washer) before the wife gets home. I have a new V3 Si blower inbound and the old one is going back to Vortech to be rebuilt as a V3 Si. We are hoping this will come to an end in the next couple weeks.

Numonik, Topgunz kit will make this a lot easier of a process for sure.

So the V1 is a no go???

JWillis72 02-23-2016 05:14 PM

I want to bad but I'm afraid to do it with this shop, I don't want the car there 6 more months. If one of you does it and it works I'm not afraid to spend more money! If that happens I'm flying Topgunz down to help me do it, I'm done with shops for a while. I hate working on cars but I'm even prepping my car for the track from now on.


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EVOHUNTER 02-23-2016 05:58 PM

im going to see if I can track down a blown up one, see how it fits and move from there.

Pauly Z 02-23-2016 06:01 PM

So I was talking with vortech and they said they don't produce the v1 anymore. ???

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JWillis72 02-23-2016 06:42 PM

That's news to me, they still have them in their site.


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Pauly Z 02-23-2016 07:00 PM

I asked them when I was talking about my rebuild. That's what the guy told me. I was quite confused myself cause yes it shows on their site.

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TopgunZ 02-23-2016 08:08 PM

Even if that was true, you want the v2 anyway. I did some more investigating and the v2 is the ticket.

Pauly Z 02-23-2016 08:09 PM

That's actually what the guy at Vortech said. The v2 is the same as v1 except it has helical gears and not straight gears

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JWillis72 02-24-2016 02:27 PM

I just realized I had a 2.75" supercharger pulley on the car. I ordered a 3" from a very big company and didn't notice they sent me the wrong one. We over spun the supercharger by close to 3000 rpm.


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EliteXpress 02-24-2016 03:17 PM

:icon14: DAM! :eek: Will they foot the bill on a fix?

JWillis72 02-24-2016 03:26 PM

Nope, I'm getting the correct pulley but that's it. Truthfully I can't say for sure that was the problem, we didn't run it all the way to redline so it was close.


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EVOHUNTER 02-25-2016 08:46 AM

i found a V2 here in Edmonton, 700$ but the volute tip is kinda crushed. (easy to fix)

Guy got into a front end accident and the blower took a little bump.

I can weld up the volute and send it out for a rebuild.

I told the guy i want to see if it will work with my bracket before i buy it.

Hes stoping by tonight, we will see!

EVOHUNTER 02-25-2016 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pauly Z (Post 3421349)
That's actually what the guy at Vortech said. The v2 is the same as v1 except it has helical gears and not straight gears

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Wait, wouldn't we want straight cut gears over helical?

Pauly Z 02-25-2016 08:57 AM

Helical gears are just quieter

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TopgunZ 02-25-2016 09:50 AM

Straight cut chatter at idle and get a little whine to them at wot, but the whine is drowned out from our exhaust.

That's pretty sweet your trying this Evo!

JWillis72 02-25-2016 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3422518)
i found a V2 here in Edmonton, 700$ but the volute tip is kinda crushed. (easy to fix)

Guy got into a front end accident and the blower took a little bump.

I can weld up the volute and send it out for a rebuild.

I told the guy i want to see if it will work with my bracket before i buy it.

Hes stoping by tonight, we will see!

Please take pictures for us!

EVOHUNTER 02-25-2016 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3422810)
Please take pictures for us!

Defiantly will, ive gotta contact sasha for a oil pan spacer and scavenger pump aswell.

Should be all I need to get it going.

JWillis72 02-25-2016 05:39 PM

Crap, you have me thinking about continuing my madness. I must resist, I don't think my liver can take it!!!!


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TopgunZ 02-25-2016 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3422955)
Defiantly will, ive gotta contact sasha for a oil pan spacer and scavenger pump aswell.

Should be all I need to get it going.

You don't need a scavenge pump and you can get a jwt spacer for $99.

You only need to scavenge oil when it is below the pan or parallel. Gravity is your pump when it's above it.

Pauly Z 02-26-2016 08:46 AM

Well vortech says they are gaining to send the supercharger to qc to see if the cases are good to rebuild. If not I have to buy a new one. Ugh. So if that's the case I will see about a v2. It should have all the same bolt locations for mounting correct?

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Pauly Z 02-26-2016 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3423021)
You don't need a scavenge pump and you can get a jwt spacer for $99.

You only need to scavenge oil when it is below the pan or parallel. Gravity is your pump when it's above it.

So the oil pressure sending unit location should be ok with out a scavenge pump?


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JWillis72 02-26-2016 08:55 AM

Evo, did it fit?

EVOHUNTER 02-26-2016 09:37 AM

The guy flaked out on me, he had to take his kids to hockey or something lol.

I wont know tell next week now, im going down to palm springs tomorrow morning for a golf tournament, for a couple of days

Z&I 02-26-2016 10:00 AM

V2 sc
 
The V2 will fit the Stillen bracket but will need to come forward about 3/8" so that the pulley tracks line up straight.
Had my V2 mocked up in the car checking fitment and clearance before having to stop the project.
Since the Stillen V3 attaches to the Stillen bracket via a crescent shaped spacer I had planned to fabricate a reinforced plate that would both extend the SC'r out for the alignment and minimize or eliminate bracket flex.
I was told that the V2 should increase boost by appx. 3 lbs [according to Vortech] over the V3.
Should be noted here that the motor was built and had 9.5:1 compression.
It is my opinion that if you do go with the V2 on a stock motor you will gain performance over the v3, but you should also select a pulley size that will keep the boost at around 9 lbs or so.

Pauly Z 02-26-2016 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Z&I (Post 3423467)
The V2 will fit the Stillen bracket but will need to come forward about 3/8" so that the pulley tracks line up straight.
Had my V2 mocked up in the car checking fitment and clearance before having to stop the project.
Since the Stillen V3 attaches to the Stillen bracket via a crescent shaped spacer I had planned to fabricate a reinforced plate that would both extend the SC'r out for the alignment and minimize or eliminate bracket flex.
I was told that the V2 should increase boost by appx. 3 lbs [according to Vortech] over the V3.
Should be noted here that the motor was built and had 9.5:1 compression.
It is my opinion that if you do go with the V2 on a stock motor you will gain performance over the v3, but you should also select a pulley size that will keep the boost at around 9 lbs or so.

Do you have any pics by chance?


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