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JWillis72 02-10-2016 12:45 PM

I will let you know if it holds more.

RadioFlyer 02-10-2016 08:23 PM

So did you dyno it at 3?

jwick 02-10-2016 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RadioFlyer (Post 3409976)
So did you dyno it at 3?


I'm guessing not or we would of had an update.

JWillis72 02-10-2016 08:28 PM

No, we are going to check the trans one more time. They were installing a armytrix exhaust on an audi that has been kicking their butt today. He is still at the shop working on the audi and is almost done, we hope to get it on the dyno tomorrow. I don't know if you have seen the price of that exhaust, it's nuts but they have done 4 in the last week.

EVOHUNTER 02-11-2016 08:15 AM

Best of luck today !

Hopefully everything goes smooth!

TopgunZ 02-11-2016 08:47 AM

Yesterday I ordered a new BPV and this will be the 4th one I will have on my air to air setup. I am going to try the new TIAL QRJ.

So far I have had on:
Stillen Bosch (plastic garb)
Turbosmart Kompact (1" inlet and outlet are too small causing judder on high psi)
Vortech Maxflow Race (bought a used one, thought it had a problem, bought a new one, same problem, loud whistling noise from 1200 to 2000 rpm, it sucks)
Tial QRJ (hopefully awesome)

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BOLIO 671 02-11-2016 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3408638)
I went and filled the trans with him so he couldn't blow it off but once again it's holding a quart less than Level 10 said it should so no dyno tonight. I emailed Level 10 to see what they say before we continue.

What level did u guys have it at the last time u put the tranny in....u know....before u heard the noise during the dyno and removed it to send it back to Level 10?

RadioFlyer 02-11-2016 10:48 AM

Good choice. For BPV's, I've found TiAL and Synapse are the least problematic. Others loose their adjustment, or start acting inconsistent in time. TiAL is my go-to for high psi applications, like 25+psi.

JWillis72 02-11-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BOLIO 671 (Post 3410390)
What level did u guys have it at the last time u put the tranny in....u know....before u heard the noise during the dyno and removed it to send it back to Level 10?

About the same 8.5.

EVOHUNTER 02-11-2016 11:11 AM

I wonder if the Dual turbo smart 34mm would be better?

Let me know, ill buy the one that works well lol

JWillis72 02-11-2016 11:30 AM

I have the Stillen one on my car right now and it sounds waybetter than the turbosmart one.

TopgunZ 02-11-2016 11:39 AM

I agree. I put the bosch one back on aswell and ordered that vortech because I couldn't take that judder anymore. I wonder why so many guys use that turbosmart. The vortech sounds amazing but I cant get rid of that squeal. If it wasn't for that I would love the vortech.

Hopefully the Tial sounds good. It is a completely different design so we will see.

EVOHUNTER 02-11-2016 01:51 PM

Started my car today, only 7-8 psi at idle for oil pressure!

Im like wtf, took my supercharger off, pulled both cam spocket covers off, got a scope in there.....

and the oil gallery gasket has come apart... grreeaatttt.

I have to pull the whole front of the engine off. not happy.

Check your oil pressure guys!!! if it reads low, its most likely this problem.

Glade I have a oil press gauge, otherwise I probably would have taken out my engine.

Rusty 02-11-2016 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3410708)
Started my car today, only 7-8 psi at idle for oil pressure!

Im like wtf, took my supercharger off, pulled both cam spocket covers off, got a scope in there.....

and the oil gallery gasket has come apart... grreeaatttt.

I have to pull the whole front of the engine off. not happy.

Check your oil pressure guys!!! if it reads low, its most likely this problem.

Glade I have a oil press gauge, otherwise I probably would have taken out my engine.

:eek:

jwick 02-11-2016 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3410708)
Started my car today, only 7-8 psi at idle for oil pressure!



Im like wtf, took my supercharger off, pulled both cam spocket covers off, got a scope in there.....



and the oil gallery gasket has come apart... grreeaatttt.



I have to pull the whole front of the engine off. not happy.



Check your oil pressure guys!!! if it reads low, its most likely this problem.



Glade I have a oil press gauge, otherwise I probably would have taken out my engine.


Think that's what happened to NeverBoneStock

lj909 02-11-2016 03:10 PM

I was looking at those eps throttle bodies and i saw that they also have upgraded oil gallery gaskets. Might want to look into those

blobbish 02-11-2016 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3410708)
Started my car today, only 7-8 psi at idle for oil pressure!

Im like wtf, took my supercharger off, pulled both cam spocket covers off, got a scope in there.....

and the oil gallery gasket has come apart... grreeaatttt.

I have to pull the whole front of the engine off. not happy.

Check your oil pressure guys!!! if it reads low, its most likely this problem.

Glade I have a oil press gauge, otherwise I probably would have taken out my engine.

That's a bummer!

I was lucky. Decided to change mine as part of the build. Just started to fail.

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EVOHUNTER 02-11-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lj909 (Post 3410812)
I was looking at those eps throttle bodies and i saw that they also have upgraded oil gallery gaskets. Might want to look into those

do you have a website for these?!?!

I cant find anything eps on google

blobbish 02-11-2016 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3410859)
do you have a website for these?!?!

I cant find anything eps on google

You can buy the upgraded gaskets straight from Nissan


OIL Galley Gaskets Part Numbers:
13533-JK21A
13533-JK21B

Cam cover oil Seals Part Number:
13042-3HD0A


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Jayhovah 02-11-2016 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blobbish (Post 3410892)
You can buy the upgraded gaskets straight from Nissan


OIL Galley Gaskets Part Numbers:
13533-JK21A
13533-JK21B

Cam cover oil Seals Part Number:
13042-3HD0A


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This has got me all scurr'd... When did Nissan upgrade the oil gallery gaskets? (i.e. which model years will have the paper-only versions?)

JWillis72 02-11-2016 05:03 PM

Looking at this I'm thinking if it was the belt slipping it started around 4500 rpm Because that's where the hp changes directions, would you guys agree?

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StillenZ84 02-11-2016 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3410943)
Looking at this I'm thinking if it was the belt slipping it started around 4500 rpm Because that's where the hp changes directions, would you guys agree?

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Man it does look to me like it is slipping. Cant be the back though because that was tight as hell.

StillenZ84 02-11-2016 06:02 PM

What was the boost at when it started going crazy? It shouldn't have been too high which makes me kind of think it isn't slipping. To slip at such low rpm the belt would have to be noticeably loose. But the readout looks like mine did when my belt was slipping at around 6800 rpm wavy like that.

JWillis72 02-11-2016 06:07 PM

This is the dyno before we tightened the belt, I'm trying to figure out where to add fuel to the tune in case it starts making more boost. I'm not really sure where the boost was but I would guess 6 because thats where it stopped.

JWillis72 02-11-2016 06:27 PM

The trans held almost 9 doing it Nissans way. Tuner is working on a flash, the car is getting strapped to the dyno tonight to be ready to run tomorrow.


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Maddog 02-12-2016 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah (Post 3410941)
This has got me all scurr'd... When did Nissan upgrade the oil gallery gaskets? (i.e. which model years will have the paper-only versions?)


Nissan upgraded the gallery gaskets at the end of 2011, most 2012 cars "should" have the revised type

This affects the 350z HR engine also same part numbers needed

You need (These are my descriptions not Nissans)

1 23797-EY01A VVEL Cover gaskets
1 23797 - JA10B VVEL cover gasket

6 13042 - 3HD0A VVEL oil seal

2 15066 - JA10A Upper oil gallery seal

1 13533 - JK21A Upper gallery plate gasket*
1 13533- JK21B Lower gallery plate gasket*
1 13510- 31U10 Crank oil seal (optional)


*as said these are the ones that fail

TopgunZ 02-12-2016 07:39 AM

Jwillis. Per my alcohol infused conversation last night. This really looks to me like it isn't your belt giving way, but the BPV was. Good thing you put that Bosch back on since you know it will hold boost. This dates back a while when we discussed that but you haven't had a chance to re-dyno with that one.

The bosch valve will not fail at any given boost amount (well within reason). Plastic is actually very strong and there is not enough pressure in the system to cause it any harm. However, where the problem lies is in the size of the valve. It is just too small to get all that air through it so with high boost it simply can not purge the amount of air the supercharger is forcing at it.

You will be fine in the short run with it though.

EVOHUNTER 02-12-2016 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddog (Post 3411426)
Nissan upgraded the gallery gaskets at the end of 2011, most 2012 cars "should" have the revised type

This affects the 350z HR engine also same part numbers needed

You need (These are my descriptions not Nissans)

1 23797-EY01A VVEL Cover gaskets
1 23797 - JA10B VVEL cover gasket

6 13042 - 3HD0A VVEL oil seal

2 15066 - JA10A Upper oil gallery seal

1 13533 - JK21A Upper gallery plate gasket*
1 13533- JK21B Lower gallery plate gasket*
1 13510- 31U10 Crank oil seal (optional)


*as said these are the ones that fail


Well bad news for me, the upper oil gallery plate gasket was ripped, but the timing plate where the gallery plate mounts has 3 cracks!!!!.

this easy job just turned into a nightmare. I have to remove all the timing, cam spokets, everything! (I hate timing these cars!!!) ill have to send the back timing cover to a welding shop, have them re weld it and put it back together. Im trying to find a used one but not having any luck.


Anyways, Willis, Good luck today!

I think everythings going to work out for you man!

im excited for results!

JWillis72 02-12-2016 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3411541)
Jwillis. Per my alcohol infused conversation last night. This really looks to me like it isn't your belt giving way, but the BPV was. Good thing you put that Bosch back on since you know it will hold boost. This dates back a while when we discussed that but you haven't had a chance to re-dyno with that one.

The bosch valve will not fail at any given boost amount (well within reason). Plastic is actually very strong and there is not enough pressure in the system to cause it any harm. However, where the problem lies is in the size of the valve. It is just too small to get all that air through it so with high boost it simply can not purge the amount of air the supercharger is forcing at it.

You will be fine in the short run with it though.

It's easier to talk to someone when you have been drinking if they have been drinking also! If my math is right I expected my boost to be about 12-12.5 but that was before the long tube headers. I'm guessing the psi will drop to 10-11 with them and I think the Bosh is good to 11 psi so we should be good.

Thanks Evo! I'm just waiting for him to call me and say they are ready then I will go straight there, I'm lucky to have a job that I can work when I want as long as it gets done. The shop doesn't open until 10 and he usually spends the first hour on calls and email. If he hasn't called me by noon- 1pm I will be showing up. It may not be 100% tuned today but hes not leaving that place without me knowing if it's making more boost and I told him that last night!

TopgunZ 02-12-2016 08:48 AM

Shitt. And I just threw one away.

JWillis72 02-12-2016 09:01 AM

I don't know if I'm more nervous or excited, the wait is killing me! I dropped the car off 26 weeks ( 6 months) at 10 am (right now) and I so need it to make boost and show me a finish line!

blobbish 02-12-2016 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3411680)
I don't know if I'm more nervous or excited, the wait is killing me! I dropped the car off 26 weeks ( 6 months) at 10 am (right now) and I so need it to make boost and show me a finish line!

I hear you. My car has only been away for 2 weeks (1 week left) and it's killing me.

Still it will be worth it mate.

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TBatt 02-12-2016 09:08 AM

Good luck man. I'm sending you some luck, if that is possible.

TopgunZ 02-12-2016 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3411680)
I don't know if I'm more nervous or excited, the wait is killing me! I dropped the car off 26 weeks ( 6 months) at 10 am (right now) and I so need it to make boost and show me a finish line!

:icon18: Hahaha..You have it down to the hour! :bowrofl: Sounds like a Perfect time to nail it!

JWillis72 02-12-2016 09:17 AM

Evo, if the part you are looking for is the same on a G37 there is a Face Book group called VQ's of SWFL that someone listed one for a part out yesterday. It was in a front end collision so it I don't know if the part you need survived.

swiss370Z 02-12-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3411680)
I don't know if I'm more nervous or excited, the wait is killing me! I dropped the car off 26 weeks ( 6 months) at 10 am (right now) and I so need it to make boost and show me a finish line!

I feel YOU too :tiphat:

Wish You best of Luck :tup::tup::tup::tup:

Jayhovah 02-12-2016 11:29 AM

The suspense is killing me.

JWillis72 02-12-2016 11:39 AM

This MFer is out running around and the shop is locked up!!! He's trying to make me go crazy!!!


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TBatt 02-12-2016 12:18 PM

Time for a shotgun wedding if you ask me. He marries the car until it is done! If not.......

JWillis72 02-12-2016 12:44 PM

I told him if I don't know if the car makes boost tonight I'm picking it up on Monday when he opens. If I have to I will go back to UpRev to use my old tuner that is great!


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