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Jayhovah 12-07-2015 03:18 PM

As an observer this build is frustrating. Can't imagine how JWillis feels.

EVOHUNTER 12-07-2015 03:37 PM

yes, those are backwards.

And that crimp on your Maf wiring is a HUGE no no, get them to fix those ASAP.

should be soldered properly to keep your resistants at a min.

I have a feeling this will be the deal breaker, youll have her running in no time!

JWillis72 12-07-2015 03:38 PM

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It looks to me that top has them the same way as the pics I took today but Evos look like they are the other way, any thoughts?


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JWillis72 12-07-2015 03:40 PM

Anyone running GTR spark plugs? I don't remember where I got the idea but the shop is questioning me if they are right. I feel like I've seen lots of post about boosted cars running them but I don't remember where.


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JWillis72 12-07-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3362066)
yes, those are backwards.



And that crimp on your Maf wiring is a HUGE no no, get them to fix those ASAP.



should be soldered properly to keep your resistants at a min.



I have a feeling this will be the deal breaker, youll have her running in no time!


Thank you as always for your help!


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EVOHUNTER 12-07-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3362068)
Anyone running GTR spark plugs? I don't remember where I got the idea but the shop is questioning me if they are right. I feel like I've seen lots of post about boosted cars running them but I don't remember where.


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im running the gtr plugs!

that picture is super odd, because he has them the same way you do!

Maybe this was before he modded it?!!?

I guess will wait until topz chimes in.

jwick 12-07-2015 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3362067)
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It looks to me that top has them the same way as the pics I took today but Evos look like they are the other way, any thoughts?


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These are flipped. Look at the tab that seats the MAF plug to the MAF. They are turn 180deg. I really think the shop has your MAFs in backwards. I'll take a picture of mine when I get home.

FYI...I am running GTR plugs as is everyone else with a BP turbo kit.

JWillis72 12-07-2015 04:10 PM

Oddly enough backwards the voltage match but the car didn't run. We are going to try straightening the wires out and see what that does.


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jwick 12-07-2015 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3362080)
Oddly enough backwards the voltage match but the car didn't run. We are going to try straightening the wires out and see what that does.


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Make sure they use marine grade shrink wrap so its waterproof.

Boosted Performance 12-07-2015 04:25 PM

You can't use the Y-section from your Stillen kit without modifying the MAF housings. It is designed to "pull though", (when on the S/C intake) and by flipping it round (in your engine bay) you are trying to "push" the air in the other direction.

The only way you can get it to work is by re-drilling new holes in the MAF sensor housing to have them mounted 180 degrees to what they are now.

Also, since the Y-pipe is only 2.5", you will run out of resolution on your MAF sensors in no time.

When EVOHUNTER comes back in the spring, I'll have this system working perfectly...pushing this kit to the limit, or as far as the belts hold :).

JWillis72 12-07-2015 05:06 PM

I look forward to seeing that. Topgunz car didn't run out of MAF, why would mine?


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TopgunZ 12-07-2015 06:58 PM

I was only at 4.2 volts. I think they are in backwards in the pic I posted. That was before I realised they were wrong. The slot opening in the bottom of the maf where you see the sensor needs to face the front of the car.

TopgunZ 12-07-2015 07:00 PM

Basically, if they didn't modify the maf, they can't be in that y pipe the right way. Moding the maf mounting tabs took me about 2 minutes each with a dremmel.

JWillis72 12-07-2015 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3362230)
I was only at 4.2 volts. I think they are in backwards in the pic I posted. That was before I realised they were wrong. The slot opening in the bottom of the maf where you see the sensor needs to face the front of the car.

Thank you, I thought that might be the case.

JWillis72 12-07-2015 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3362232)
Basically, if they didn't modify the maf, they can't be in that y pipe the right way. Moding the maf mounting tabs took me about 2 minutes each with a dremmel.


They did open them up and had them in correct so there is something else wrong.


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TopgunZ 12-07-2015 07:06 PM

Did you extend the mafs again? Did they reach from the extensions stillen supplied?

I run gtr plugs. Its not those.

JWillis72 12-07-2015 07:07 PM

They were going to work on them this afternoon but I haven't talked to them so probably not. It will get done if I have to go do it myself.


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TopgunZ 12-07-2015 07:07 PM

Even a small vac leak wouldn't cause it to act that way.

The shop did also say they plugged the bov so it would stay closed. Not sure what that was all about.

TopgunZ 12-07-2015 07:08 PM

My worry is a badly or wrongly wired maf wire.

JWillis72 12-07-2015 07:08 PM

He told me that also, I don't know what that was about either.


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JWillis72 12-07-2015 07:18 PM

I may order a new set of MAF extenders tomorrow from Stillen and just start over.


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jwick 12-07-2015 07:21 PM

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MAF direction should be oriented so the locking clip is on the left. Both of mine are that way.

jwick 12-07-2015 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3362265)
I may order a new set of MAF extenders tomorrow from Stillen and just start over.


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Not a bad idea. I don't like how they spliced yours.

JWillis72 12-07-2015 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3362269)
Not a bad idea. I don't like how they spliced yours.


That's what I was thinking, I just emailed Mark to see if he could overnight me a pair, I will see what he says tomorrow.


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EliteXpress 12-07-2015 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3362265)
I may order a new set of MAF extenders tomorrow from Stillen and just start over.


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As I have mentioned in the past, I too had a bad MAF jumper cable that was not reading consistent. Once replaced we stopped experiencing the limp mode. The jumper /extension MAF cables provided by stillen seem to be very sensitive and prone to bending, just be careful with them when installing.

TopgunZ 12-07-2015 08:49 PM

So I was at 9.5psi in Denver. That should be 13 at sea level. I think You have a pulley setup for more psi then me and you are at sea level so you might see 14 if you can avoid slip and flex. I have no idea how that relates to maf voltage increases. But you will be flowing 33% more air than I did. Might be pushing those stock mafs.

Anyone know the calculations?

JWillis72 12-07-2015 08:52 PM

Right now I have the impeller changed and the 2.75 on the sc but we have lots of options.


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JWillis72 12-07-2015 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EliteXpress (Post 3362305)
As I have mentioned in the past, I too had a bad MAF jumper cable that was not reading consistent. Once replaced we stopped experiencing the limp mode. The jumper /extension MAF cables provided by stillen seem to be very sensitive and prone to bending, just be careful with them when installing.


Your post are why I'm thinking of starting with a new set.


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TopgunZ 12-07-2015 09:12 PM

I do have a set of gt uprev mafs if you end up needing them.

JWillis72 12-08-2015 06:42 AM

I will keep that in mind.


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JWillis72 12-08-2015 11:16 AM

It all apart again down to pulling the injectors but we still cant find a problem. we swaped MAFs, FAM plugs and cleaned the MAFs but the voltage stays with the Y pipe. They are pulling the y pipe with the coupler to make sure the straightener is straight inside it. The tuner say it is acting like it has a vacuum leak but we can't find one.

JWillis72 12-08-2015 02:56 PM

Stillen Air to Air setup
 
We added a catch can on the PVC hose then back to the way it was with the Stillen stock set up, now that it's not metered air could that be causing problems?


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jwick 12-08-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3363008)
We added a catch can on the PVC hose then back to the way it was with the Stillen stock set up, now that it's not metered air could that be causing problems?


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Nothing a tune couldn't fix and I wouldn't expect that to have any impact on getting different MAF readings.

JWillis72 12-08-2015 03:06 PM

Thank you but dang it, we are searching for something that could cause the tuner to see what looks like a vacuum leak and I thought that could be it.

jwick 12-08-2015 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3363011)
Thank you but dang it, we are searching for something that could cause the tuner to see what looks like a vacuum leak and I thought that could be it.


Frustrating.

That wouldn't be a vacuum leak. Adding a catch can off the PCV system requires a retune, as I understand it, because you are running leaner since the vapors off the head aren't being recycled anymore.

I'm vented to atmosphere and it didn't cause MAF issues.

JWillis72 12-08-2015 03:14 PM

Okay we will keep digging, something just isn't right. Stillen is sending new MAF extensions over night to check that off the list.


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JWillis72 12-08-2015 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3363009)
Nothing a tune couldn't fix and I wouldn't expect that to have any impact on getting different MAF readings.


Top pointed out in your picture that you (and him) have filters on those hoses, that's way cleaner than my set up. Do you know where you got them?


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TopgunZ 12-08-2015 03:30 PM

Cant you just stick the old pipe on there to see if it is related to the new setup or not? That way if she still doesn't idle you can eliminate the piping as a problem.

TopgunZ 12-08-2015 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3363033)
Top pointed out in your picture that you (and him) have filters on those hoses, that's way cleaner than my set up. Do you know where you got them?


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Just get them from summit racing or something. They are called breather filters.

They even sell them at O'reillys. That's where I got my nice metal mesh ones.

But for this exercise you could just pull those hoses off both ends and throw them out completely. Nothing will get hurt just starting the car and letting it idle.

jwick 12-08-2015 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3363033)
Top pointed out in your picture that you (and him) have filters on those hoses, that's way cleaner than my set up. Do you know where you got them?


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Sasha sent them with the kit.

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3363035)
Just get them from summit racing or something. They are called breather filters.

They even sell them at O'reillys. That's where I got my nice metal mesh ones.

He would be correct
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