TT Maintenance and Long term things NOOBS should know

hjo1078 · 05-04-2015, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick

HP is addictive. No matter how much you have, it'll start feeling slow in no time. .

aint that the truth. 600 whp and i want more

KratikosG37 · 05-04-2015, 08:17 PM

Boost makes the hoes get tight?

MR.nismo · 05-04-2015, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

A novice shouldn't be modifying a car this dramatically. It's not novice territory. You need to know WHY things happen, not just what part goes where. Start doing your homework. Corky Bell wrote a book on turbocharging, and one on supercharging. Go read both of those.

Since you're asking about supercharger kits, I'm assuming you mean Stillen. They have more popped motors than anyone else. That's not "less chance of things going wrong".

As Chuck has stated, and/or in another words, If you don't know the mechanics and the "whys" behind forced induction (either turbo or supercharger) then you will be on a long and painful road. Forced induction does not mean get on the gas as often as you can and expect for everything to be all peachy, especially if the engine was converted from N/A to F/I.
Besides the extra power there are some "unwanted extras" that comes with it I.E. extra heat (plenty of it), extra stress, extra pressure (either positive or negative), extra wear and tear, frequent and more periodic inspections, extra care on other areas and the list goes on and on.
The main difference as to be "worry/maintenance free" which is a lie, is the type of system is installed. Is it an e-bay kit installed in your garage or is it a well know and reputable company doing the engine build and taking in consideration most of the possible "can go wrong" aspects into the equation.
I hear young kids talking so much about "x amount of boost" and they think that is all needed to know. Boost amounts is actually irrelevant, for example; 8 or 9 lbs of boost in a well build engine can outperform an e-bay quick install kit that is "rated" at making 15 lbs of boost.
Do your homework, don't be afraid of asking questions and you will see what most of us are saying here. By no means, I'm discouraging you from going force induction, (force induction is as addictive as sex) but the issue is not as simple as "install and forget".

KratikosG37 · 05-04-2015, 11:48 PM

Before I purchased my first f/I I read boosted noob thread in my350z, and than googled all the info I could about how things worked.

Not only you will have a better understanding, but also save money in the process.

Learn something new everyday just by reading other people's experience. F/I isn't hard to own just have to know if it's right for you.

brucelidat · 05-05-2015, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.nismo

As Chuck has stated, and/or in another words, If you don't know the mechanics and the "whys" behind forced induction (either turbo or supercharger) then you will be on a long and painful road. Forced induction does not mean get on the gas as often as you can and expect for everything to be all peachy, especially if the engine was converted from N/A to F/I.
Besides the extra power there are some "unwanted extras" that comes with it I.E. extra heat (plenty of it), extra stress, extra pressure (either positive or negative), extra wear and tear, frequent and more periodic inspections, extra care on other areas and the list goes on and on.
The main difference as to be "worry/maintenance free" which is a lie, is the type of system is installed. Is it an e-bay kit installed in your garage or is it a well know and reputable company doing the engine build and taking in consideration most of the possible "can go wrong" aspects into the equation.
I hear young kids talking so much about "x amount of boost" and they think that is all needed to know. Boost amounts is actually irrelevant, for example; 8 or 9 lbs of boost in a well build engine can outperform an e-bay quick install kit that is "rated" at making 15 lbs of boost.
Do your homework, don't be afraid of asking questions and you will see what most of us are saying here. By no means, I'm discouraging you from going force induction, (force induction is as addictive as sex) but the issue is not as simple as "install and forget".

I'll read up on it since I am waiting for finished pricing on the Fats Intentions 7at upgrade anway. If I did go TT, it would definitely be the FI kit installed and tuned by them/Specialty Z. They seem to have the best designed, most efficient and most thought out kit.

roplusbee · 05-05-2015, 07:16 PM

As far as not DD a 500HP and treating it like a Rolex, I firmly disagree. A properly build project will be just that. Some may question it's reliability, but that is why you regularly inspect AND do preventative maintenance. Then again if you need that type of pep talk, maybe this type of undertaking shouldn't be on your list of things to do.

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faceglide · 05-05-2015, 07:34 PM

I pretty much daily drove my TT e85 370z, 9k miles in 12 months.

I really did not have to do anything outside of the realm of normal performance car ownership. I really focused on these few things:

-Oil changes 3k miles. Even with synthetic, i ran e85, which has a habit of invading fuel(which it BARELY did), so I changed my mobil 1 5w20 every 3k.
-UOA-blackstone. I did it twice, read like it should, unremarkable.

-Check for leaks? I had none, not an issue, car is parked in clean garage 24/7. OIl drips would be very apparent if there was any.

-afr/fuel pressure. My AFR never really moved much, I preferred monitoring fuel pressure because I was on e85. I would notice slight dippage on freeway on/offramps(huge sweeping right turns) and learned that fueling issues would be apparent on my fuel pressure way before afr, if any afr changes.

-Oil Levels. These can be a tad tricky because turbos and lines hold more oil. After oil change, i filled with 7 quarts. Then I would start car, come up to temp, park on level service then wait 15-.30 minutes and recheck level. This is pretty much standard procedure for any car, but it is easy to get fooled into thinking you are very low oterwise.

-Fuel level. Being on e85 and my power levels, I found I can actually get the car to fuel starve with some major acceleration, starting at HALF a tank. Yep, I wqould see that pressure dip and thank nissan for an incredible fuel tank design. I made a note to stay above 1/2.

Your mileage may vary, but thats all I did. I had never a second where the car was down and out. Then again, I am that kind of putz that pays someone to swap a clutch, the most technical of my abilities on a car was a header install haha! But i always thought it was my duty to monitor the car as much as I can and promptly tell a pro if I noticed something had changed.

brucelidat · 05-05-2015, 07:39 PM

I don't have a problem with monitoring and doing checkups, just need to learn what needs to be checked on and how often. I figure if I do it, I can read up on it and ask Tony and Seb a lot of questions.

KratikosG37 · 05-05-2015, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee

As far as not DD a 500HP and treating it like a Rolex, I firmly disagree. A properly build project will be just that. Some may question it's reliability, but that is why you regularly inspect AND do preventative maintenance. Then again if you need that type of pep talk, maybe this type of undertaking shouldn't be on your list of things to do.

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That's your opinion and I respect that. The hard truth is anything that you're boosting is a gamble.

Yes they do have cars with tunes/parts that easily have high miles. I'm 17k miles under boost 0 issues.

Rolex statement was meant as a awareness of condition. Beating up a boosted VQ daily is fine just like wearing the watch, but if it breaks get ready to pay.

Spooler · 05-05-2015, 10:11 PM

Modified anything is a gamble. It has it's rewards and pitfalls. I have had my modified 1975 280zt since 1992. That is why I haven't jumped on the 370ztt bus. I am just a little leary and remember my challenges before. Did I loose a motor with older car, yes I did.

roplusbee · 05-06-2015, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KratikosG37

That's your option and I respect that. The hard truth is anything that you're boosting is a gamble.

Yes they do have cars with tunes/parts that easily have high miles. I'm 17k miles under boost 0 issues.

Rolex statement was meant as a awareness of condition. Beating up a boosted VQ daily is fine just like wearing the watch, but if it breaks get ready to pay.

True and I agree with with the gamble, however I did DD my twin turbo car without any major issues until I had to let it go. The only issues I had were TSB related and a CSF radiator upper hose connection that would leak after time. I had all of those issues sorted. I also had over 30k miles put on the car with that twin turbo installed. Did I dog it.........no. Did I baby it............no. I did frequent regular maintenance and paid close attention to any changes. You have to be "one with your machine" in a matter of speaking and I took the time to do that.

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KratikosG37 · 05-06-2015, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee

True and I agree with with the gamble, however I did DD my twin turbo car without any major issues until I had to let it go. The only issues I had were TSB related and a CSF radiator upper hose connection that would leak after time. I had all of those issues sorted. I also had over 30k miles put on the car with that twin turbo installed. Did I dog it.........no. Did I baby it............no. I did frequent regular maintenance and paid close attention to any changes. You have to be "one with your machine" in a matter of speaking and I took the time to do that.

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The DD comment is stated as a opinion. GTR, bmw M3, and C7 z06 all have factory boost. That being said they're made from the factory to handle boosted power. VQ's are nothing different, but we use aftermarket boost, and tune.

The foot note in my original post simply said, "for the ones that do already know what to expect".

Gratz that you DD and driver her correctly. Remember just because we didn't have issues doesn't mean the next person will.

Quick example: friend of mine had the 1st boosted VQ37VHR in my state. Put 50k plus boosted miles 0 issues. Just sold it last week and their Transmisson blew. Just gamble of how its driven that makes the different. Having a side car will increase the life of your boosted car. That's the point I was trying to make. Not bashing the ones that DD that don't, or can't afford another vehicle.

bullitt5897 · 05-06-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hjo1078

aint that the truth. 600 whp and i want more

Even at 930rwhp and I want more.... Nah just kidding that much power will scare the **** out of you trust me! Coming up on cars like they are in reverse and doing 60mph!

Honestly, having a boosted Z and a NA Z is really weird going from one car to the other lol... I get out of the 450zTT and into the nismo and its like whats broken... the 450z has 3 times the power!!! and the nismo feels like a damn miata!!!

brucelidat · 05-06-2015, 01:50 PM

Hmm, SC + 2015 nismo body kit and a few grand to spare (maybe a LSD) or FI TT kit

KratikosG37 · 05-06-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Even at 930rwhp and I want more.... Nah just kidding that much power will scare the **** out of you trust me! Coming up on cars like they are in reverse and doing 60mph!

Honestly, having a boosted Z and a NA Z is really weird going from one car to the other lol... I get out of the 450zTT and into the nismo and its like whats broken... the 450z has 3 times the power!!! and the nismo feels like a damn miata!!!

930rwhp un-useable power. Do get me wrong they're such a thing as to much and not enough. 1k hp z is

, but can't be applied in normal conditions. The next step I would go is making it a AWD for the TX mile.

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KratikosG37 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 273 Drives: 09 TT Wrapped G37 Rep Power: 10	Before I purchased my first f/I I read boosted noob thread in my350z, and than googled all the info I could about how things worked. Not only you will have a better understanding, but also save money in the process. Learn something new everyday just by reading other people's experience. F/I isn't hard to own just have to know if it's right for you. __________________ KratikosG37 Build Log http://www.myg37.com/forums/build-th...ml#post3888739

05-05-2015, 07:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 22	As far as not DD a 500HP and treating it like a Rolex, I firmly disagree. A properly build project will be just that. Some may question it's reliability, but that is why you regularly inspect AND do preventative maintenance. Then again if you need that type of pep talk, maybe this type of undertaking shouldn't be on your list of things to do. Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk hjo1078, GaleForce, Hotrodz and 4 others like this. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

05-05-2015, 07:34 PM	#22 (permalink)
faceglide Track Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: san jose Posts: 550 Drives: '12 370Z FI TT BkChr Rep Power: 37	I pretty much daily drove my TT e85 370z, 9k miles in 12 months. I really did not have to do anything outside of the realm of normal performance car ownership. I really focused on these few things: -Oil changes 3k miles. Even with synthetic, i ran e85, which has a habit of invading fuel(which it BARELY did), so I changed my mobil 1 5w20 every 3k. -UOA-blackstone. I did it twice, read like it should, unremarkable. -Check for leaks? I had none, not an issue, car is parked in clean garage 24/7. OIl drips would be very apparent if there was any. -afr/fuel pressure. My AFR never really moved much, I preferred monitoring fuel pressure because I was on e85. I would notice slight dippage on freeway on/offramps(huge sweeping right turns) and learned that fueling issues would be apparent on my fuel pressure way before afr, if any afr changes. -Oil Levels. These can be a tad tricky because turbos and lines hold more oil. After oil change, i filled with 7 quarts. Then I would start car, come up to temp, park on level service then wait 15-.30 minutes and recheck level. This is pretty much standard procedure for any car, but it is easy to get fooled into thinking you are very low oterwise. -Fuel level. Being on e85 and my power levels, I found I can actually get the car to fuel starve with some major acceleration, starting at HALF a tank. Yep, I wqould see that pressure dip and thank nissan for an incredible fuel tank design. I made a note to stay above 1/2. Your mileage may vary, but thats all I did. I had never a second where the car was down and out. Then again, I am that kind of putz that pays someone to swap a clutch, the most technical of my abilities on a car was a header install haha! But i always thought it was my duty to monitor the car as much as I can and promptly tell a pro if I noticed something had changed. hjo1078, GaleForce, GeauxTigers1 and 4 others like this.

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brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	I don't have a problem with monitoring and doing checkups, just need to learn what needs to be checked on and how often. I figure if I do it, I can read up on it and ask Tony and Seb a lot of questions. Hotrodz likes this. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

05-05-2015, 10:11 PM	#25 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,516 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684391	Modified anything is a gamble. It has it's rewards and pitfalls. I have had my modified 1975 280zt since 1992. That is why I haven't jumped on the 370ztt bus. I am just a little leary and remember my challenges before. Did I loose a motor with older car, yes I did.

05-06-2015, 01:50 PM	#29 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 30	Hmm, SC + 2015 nismo body kit and a few grand to spare (maybe a LSD) or FI TT kit __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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