Paintless dent repair drivers side rear panel question

darli328 · 07-19-2013, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

see service manual BRM page 32 rear fender hemming process.

then you'll see wat im talking about. you need to drill a small hole inside the wheel well to gain access. even if you remove the tail lamp you wont gain access, and even if you drilled the metal behind the tail lamp, you still wont gain access.

Tried searching for BRM service manual and/or service manual with no real luck. However I did find some links to buy a digital copy off of Nissan's website... I also skimmed through my owners manual to find anything on the area in question. I guess I'm just not ready to give up yep. Sorry, drilling in the fender well is something I don't want to do. I'm starting to wondering, is the area completely sealed? I would imagine there's an opening somewhere. And, thanks again for your patients with this.

kenchan · 07-18-2013, 04:01 PM

btw, drilling an access hole is common practice in PDR.

since you told your tech not to drill, then yah, there is no way he can fix that ding. i wont be able to fix it either without drilling.

if you can overcome that fear, he can probably fix it to about 98-99% if he's willing to take the time.
he would then either use silicon glue or plug. it's no big deal really. get a cup of coffee if you can't stand watching.

darli328 · 07-18-2013, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

btw, drilling an access hole is common practice in PDR.

since you told your tech not to drill, then yah, there is no way he can fix that ding. i wont be able to fix it either without drilling.

if you can overcome that fear, he can probably fix it to about 98-99% if he's willing to take the time.
he would then either use silicon glue or plug. it's no big deal really. get a cup of coffee if you can't stand watching.

Seriously, thanks for all your help/advise. I know I sound like the customer from hell. I've had some bad experiences in the past with drilling and I really hate those plugs... I'm not sure what I'm going to do but in all honesty I'd rather leave the dent than drill in the fender well. I'll admit I may consider drilling behind the tail light, but as you said that's not really an option so I guess I'll live with the dent. Thanks for the info with the manual, I'll take a look at it and show to the tech and see if we can come up with any ideas. Please let me know if you can think of any other ideas.

kenchan · 07-18-2013, 04:34 PM

^^ np, GL!

darli328 · 07-18-2013, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

^^ np, GL!

Btw, what's a Whale Tail?

kenchan · 07-18-2013, 04:54 PM

it's a pdr tool that looks like a whale tail at the end. i use it mostly for tight space or to remove glue/sealants behind the doors, etc.

darli328 · 07-18-2013, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

it's a pdr tool that looks like a whale tail at the end. i use it mostly for tight space or to remove glue/sealants behind the doors, etc.

Interesting, and thanks again!

darli328 · 07-18-2013, 07:03 PM

Two ideas I had that probably won't work but wanted to see if anyone had some thoughts. Can the silver door hook be removed or is it welded on? Looks like it has special screws to me but I'm pretty much a noob here. If so, would that be a viable option to gain access to the rear panel area.
Also, what about the rubber/plastic trim just above the door handle and in front of the pretty much useless rear side window? Obviously I don't know much about PDR or how big the tools are. But, looks to me those plastic clips in question can be removed but I'm not sure if you can get access anywhere from there.

DIGItonium · 07-19-2013, 01:18 PM

Both of my front fenders, rear quarter panel, trunk lid, and door were PDR'd. I should get the car back this Monday. I dropped by to peek at it in the paint booth, and it looks very good. The tech was able to fix the nasty hail damage on the body line of the fender.

kenchan · 07-19-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium

Both of my front fenders, rear quarter panel, trunk lid, and door were PDR'd. I should get the car back this Monday. I dropped by to peek at it in the paint booth, and it looks very good. The tech was able to fix the nasty hail damage on the body line of the fender.

digi-good to hear your car's coming along.

the front fender should be pretty easy as there's only the plastic liner to peel back. the rear quarter has a layer of metal that blocks access to the arch area so a bit more tricky to gain access. that's why darli's PDR guy couldn't fix his because darli does not want the tech to drill an access hole.

DIGItonium · 07-19-2013, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

digi-good to hear your car's coming along.

Thanks! I'm going crazy without the car. In fact, most of the dents weren't popped out, but the tech filled it in and sanded it down smooth. The fenders and roof were painted on the car, and the door was removed prior to painting.

darli328 · 07-20-2013, 01:50 PM

Is there anywhere else to drill besides in the fender well? What about removing interior trim pieces? Someone mentioned behind the tail light might be an option...

kenchan · 07-19-2013, 01:20 PM

download the entire service manual here:

2009 370z Service Manual Complete ready to Download!

then look at the BRM p32.

KcL@AOI · 07-21-2013, 09:13 AM

kenchan · 07-31-2013, 07:38 PM

Just over the weekend my G35C got hit by a rock or something dented the hood about 2" inward. I used the tab holes to gain access to get about 90% out. Then enlarged the hole using a metal cutting dremel to get the last 10% out.

That is the difference between good and great work.

If you let the shop drill you can get the rest of it out.

07-19-2013, 01:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
DIGItonium A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,800 Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT Rep Power: 43	Both of my front fenders, rear quarter panel, trunk lid, and door were PDR'd. I should get the car back this Monday. I dropped by to peek at it in the paint booth, and it looks very good. The tech was able to fix the nasty hail damage on the body line of the fender. __________________

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	btw, drilling an access hole is common practice in PDR. since you told your tech not to drill, then yah, there is no way he can fix that ding. i wont be able to fix it either without drilling. if you can overcome that fear, he can probably fix it to about 98-99% if he's willing to take the time. he would then either use silicon glue or plug. it's no big deal really. get a cup of coffee if you can't stand watching.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	^^ np, GL!

07-18-2013, 04:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	it's a pdr tool that looks like a whale tail at the end. i use it mostly for tight space or to remove glue/sealants behind the doors, etc.

07-18-2013, 07:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
darli328 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Seattle Posts: 198 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 13	Two ideas I had that probably won't work but wanted to see if anyone had some thoughts. Can the silver door hook be removed or is it welded on? Looks like it has special screws to me but I'm pretty much a noob here. If so, would that be a viable option to gain access to the rear panel area. Also, what about the rubber/plastic trim just above the door handle and in front of the pretty much useless rear side window? Obviously I don't know much about PDR or how big the tools are. But, looks to me those plastic clips in question can be removed but I'm not sure if you can get access anywhere from there.

07-20-2013, 01:50 PM	#12 (permalink)
darli328 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Seattle Posts: 198 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 13	Is there anywhere else to drill besides in the fender well? What about removing interior trim pieces? Someone mentioned behind the tail light might be an option...

07-19-2013, 01:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	download the entire service manual here: 2009 370z Service Manual Complete ready to Download! then look at the BRM p32.

07-21-2013, 09:13 AM	#14 (permalink)
KcL@AOI Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ATL (KENNESAW) Posts: 157 Drives: '10 370z Nismo #0071 Rep Power: 16

07-31-2013, 07:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	Just over the weekend my G35C got hit by a rock or something dented the hood about 2" inward. I used the tab holes to gain access to get about 90% out. Then enlarged the hole using a metal cutting dremel to get the last 10% out. That is the difference between good and great work. If you let the shop drill you can get the rest of it out.