My clearcoat is blistering!!!

flashburn · 01-06-2010, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juicybusa

Many reasons, some legitimate as most people shy away from late model expensive cars that don't have a clear car- fax. And in very general terms a dealership paint job is not as good as a correct factory paint in either appearance or durability.

Everything I have read is that unless you are looking to sell/trade-in a new car after only a year or two of ownership, a repaint won't really affect the depreciation of a car.

Also as far as the quality of the work, that seems highly subjective. It has a lifetime warranty and if it doesn't look perfect then I won't accept it, which they know.

juicybusa · 01-06-2010, 02:26 PM

If your happy-I'm happy-good luck

flashburn · 01-09-2010, 02:07 PM

Car should be ready to pick up on Monday or Tuesday. Can't wait.

370Zsteve · 01-10-2010, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by flashburn

Car should be ready to pick up on Monday or Tuesday. Can't wait.

Congratulations!

btw I agree about depreciation you should check with a lawyer and/or our insurance company about diminished value.

Good luck, car looks great in that photo.

caj77 · 01-10-2010, 10:09 PM

I had to jump into this thread...I debated, but it was killing me:

Flashburn - Sorry for your troubles. It sucks when good money is spent (any amount) on an emotional purchase and something is wrong beyond your control. Although everyone that responded had their own way to go about it, I can understand your confusion...because who goes through this kind of crap on a regular basis?

Although it sucks to hear, Nissan Corp is right...all they have to do is repaint the car. They didnt have to offer you anything extra. I live in FL as well. FL lemon law would require the same instance numerous times before you could get remedy based on prorated scale. Be glad you didnt have to do through this.

At the end of the day, you got your car and an extra warranty. Score!

As for 370Z Steve - You are sincerely misinformed. If you really, honestly feel that dealerships or the Factory paint/repaint cars to a premier level, you are for lack of a better word, a moron. There are a substantial amount of steps that a private body shop will go through to make the paint job pristine...sanding, blocking, sanding, blocking, etc...there is an old saying about painters...the more time spent on prep, the better the paint job. Do you really think the dealership or the Factory will spend as much time on perfection? While I cant specifically say yes, I am going to say no. Now, Im not talking about Maaco or some crap like that. There are plenty of really good body shops out there that take pride in their work. Most likely, they are know to be the most expensive in your neighborhood. Its for a reason.

So based on one of your snide remarks about German cars...go buy a German car, I own 3 of them. Not Volkswagons either...3 super fast 2 door ones with lots of heritage. One of them is black and you can see some waves...from the factory.

Regarding the value of your "blemished" Z...I say BS. Its not going to show up on a carfax or anything like that because its not a insurance job, etc...Nissan is just going to strip and paint it under the wire. While your VIN may be in the Nissan Service log, its not gonna show up on any other reports.

The guy who mentioned the paint magnet and will be able to prove that a few millimeters more/less is on the car is 100% correct but someone has to see it/look for it. With the damage not on carfax, unless its a crappy paint job (which you are not going to stand for) wont see it.

Enjoy your car, drive it hard and have fun.

caj77 · 01-10-2010, 10:09 PM

I had to jump into this thread...I debated, but it was killing me:

Flashburn - Sorry for your troubles. It sucks when good money is spent (any amount) on an emotional purchase and something is wrong beyond your control. Although everyone that responded had their own way to go about it, I can understand your confusion...because who goes through this kind of crap on a regular basis?

Although it sucks to hear, Nissan Corp is right...all they have to do is repaint the car. They didnt have to offer you anything extra. I live in FL as well. FL lemon law would require the same instance numerous times before you could get remedy based on prorated scale. Be glad you didnt have to do through this.

At the end of the day, you got your car and an extra warranty. Score!

As for 370Z Steve - You are sincerely misinformed. If you really, honestly feel that dealerships or the Factory paint/repaint cars to a premier level, you are for lack of a better word, a moron. There are a substantial amount of steps that a private body shop will go through to make the paint job pristine...sanding, blocking, sanding, blocking, etc...there is an old saying about painters...the more time spent on prep, the better the paint job. Do you really think the dealership or the Factory will spend as much time on perfection? While I cant specifically say yes, I am going to say no. Now, Im not talking about Maaco or some crap like that. There are plenty of really good body shops out there that take pride in their work. Most likely, they are know to be the most expensive in your neighborhood. Its for a reason.

So based on one of your snide remarks about German cars...go buy a German car, I own 3 of them. Not Volkswagons either...3 super fast 2 door ones with lots of heritage. One of them is black and you can see some waves...from the factory.

Regarding the value of your "blemished" Z...I say BS. Its not going to show up on a carfax or anything like that because its not a insurance job, etc...Nissan is just going to strip and paint it under the wire. While your VIN may be in the Nissan Service log, its not gonna show up on any other reports.

The guy who mentioned the paint magnet and will be able to prove that a few millimeters more/less is on the car is 100% correct but someone has to see it/look for it. With the damage not on carfax, unless its a crappy paint job (which you are not going to stand for) wont see it.

Enjoy your car, drive it hard and have fun.

370Zsteve · 01-12-2010, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caj77

I had to jump into this thread...I debated, but it was killing me:

Flashburn - Sorry for your troubles. It sucks when good money is spent (any amount) on an emotional purchase and something is wrong beyond your control. Although everyone that responded had their own way to go about it, I can understand your confusion...because who goes through this kind of crap on a regular basis?

Although it sucks to hear, Nissan Corp is right...all they have to do is repaint the car. They didnt have to offer you anything extra. I live in FL as well. FL lemon law would require the same instance numerous times before you could get remedy based on prorated scale. Be glad you didnt have to do through this.

At the end of the day, you got your car and an extra warranty. Score!

As for 370Z Steve - You are sincerely misinformed. If you really, honestly feel that dealerships or the Factory paint/repaint cars to a premier level, you are for lack of a better word, a moron. There are a substantial amount of steps that a private body shop will go through to make the paint job pristine...sanding, blocking, sanding, blocking, etc...there is an old saying about painters...the more time spent on prep, the better the paint job. Do you really think the dealership or the Factory will spend as much time on perfection? While I cant specifically say yes, I am going to say no. Now, Im not talking about Maaco or some crap like that. There are plenty of really good body shops out there that take pride in their work. Most likely, they are know to be the most expensive in your neighborhood. Its for a reason.

So based on one of your snide remarks about German cars...go buy a German car, I own 3 of them. Not Volkswagons either...3 super fast 2 door ones with lots of heritage. One of them is black and you can see some waves...from the factory.

Regarding the value of your "blemished" Z...I say BS. Its not going to show up on a carfax or anything like that because its not a insurance job, etc...Nissan is just going to strip and paint it under the wire. While your VIN may be in the Nissan Service log, its not gonna show up on any other reports.

The guy who mentioned the paint magnet and will be able to prove that a few millimeters more/less is on the car is 100% correct but someone has to see it/look for it. With the damage not on carfax, unless its a crappy paint job (which you are not going to stand for) wont see it.

Enjoy your car, drive it hard and have fun.

Since I never stated that dealerships paint cars to a premium level, may I suggest that you are the moron?

I own a Mercedes Benz. It has the finest paint job of any car I've owned in my entire life. Keep talking, I'll bring the popcorn and a shoehorn to remove the misplaced appendage from your mouth. Oh, and it's spelled Volkswagen, another brand with outstanding paint, sorry to hear about the crappy paint on your Porsches, perhaps now that VW owns the marque, things will get better.

Oh and caj, double-post FAIL.

FuszNissan · 01-12-2010, 12:27 PM

flashburn · 01-12-2010, 07:55 PM

*sigh* No car for me yet. Drove all the way down there after it was supposedly done and "perfect". We drove it into the shop and almost immediately I noticed some fisheye type imperfections in the clearcoat that you could see and really feel. Also noticed a few other blemishes and crap. They seem to think they can get it out without having to repaint or do anything else drastic, we shall see. FML.

Luckily the service manager is going to drive it the 2 1/2 hours to my house once it is finished "finished" so we can look at it under my flourescents to make sure everything is definitely good. At this point I really blame this being such a huge pain on Nissan Corporate as they were the ones that basically forced me to have to deal with the Tampa Nissan dealer and not my local Deland Nissan, even though they acknowledged the problem as a factory defect.

mick · 01-12-2010, 08:16 PM

wow. you are a patient person. if it was me, i would have got me a lawyer to get me out of the deal.

juicybusa · 01-13-2010, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashburn

*sigh* No car for me yet. Drove all the way down there after it was supposedly done and "perfect". We drove it into the shop and almost immediately I noticed some fisheye type imperfections in the clearcoat that you could see and really feel. Also noticed a few other blemishes and crap. They seem to think they can get it out without having to repaint or do anything else drastic, we shall see. FML.

Luckily the service manager is going to drive it the 2 1/2 hours to my house once it is finished "finished" so we can look at it under my flourescents to make sure everything is definitely good. At this point I really blame this being such a huge pain on Nissan Corporate as they were the ones that basically forced me to have to deal with the Tampa Nissan dealer and not my local Deland Nissan, even though they acknowledged the problem as a factory defect.

I sincerely take no pleasure in being the one to say I told you so. And I would bet that the obvious things you initially saw wrong are the tip of the iceberg. I've personally experienced similar situations as well as first hand observation of other's misfortune with repaints of a new vehicle-coulda woulda shoulda but you should have gotten a good attorney. No one should be so naive that they believe nissan is looking out for their interest over their own-

flashburn · 01-13-2010, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juicybusa

I sincerely take no pleasure in being the one to say I told you so. And I would bet that the obvious things you initially saw wrong are the tip of the iceberg. I've personally experienced similar situations as well as first hand observation of other's misfortune with repaints of a new vehicle-coulda woulda shoulda but you should have gotten a good attorney. No one should be so naive that they believe nissan is looking out for their interest over their own-

What exactly do you mean by "tip of the iceberg"? Honestly other than the fisheye spots, which there were only about 4-5 and only on the A-pillars, there were just a few other blemishes. Other than that the paint job did look perfect.

The messed up thing is that they pulled in a brand new red 370Z that was on sale on their lot, and we found similiar blemishes in the clearcoat, just not to the extent that was seen on my original paint job. I think that if any of you guys pull up under some good florescent lighting you are going to see similar imperfections in the clearcoat, just hopefully not to the extent of my original paint job.

OldGuy · 01-13-2010, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashburn

What exactly do you mean by "tip of the iceberg"? Honestly other than the fisheye spots, which there were only about 4-5 and only on the A-pillars, there were just a few other blemishes. Other than that the paint job did look perfect.

The messed up thing is that they pulled in a brand new red 370Z that was on sale on their lot, and we found similiar blemishes in the clearcoat, just not to the extent that was seen on my original paint job. I think that if any of you guys pull up under some good florescent lighting you are going to see similar imperfections in the clearcoat, just hopefully not to the extent of my original paint job.

There was one very small and hard to see stain, similar to what you're describing, on the hood of my red 370. You could see it only when the light shined on it at a certain angle. I thought it was a tree sap stain or something. Unfortunately, I didn't detect it until I got the car home. Took it to another (closer) dealer a few days after delivery and they promptly and courteously "repaired" it under warranty. They used wet sand and other techniques I know nothing about, except that the car is now absolutely perfect without having re-painted the hood. Fair enough.

flashburn · 01-15-2010, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldGuy

There was one very small and hard to see stain, similar to what you're describing, on the hood of my red 370. You could see it only when the light shined on it at a certain angle. I thought it was a tree sap stain or something. Unfortunately, I didn't detect it until I got the car home. Took it to another (closer) dealer a few days after delivery and they promptly and courteously "repaired" it under warranty. They used wet sand and other techniques I know nothing about, except that the car is now absolutely perfect without having re-painted the hood. Fair enough.

Yeah unfortunately they tried wet-sanding, buffing, etc, but nothing was able to remove the original problem.

flashburn · 01-15-2010, 06:42 AM

So they delivered my car to my house last night. I gotta say, it looks pretty damn perfect now. They were able to remove all of the problems I spotted the other day, and I'd even go so far as to say it looks better than the factory job (one that isn't defective that is) on a Z. Especially after we looked at the red Z they had on their lot under the florescents, it had many blemishes and imperfections in the clearcoat.

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