not impressed with my twm short throw shifter

RN SHARK · 01-13-2015, 02:10 PM

I agree with the heavier, deep-set knob on the stock shifter. And side note, the best short shifting car I've ever experienced is my brother's FD RX-7. I compare everything to that so I'll always be disappointed.

onzedge · 01-13-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, the z's gates are pretty short already. wat i did was just got a shorter sitting heavier knob (twm big type r) on stock shifter. very nice feel.

I run with a Tommy Kaira knob and B&M short shifter. I am quite pleased.

fairlady_z34 · 01-13-2015, 03:09 PM

i do have a heavier knob. blox 450gram knob

jwick · 01-13-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fairlady_z34

i do have a heavier knob. blox 450gram knob

I have a heavy knob too...oh, wait. Never mind

dP3NGU1N · 01-15-2015, 08:34 AM

I still have mine sitting in the packaging. I think what I'm going to do is get an extension and a Carbing high grip knob and install them all at once.

My train of thought is that net shifting distance will be about the same due to the extension and the short throw shifter cancelling each other out and the knob will be closer to the steering wheel. It's going to look funky to some, but race car.

Is my thought process on point or flawed? I'd love to know if anyone's done the same for the same reason. I know 7419sundat above me mentioned they got an extension and liked it. I'm curious why you went that route.

edub370 · 01-15-2015, 10:54 AM

why get a short throw shifter & install a taller knob just to get the same shift knob travel? doesnt seem like you would be gaining anything.. except for a notchier feel?

seems like u might as well have stayed stock with a better knob.

The BlueMax · 01-18-2015, 01:58 AM

I just got a B&M for Christmas and I don’t like the feedback I’m hearing from you guys. The Hurst competition plus made my T-56 feel grade in my 1997 Pontiac T/A WS6. Now thats a wonderful feeling transmission.

dP3NGU1N · 01-18-2015, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

why get a short throw shifter & install a taller knob just to get the same shift knob travel? doesnt seem like you would be gaining anything.. except for a notchier feel?

seems like u might as well have stayed stock with a better knob.

Less time reaching down to shift means more time with both hands on the steering wheel. Especially helpful mid corner, particularly aggressive sweepers, when you want max control of the vehicle. Also extremely good mid transition during a drift, once again, getting back control of the steering wheel is quite important. Yes throw would be about the same (hopefully), but distance between steering wheel and shift knob would be greatly reduced - which is the point, in case you missed it.

And extension WITHOUT the short throw shifter would result in an even longer throw than stock.

I don't know that there would actually be a notchier feel because the moment arm would be about the same. Of course that's just my assumption, I could be wrong on that point. The idea is that the longer shift knob would cancel out the leverage you lose when you switch to a short throw shift assembly.

As far as a better knob goes. I'm currently using a hebi bebi shift knob. Perfectly happy with it, but I do find myself searching for it when I'm on track which is why I am considering the extension. You have to keep in mind that a short throw shifter is not simply making your shift knob "lower". It actually changes the shifting geometry by changing the pivot point so there is less mechanical travel. The length of the knob in regards to that is irrelevant other than the aforementioned leverage.

onzedge · 01-18-2015, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N

Less time reaching down to shift means more time with both hands on the steering wheel. Especially helpful mid corner, particularly aggressive sweepers, when you want max control of the vehicle. Also extremely good mid transition during a drift, once again, getting back control of the steering wheel is quite important. Yes throw would be about the same (hopefully), but distance between steering wheel and shift knob would be greatly reduced - which is the point, in case you missed it.

And extension WITHOUT the short throw shifter would result in an even longer throw than stock.

I don't know that there would actually be a notchier feel because the moment arm would be about the same. Of course that's just my assumption, I could be wrong on that point. The idea is that the longer shift knob would cancel out the leverage you lose when you switch to a short throw shift assembly.

As far as a better knob goes. I'm currently using a hebi bebi shift knob. Perfectly happy with it, but I do find myself searching for it when I'm on track which is why I am considering the extension. You have to keep in mind that a short throw shifter is not simply making your shift knob "lower". It actually changes the shifting geometry by changing the pivot point so there is less mechanical travel. The length of the knob in regards to that is irrelevant other than the aforementioned leverage.

Nice write up...

Hotrodz · 01-18-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dP3NGU1N

Less time reaching down to shift means more time with both hands on the steering wheel. Especially helpful mid corner, particularly aggressive sweepers, when you want max control of the vehicle. Also extremely good mid transition during a drift, once again, getting back control of the steering wheel is quite important. Yes throw would be about the same (hopefully), but distance between steering wheel and shift knob would be greatly reduced - which is the point, in case you missed it.

And extension WITHOUT the short throw shifter would result in an even longer throw than stock.

I don't know that there would actually be a notchier feel because the moment arm would be about the same. Of course that's just my assumption, I could be wrong on that point. The idea is that the longer shift knob would cancel out the leverage you lose when you switch to a short throw shift assembly.

As far as a better knob goes. I'm currently using a hebi bebi shift knob. Perfectly happy with it, but I do find myself searching for it when I'm on track which is why I am considering the extension. You have to keep in mind that a short throw shifter is not simply making your shift knob "lower". It actually changes the shifting geometry by changing the pivot point so there is less mechanical travel. The length of the knob in regards to that is irrelevant other than the aforementioned leverage.

So what you are saying is the throws are the same, but the shaft is longer, reducing the reach to the shifter as well!!!

dP3NGU1N · 01-18-2015, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

So what you are saying is the throws are the same, but the shaft is longer, reducing the reach to the shifter as well!!!

That would be the idea.

not an original one, either. Rally cross has been doing this forever and drifters are also Doing the same thing. I've recently heard a lot of people calling it rice and I don't think they quite understand that it has roots in functionality.

sandersd · 01-26-2015, 07:48 AM

I had a B&M Trak shifter in my 911. It had an extra long handle to raise the shift knob to the centerline of the steering wheel. The location made shifting effortless and fluid. When I change my shifter on the Z I plan on an extension to achieve the same.

onzedge · 01-26-2015, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sandersd

I had a B&M Trak shifter in my 911. It had an extra long handle to raise the shift knob to the centerline of the steering wheel. The location made shifting effortless and fluid. When I change my shifter on the Z I plan on an extension to achieve the same.

12nismo · 01-26-2015, 10:03 AM

I'm running the TWM SS with an extender and weighted TWM M1 abrams knob. I couldnt be happier with the throw/feel with this set-up. Even with the extender it feels like a shorter throw than stock and gets rid of the rubbery/sloppy feel of the stock set-up.

dP3NGU1N · 01-26-2015, 10:49 AM

Knew I couldn't be the only person looking into this. See, everyone? Not crazy.

I'm actually looking at this 7" knob now so I don't need to get an extended shaft: Competition Series Shift Knob | TWM Performance Shift Knobs

You know..... to impress the ladies...

Totally not compensating for anything.

01-13-2015, 02:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
RN SHARK Track Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Wake Forest, NC Age: 43 Posts: 618 Drives: 09 370Z, 14 SRT GC Rep Power: 34	I agree with the heavier, deep-set knob on the stock shifter. And side note, the best short shifting car I've ever experienced is my brother's FD RX-7. I compare everything to that so I'll always be disappointed. __________________ ___________ '09 6sp/Z1/PowerTrix/SPL/Swift/SRP/Whiteline/F.I.LTH&CBE/UpRev by Seb/CJM/Stillen/Ings+1/RJM/TrackSpec/Sparco/Motul/Wavetrac/Coolerworx/Verus/CraftSquare '14 SRT Grand Cherokee; '08 TL Type-S

01-15-2015, 08:34 AM	#20 (permalink)
dP3NGU1N A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Irvine Posts: 1,682 Drives: 13 PW sport 6mt Rep Power: 18	I still have mine sitting in the packaging. I think what I'm going to do is get an extension and a Carbing high grip knob and install them all at once. My train of thought is that net shifting distance will be about the same due to the extension and the short throw shifter cancelling each other out and the knob will be closer to the steering wheel. It's going to look funky to some, but race car. Is my thought process on point or flawed? I'd love to know if anyone's done the same for the same reason. I know 7419sundat above me mentioned they got an extension and liked it. I'm curious why you went that route. __________________ 35% Hooper Optik \| Takeda Attack CAI \| F.I. HFC \| Hotchkis Sway Bar \| Stillen 24row \| OS Giken Super Lock LSD \| TK Shift Knob \| EVO-R Carbon Diffuser

01-15-2015, 10:54 AM	#21 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 19	why get a short throw shifter & install a taller knob just to get the same shift knob travel? doesnt seem like you would be gaining anything.. except for a notchier feel? seems like u might as well have stayed stock with a better knob. Hotrodz likes this. __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

01-18-2015, 01:58 AM	#22 (permalink)
The BlueMax Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Louisville Posts: 337 Drives: 09 370/97 T/A 01 ZRX Rep Power: 25	Second Thoughts I just got a B&M for Christmas and I don’t like the feedback I’m hearing from you guys. The Hurst competition plus made my T-56 feel grade in my 1997 Pontiac T/A WS6. Now thats a wonderful feeling transmission. __________________ The Blue Max

01-26-2015, 07:48 AM	#27 (permalink)
sandersd Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 280 Drives: 2014 370z Nismo Rep Power: 10	I had a B&M Trak shifter in my 911. It had an extra long handle to raise the shift knob to the centerline of the steering wheel. The location made shifting effortless and fluid. When I change my shifter on the Z I plan on an extension to achieve the same. onzedge and Eagle like this. __________________ 2014 370Z NISMO -- HKS Hi-Power Exhaust -- Swift Springs -- BC ER Coilovers -- SPL Suspension Components -- Nismo R-Tune Intake -- Seibon BD CF Hood

01-13-2015, 03:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
fairlady_z34 Track Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: socal Posts: 568 Drives: 09 370z touring Rep Power: 12	i do have a heavier knob. blox 450gram knob

01-26-2015, 10:49 AM	#30 (permalink)
dP3NGU1N A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Irvine Posts: 1,682 Drives: 13 PW sport 6mt Rep Power: 18	Knew I couldn't be the only person looking into this. See, everyone? Not crazy. I'm actually looking at this 7" knob now so I don't need to get an extended shaft: Competition Series Shift Knob \| TWM Performance Shift Knobs You know..... to impress the ladies... Totally not compensating for anything. Eagle likes this. __________________ 35% Hooper Optik \| Takeda Attack CAI \| F.I. HFC \| Hotchkis Sway Bar \| Stillen 24row \| OS Giken Super Lock LSD \| TK Shift Knob \| EVO-R Carbon Diffuser

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