Oil Cooler hose exploded

travisjb · 02-05-2010, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

^^ this is the first instance of this happening, while it sucks and I'm sorry for the OP I don't see it being a reoccurring issue. In for pics hopefully it's a quick fix, unfortunately its going to cost you to get good oil back in there damn ester prices!

um, no it isn't... happened to me and I blew an engine... same exact thing - not the GTM kit though

m4a1mustang · 02-05-2010, 12:56 PM

That sucks! Looking forward to seeing those pics to see if we can help figure out what went wrong.

Modshack · 02-05-2010, 01:04 PM

Wow...Poorly assembled hose I suspect. Adding an AN fitting is pretty cut and dried, but people do make mistakes. Correctly done they should never come apart. I've put many of them together, but find the newer socketless approach easier and essentially a no-brainer. With a DIY, YOU have control over all this. Sorry for the problems. I think TravisB lost an engine from a similar problem...

(BTW, there is no need to loctite an AN fitting)

Quality Aeroquipt Hose and fittings just do not have a history of failing if assembled correctly.. Who knows what the hose brand was though...Sometimes on a kit you never know.

Good AN install how-to here: http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?p=18093108

FuszNissan · 02-05-2010, 01:30 PM

I have a 2010 ZR1 for sale

TARDCORE · 02-05-2010, 07:22 PM

I dont know how a threaded, steel braided hose disconnects itself like that. Its not touching any moving parts in fact we were nearly standing on the bumper and turning the tires in both directions to make sure it was touching anything moving. Its such a clean breaking point its strange. I gues that pump really has quite a lot of power. I dont know exactly how GTM is gonna cover it but at this point I dont care. My friend has installed alot if oil coolers and he didnt like the 45 degree AN fittings for the ends on the adapter plate. If you like the smell of burning oil my car is the place to be. oh and smoke from burning oil to.

370Zsteve · 02-05-2010, 07:33 PM

Wow, never seen that happen before.

Modshack · 02-05-2010, 07:41 PM

I'm guessing the hose was not fully seated into the AN fitting as the internal threaded Hose spreader/expander was screwed in, or the hose was not held securly in place while this was being done. It is possible that the internal threaded portion Pushed the hose out toward the end of the fitting as it was being tightened, rather than threading into it (they are a tight fit). These need to be assembled in a vice. This would still look perfectly normal from the outside but have no holding power (Duh!) . Hose Assembler error (or a poor quality AN fitting)

BTW. why all the silicone on the swivel joints? YOu don't need that at all...

TARDCORE · 02-05-2010, 07:41 PM

the annoying thing about it is that all the oil you see there is after we wiped it down so we could start disassembling and find out what the hell happened. We moved the car into the garage because he didnt want it staining his driveway and right when I lifted it up he was like

I just started laughing. Theres nothing I can do but laugh.

tbonesteak · 02-05-2010, 07:40 PM

OMG how does that happen? when i almost pulled the trigger on an oil cooler, gtm was my first choice. Good thing i've decided to build one from scratch as ModShack recommended.

CBRich · 02-05-2010, 08:02 PM

I hate Nissan too because I got a part from another company that was not put together properly. My logic is flawless.

TARDCORE · 02-05-2010, 09:00 PM

lol I dont hate Nissan I just think its an odd problem for a sports car to have in 2010. I have brought the car up to a little over 260F on back roads and I noticed pretty considerable throttle response decrease. I can only compare it to the other 2 cars I have owned. A 1999 Ford Ranger which I drove to Utah from Hemet, Ca 4 times. To vegas a few times. I put alot of miles on it in 4 years and it never gave me any issues with oil. My 2006 RSXS I beat the sh*t out of it even from a cold start when I was messing around with my friend and it never gave me any issues. I am pretty sure I bounced it off the redline everyday in 1st-3rd. The only issue I had was my own fault for destroying the 2nd and 3rd gear synchros due to power shifting. I dont hate the Z, but I a not gonna get up to randomly go drive for the heck of it anymore. I am not mad at GTM its not their fault and I dont know how I could have seen this comming. We even got an air hose and checked for leaks and nothing. If my Z was FI and this happened I wouldnt be so disappointed but its not.

Modshack · 02-05-2010, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TARDCORE

I am not mad at GTM its not their fault and I dont know how I could have seen this comming. We even got an air hose and checked for leaks and nothing..

Well who's fault is it then? They sourced (or made) the part and sold it to you. Admittedly in good faith, but the failure is still theirs to fess up to..

TARDCORE · 02-05-2010, 10:19 PM

well yeah itd be the manufacturers. I dont know what GTM does to the hoses. Maybe they order everything and attach them together. I called them today and they said theyd replace the hoses. I am not sure if itd do me any good to waste their time since I am gonna sell everything I bought for the Z so I dont know if people will want to buy the hoses. Not knocking GTM just not too many people have their kit compared to stillen or your famous DIY kit. Its funny cuz I installed a bunch of stuff on my RSX by myself including the K-Pro ECU and I never had any issues other than my driving habits on the tranny. I install a simple oil cooler and it all goes to sh*t lol I even made my own elbow bracket wityh plyers and a part of a hinge!

Nikon FM · 02-05-2010, 11:17 PM

I bought my GTM oil cooler kit in December and just got it put on 2 weeks ago. I'm curious about when you bought your oil cooler kit? Hopefully this is an isolated experience. I sincerely hope GTM is back tracing their manufacturers errors to provide hoses to all who may be affected.

SoCal 370Z · 02-05-2010, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TARDCORE

I am not sure if itd do me any good to waste their time since I am gonna sell everything I bought for the Z so I dont know if people will want to buy the hoses.

I can see how you'd be pissed, but seriously, this is the life of the aftermarket and with so few Zs actually being produced I am thankful we have as large an aftermarket as we do. Yes, it's a pisser to have to cleanup an oil mess, but borrow a pressure washer with an underbody lance and simply apply a biodegradable degreaser via the pressure washer and then wash off the oil—not all that bad. View it as a lesson learned (believe me...I've been schooled many a time) to check all the parts before installation. GTM employs humans; humans occasionally make mistakes. It's not like GTM set out to piss you off or to get the bad press they are now getting via this thread. I'd keep the setup and work with GTM to resolve the situation. Life's too short to change course in this situation. Recoup, regather, re-install, and enjoy! C'mon man, you own a Z...how people can say that these days?

02-05-2010, 12:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	That sucks! Looking forward to seeing those pics to see if we can help figure out what went wrong. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

02-05-2010, 01:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Modshack A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenville NC Posts: 2,883 Drives: 370Z Sport Rep Power: 978	Wow...Poorly assembled hose I suspect. Adding an AN fitting is pretty cut and dried, but people do make mistakes. Correctly done they should never come apart. I've put many of them together, but find the newer socketless approach easier and essentially a no-brainer. With a DIY, YOU have control over all this. Sorry for the problems. I think TravisB lost an engine from a similar problem... (BTW, there is no need to loctite an AN fitting) Quality Aeroquipt Hose and fittings just do not have a history of failing if assembled correctly.. Who knows what the hose brand was though...Sometimes on a kit you never know. Good AN install how-to here: http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?p=18093108 __________________ Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S Oil Cooler DIY: Here! Last edited by Modshack; 02-05-2010 at 01:26 PM.

02-05-2010, 01:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 544	I have a 2010 ZR1 for sale __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

02-05-2010, 07:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
TARDCORE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 410 Drives: 2010 Solid Red 370Z Rep Power: 18	I dont know how a threaded, steel braided hose disconnects itself like that. Its not touching any moving parts in fact we were nearly standing on the bumper and turning the tires in both directions to make sure it was touching anything moving. Its such a clean breaking point its strange. I gues that pump really has quite a lot of power. I dont know exactly how GTM is gonna cover it but at this point I dont care. My friend has installed alot if oil coolers and he didnt like the 45 degree AN fittings for the ends on the adapter plate. If you like the smell of burning oil my car is the place to be. oh and smoke from burning oil to. __________________ XBL:EVENTYDE

02-05-2010, 07:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 44	Wow, never seen that happen before. __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

02-05-2010, 07:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
Modshack A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenville NC Posts: 2,883 Drives: 370Z Sport Rep Power: 978	I'm guessing the hose was not fully seated into the AN fitting as the internal threaded Hose spreader/expander was screwed in, or the hose was not held securly in place while this was being done. It is possible that the internal threaded portion Pushed the hose out toward the end of the fitting as it was being tightened, rather than threading into it (they are a tight fit). These need to be assembled in a vice. This would still look perfectly normal from the outside but have no holding power (Duh!) . Hose Assembler error (or a poor quality AN fitting) BTW. why all the silicone on the swivel joints? YOu don't need that at all... __________________ Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S Oil Cooler DIY: Here! Last edited by Modshack; 02-05-2010 at 08:57 PM.

02-05-2010, 07:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
TARDCORE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 410 Drives: 2010 Solid Red 370Z Rep Power: 18	the annoying thing about it is that all the oil you see there is after we wiped it down so we could start disassembling and find out what the hell happened. We moved the car into the garage because he didnt want it staining his driveway and right when I lifted it up he was like I just started laughing. Theres nothing I can do but laugh. __________________ XBL:EVENTYDE

02-05-2010, 07:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 377	OMG how does that happen? when i almost pulled the trigger on an oil cooler, gtm was my first choice. Good thing i've decided to build one from scratch as ModShack recommended.

02-05-2010, 08:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 546	I hate Nissan too because I got a part from another company that was not put together properly. My logic is flawless. Slinky likes this.

02-05-2010, 09:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
TARDCORE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 410 Drives: 2010 Solid Red 370Z Rep Power: 18	lol I dont hate Nissan I just think its an odd problem for a sports car to have in 2010. I have brought the car up to a little over 260F on back roads and I noticed pretty considerable throttle response decrease. I can only compare it to the other 2 cars I have owned. A 1999 Ford Ranger which I drove to Utah from Hemet, Ca 4 times. To vegas a few times. I put alot of miles on it in 4 years and it never gave me any issues with oil. My 2006 RSXS I beat the sh*t out of it even from a cold start when I was messing around with my friend and it never gave me any issues. I am pretty sure I bounced it off the redline everyday in 1st-3rd. The only issue I had was my own fault for destroying the 2nd and 3rd gear synchros due to power shifting. I dont hate the Z, but I a not gonna get up to randomly go drive for the heck of it anymore. I am not mad at GTM its not their fault and I dont know how I could have seen this comming. We even got an air hose and checked for leaks and nothing. If my Z was FI and this happened I wouldnt be so disappointed but its not. __________________ XBL:EVENTYDE

02-05-2010, 10:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
TARDCORE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 410 Drives: 2010 Solid Red 370Z Rep Power: 18	well yeah itd be the manufacturers. I dont know what GTM does to the hoses. Maybe they order everything and attach them together. I called them today and they said theyd replace the hoses. I am not sure if itd do me any good to waste their time since I am gonna sell everything I bought for the Z so I dont know if people will want to buy the hoses. Not knocking GTM just not too many people have their kit compared to stillen or your famous DIY kit. Its funny cuz I installed a bunch of stuff on my RSX by myself including the K-Pro ECU and I never had any issues other than my driving habits on the tranny. I install a simple oil cooler and it all goes to sh*t lol I even made my own elbow bracket wityh plyers and a part of a hinge! __________________ XBL:EVENTYDE

02-05-2010, 11:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
Nikon FM Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Snoqualmie WA Posts: 973 Drives: 03 996TT Porsche Rep Power: 608	I bought my GTM oil cooler kit in December and just got it put on 2 weeks ago. I'm curious about when you bought your oil cooler kit? Hopefully this is an isolated experience. I sincerely hope GTM is back tracing their manufacturers errors to provide hoses to all who may be affected. __________________ Buddy Revell: "One man's sooner is another man's later"

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