No Full Synthetic Oil in the Z?

j.arnaldo · 11-07-2009, 11:18 AM

There are two types of stealerships: The bad and the worse. No two ways about it!

DooDooBrown · 11-07-2009, 11:31 AM

The dude is full of crap. I had to top off my oil, and the local Nissan dealership told me that all they used was Moble1 synthetic.... How can a car not be designed to run on synthetic?? Did you mention to him that factory oil is part synthetic??

j.arnaldo · 11-07-2009, 12:36 PM

No use arguing with 'em; they look down on their "valued customer$"!

dcrew1x · 11-07-2009, 07:40 PM

I've changed my oil at 1400miles to Redline synthetic and have had 0 issues and the drive is smoother.

molamann · 11-07-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt

It's recommended, at the very least, to use Nissan's Ester Oil for the first oil change, especially if you're doing it during the break-in period for the car. Nissan Ester Oil is recommended, but not necessary.

Many members have switched to full synthetics such as Redline, Royal Purple, or Mobil 1 at the 3k, 5k, and 10k marks, none of those with any issues.

I thought Mobil 1 isn't a full synthetic.

370Zsteve · 11-07-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molamann

I thought Mobil 1 isn't a full synthetic.

Roger that!

jpit · 11-07-2009, 08:06 PM

At one time Mobil 1 was fully synthetic but they lost a lawsuit to Castrol who advertised their oil as fully synthetic but was using an organic base. Mobil then changed their formula and started using an organic base which is cheaper to produce. A few years ago Mobil came out with their extended performance synthetic oil which is fully synthetic.

Smallywood · 11-07-2009, 08:11 PM

Using Mobil 1 full synthetic, which was recommended by my dealer. No issues.

simota1 · 11-08-2009, 02:27 AM

hahha man that guy is full of crap.... swtich to full synthetic.... at 3000k runs smother than before.... ahhaha and no problem man if i dealer said that to me.... ill tell him straight to his face his a idiot hahaha

kannibul · 11-08-2009, 03:47 AM

Something like 90% of break-in occurs when the engine is first fired up, and most japanese manufacturers strap it to a dyno and run it all the way up to redline under load to prove it's a good engine.

So, taking that into consideration, there isn't really any "break in" that needs to be done with conventional oil. Plus, with our cam system, we need all the lubrication we can get. If you feel the need to break in your engine, and you put in synthetic oil, figure you just need to hammer the throttle a bit harder than the guy driving like a 90yr old grandma with a reaction time measured in minutes, to make up for the lubrication property differences...

The dealership where I bought my motorcycle tried to tell me the same thing - I spent 2 minutes arguing with them on why that recommendation is BS, and they finally said something to the effect of "it's your bike, we're just saying..." and I finished their sentence with "a load of ********", and I walked out...

All I was ther for was for a couple crush washers =/

j.arnaldo · 11-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Now jpit's got me wondering 'bout the cases and cases of "regular" Mobil 1 I purchased some time back! I've been using "regular" Mobil 1 since 1998 or '99, with fine results, so far...Rats! I've got something like 6 or 7 cases of 5W30 oil stored for the next round of oil changes (my 350's in January '10, and my wife's Pathfinder in February of the same year). I'm just NOT gonna worry 'bout it, 'cause I ain't gonna dump the stuff into Pep Boys' used oil drums! Only time will tell...

1slow370 · 11-09-2009, 01:40 AM

Listen guys they are a Nissan dealership if you have a problem with nissan's policy on the ester oil call nissan. YOu both aren't informed correctly read your owners manual and your warranty and you will find out that the current standing from nissan is that the ester oil is best for the engine (arguable personally i don't think it is and it's a scam) this is what they tell the service department to do. It is a dealer service department not regular shop so they follow the book and company policy. If you read your warranty book they will not void the warranty if you do not use ester oil just like they won't if you install a cat-back but do me a favor buy a F.I. Exhaust and try to have a nissan dealer install it and see what they say. Not that you can't do it, they just won't. Service departments that will put in an oil other than the ester oil ARE NOT FOLLOWING NISSAN RECOMMENDED SERVICE PROCEDURE good or bad it's not how NISSAN rolls.

Edit: Take your car somewhere else have them put in the oil that makes you happy and keep the receipt in with your warranty book that is all nissan requires you to do.

370Zsteve · 11-09-2009, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kannibul

Something like 90% of break-in occurs when the engine is first fired up, and most japanese manufacturers strap it to a dyno and run it all the way up to redline under load to prove it's a good engine.

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Where do you come up with this schitt?

Matt · 11-09-2009, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Where do you come up with this schitt?

370Zsteve · 11-09-2009, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

11-07-2009, 07:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
dcrew1x Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 821 Drives: Graphite Bullet Rep Power: 368	I've changed my oil at 1400miles to Redline synthetic and have had 0 issues and the drive is smoother. __________________ 2009 PG 6MT Sports Stillen Gen3 CAI \| Stillen CBE \| AMS Short Shifter \| Nismo Brace Kit

11-07-2009, 08:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
Smallywood Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 501 Drives: 12 GT-R BlackEdition Rep Power: 16	Using Mobil 1 full synthetic, which was recommended by my dealer. No issues. __________________

11-08-2009, 02:27 AM	#24 (permalink)
simota1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Dededo, Guam Posts: 6,642 Drives: solid red 370z 6mt Rep Power: 404	hahha man that guy is full of crap.... swtich to full synthetic.... at 3000k runs smother than before.... ahhaha and no problem man if i dealer said that to me.... ill tell him straight to his face his a idiot hahaha __________________ *TOP SECRET/POWERHOUSE AMUSE/ARC/DAYTONA RACING/VARIS/MINES/GANADOR/J-LINE/WORK EMOTION CR KAI/GT SPEC/CARBON SIGNAL/ZOOM ENGINEERING/ CARBON FIBER ELEMENT/STILLEN/*

11-09-2009, 01:40 AM	#27 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7250	Listen guys they are a Nissan dealership if you have a problem with nissan's policy on the ester oil call nissan. YOu both aren't informed correctly read your owners manual and your warranty and you will find out that the current standing from nissan is that the ester oil is best for the engine (arguable personally i don't think it is and it's a scam) this is what they tell the service department to do. It is a dealer service department not regular shop so they follow the book and company policy. If you read your warranty book they will not void the warranty if you do not use ester oil just like they won't if you install a cat-back but do me a favor buy a F.I. Exhaust and try to have a nissan dealer install it and see what they say. Not that you can't do it, they just won't. Service departments that will put in an oil other than the ester oil ARE NOT FOLLOWING NISSAN RECOMMENDED SERVICE PROCEDURE good or bad it's not how NISSAN rolls. Edit: Take your car somewhere else have them put in the oil that makes you happy and keep the receipt in with your warranty book that is all nissan requires you to do. Last edited by 1slow370; 11-09-2009 at 01:42 AM.

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11-07-2009, 11:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	There are two types of stealerships: The bad and the worse. No two ways about it!

11-07-2009, 11:31 AM	#17 (permalink)
DooDooBrown Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ranson, WV Posts: 178 Drives: 09 370 Touring w/spt Rep Power: 15	The dude is full of crap. I had to top off my oil, and the local Nissan dealership told me that all they used was Moble1 synthetic.... How can a car not be designed to run on synthetic?? Did you mention to him that factory oil is part synthetic??

11-07-2009, 12:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	No use arguing with 'em; they look down on their "valued customer$"!

11-07-2009, 08:06 PM	#22 (permalink)
jpit Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 440 Drives: 370Z Tour MT w/Spt Rep Power: 16	At one time Mobil 1 was fully synthetic but they lost a lawsuit to Castrol who advertised their oil as fully synthetic but was using an organic base. Mobil then changed their formula and started using an organic base which is cheaper to produce. A few years ago Mobil came out with their extended performance synthetic oil which is fully synthetic.

11-08-2009, 03:47 AM	#25 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 266	Something like 90% of break-in occurs when the engine is first fired up, and most japanese manufacturers strap it to a dyno and run it all the way up to redline under load to prove it's a good engine. So, taking that into consideration, there isn't really any "break in" that needs to be done with conventional oil. Plus, with our cam system, we need all the lubrication we can get. If you feel the need to break in your engine, and you put in synthetic oil, figure you just need to hammer the throttle a bit harder than the guy driving like a 90yr old grandma with a reaction time measured in minutes, to make up for the lubrication property differences... The dealership where I bought my motorcycle tried to tell me the same thing - I spent 2 minutes arguing with them on why that recommendation is BS, and they finally said something to the effect of "it's your bike, we're just saying..." and I finished their sentence with "a load of ********", and I walked out... All I was ther for was for a couple crush washers =/

11-08-2009, 11:42 AM	#26 (permalink)
j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	Now jpit's got me wondering 'bout the cases and cases of "regular" Mobil 1 I purchased some time back! I've been using "regular" Mobil 1 since 1998 or '99, with fine results, so far...Rats! I've got something like 6 or 7 cases of 5W30 oil stored for the next round of oil changes (my 350's in January '10, and my wife's Pathfinder in February of the same year). I'm just NOT gonna worry 'bout it, 'cause I ain't gonna dump the stuff into Pep Boys' used oil drums! Only time will tell...