Forgot to post last week I have been super busy past couple weeks.

Any way, I got my harness (one of the original beta harnesses) last week and installed it that day. I notice no delay like others have stated in other "for real" threads. Thanks again for the harness Brian!

I was hold off to comment but figured WTF I will now. IMO the reason people are experiencing a delay when starting the car with a pulled fuse is because the computer has to go through extra steps to ensure the car is safe to start. Those wires I commented on in an earlier post have a purpose. Without these the computer will then have to run more tests (this all happens within micro seconds) to ensure the car is in a safe state with no faults before proceeding. The CPU runs in a car runs the same as a CPU for a PLC program (I use at work all the time, I am an electrician) CPU's run off of ladder logic and buy disconnecting this wires and creating more work for the cpu only means it has to run through more rungs in the ladder system. So in turn this means it will feel like the car is taking longer before it turns over and starts.

Thanks for the suggestion, bdl99. However, the thought that my unconscious projections were coloring my experience was put to rest shortly after I reconnected the brown wires and drove off. The perceived loss of throttle response was gone and so was the more pronounced lazy shifting that had developed--I have an automatic. I know what I've described sounds weird, but it is my confirmed experience. But I do intend to try some things before abandoning this steering lock solution.

I know that you can't expect to know the truth about anything if you wittingly or unwittingly project your thought between it and yourself. This idea is at the essence of the word psychosomatic. You replied with a self-assured response without really knowing the truth.

How would wiring a switch in make any difference, I am not following? It's convenient but connecting and disconnecting the brown wires achieves the same end.

Simply for the purpose of a scientific test should you want to carry one out. The switch can just be wired as a temporary setup and held by the passenger. That way the switch state can be changed under various conditions without the knowledge of the driver to rule out any perceived effect.

Thanks, that is why I suggested a few more tests. I wasn't saying it didn't happen but rather something else may have been in play.

If anyone is in the West MI area and needs this installed, PM me.
I will install this for no charge. Well, maybe a beer. :)


ETA on the next batch of cables?

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To those who responded, thanks. I'll comment at a later time if/when I get this issue cleared up. :tiphat:


KaienZ34,
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anytime ;)

I have two spares in stock and have just updated website to reflect that.

After they have gone the next batch is due to be complete in 2 weeks.

I see your point. However, from my point of view a scientific test is that it can be subjective as well as objective. My method just happened to be subjective in this case.
I don't tend to dismiss a "perceived effect" if it makes a continued impression. I very often notice things that other people just don't perceive. For example, the satellite radio reduces the throttle response when it's on; when FM or AM or CD is on, I notice no appreciable difference.

Got it. Thanks!

Nothing wrong with being subjective as long as it is objectively subjective, a double blind test would be just that. You give subjective output based on unknown input parameters. The results are then objectively analyzed.

Beyond that if an issue continues then you may have a grounding issue or potentially an IPDM issue. You can also evaluate the data on the ODBII port for throttle pedal position as well as throttle output to rule out any issue with the pedal output voltages.

mine is in honolulu right now... cant wait to get it....

I got mine. Thanks.

Got mine yesterday, took her out for a drive tonight and she works great. No lag or anything out of the normal. Thanks again Fritz and BDL. Reps for you both!

Thanks and I would just like to add my thanks to Fritz because without his work this wouldn't have happened. The harness is just an plug and play implementation of what Fritz discovered.

Harness installed!! was a breeze took less then 5 minutes. thanks again!

Harness installed. Everything working perfectly. Thanks again!

Got and installed my harness, works great, thanks again. Another thing I wanted to mention is that I was refunded half my delivery charge because I pesume shipping was less than expected. I have never had any business do this before and I was extremely impressed and thought everyone should know the class that bdl99 has. Reps to you and thanks again.

i got mine in the mail yesterday... gotta install it today maybe when i swing by the body shop thanks again bro

Thanks Brian, I got mine in place today; repped! All works perfectly :tiphat:

forgot to update this... installed it in about 5 mins and shes great... no lag or anything like that bye bye steering lock

There are lots of discussions in various threads and I have received several PMs asking my take on the pros and cons of each solution. I've always responded privately up until now and didn't post publicly because I thought that some might think I'm biased. Those who know me or have dealt with me will know that I'm not like that at all. I'm happy to adjust the information below if the facts are incorrect and of course can be backed up with data.

Before I go any further I first want to acknowledged Fritz's work, because without it the plug and play harness wouldn't have been created and I'm sure that the pull the fuse solution wouldn't have either. Or at the very least the other solutions wouldn't have been developed as quickly because Fritz's work proved that removing the power from the lock while in the unlocked state was the key to a solution. Regardless of which solution you go for most of the credit really lies with Fritz.

Pros and Cons of Plug and Play harness vs Pulling the fuse

Plug and Play Harness

Pros:

• The easiest and quickest solution to perform where no trim needs to be removed whatsoever
• Full instructions provided with pictures and a video of the install process
• Fully reversible, either temporarily via switch or by just removing the harness and returning car to factory state
• It only cuts the power to the lock and not the ECU. When pulling the fuse the power is also removed from the ECU. Some have speculated that this has no downside and that appears to be the case except the delays in starting that many have seen.

Cons:

• It costs $50

Pull the fuse:

Pros:

• There is nothing to buy
• It is also reversible - Just put the fuse back in

Cons:

• Although straight forward, it is not as quick and easy to install as the harness. Some have broken clips etc and you do need to be careful, but to be completely unbiased many have done this without issues.
• As mentioned above it does appear that this solution does sometimes cause delays in starting. There are theories that the ECU will learn and adjusting for this and that might be the case. However, typically with ECUs they learn by acquiring data and if that is the case it would normally log that data. The data the ECU would be logging is that it issued a pulse to activate the relay but didn't receive the confirmation via the positive feed from the relay to the ECU. If it is really doing this I would expect this data to be presented/reported when a Consult unit is attached by the dealer. To date no one has confirmed if this happens or not.

To the pros for the harness, it only requires a tiny screwdriver blade to press down the lock tab on the factory connector at lock, and a set of diagonal cutters or scissors to trim the extra plastic on the zip ties after you tidy up the harness under your dash. And a small flashlight or trouble light to help see what you are doing. Install is very fast. Removing it would be equally a breeze, and no worries about what might be going on in the ECU due to the fuse being pulled.
As for the $50 being in the con column, it was worth that much to me for the intellectual property of those that figured it out, designed the harness, sourced the raw materials, tested, packed, shipped, dealt with PayPal and everything else involved. Plus the time save not ******* around under the hood pulling the fusebox out and reinstalling it. And my peace of mind is worth a few bucks too.

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I second this. $50 was well worth it. Bc I look at it as saving me $500 + tax + towing + saving the stress of Not having to watch my car go up a flat bed by someone who could give a fu€|< about my car + being without a car if my lock failed.

Even if I didn't per order before the fuse method came out I still will have got the harness. I was never a fan of doing anything to the fuse box in any of my cars. Even going all the way back to the fast and furious days of interior neon lights and people tapping the power wire under a fuse haha.

Now I get in my car and hit the start button with no worries if the lock will fail
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Hello I have a 2009 nissan 370z i got stranded and dont know how to get the steering wheel into unlock mode anyone help? Then after i get it to unlock mode Ill remove the fuze then hopfully will start.

^ it wont unlock if its already failed.

It does not work on the 470Z that you say you drive.

Just wanted to add that I ordered and received my harness...everything has gone perfectly. Ordering was easy, it showed up right on time, and the install took less than 3 minutes start to finish. Very easy and the piece of mind is totally worth it. If you haven't ordered the harness yet, do it.

Found the site when searching for solutions to the Z not starting.

Tried the "tapping" method and got her back home and into the garage!

Just ordered the harness.

Awesome!

Order shipped. Thanks.

Excited to get this installed. Just ordered. Nothing would be more embarrassing than being stuck somewhere because of such a ridiculous reason. GF would never let me live it down.

UPDATE: Received this 3 days after ordering. Insane responsiveness. Can't wait to install tomorrow. Thanks for everything.

UPDATE 2: Installed this morning. Like most have said, the hardest part was getting my seat adjusted back to where I like it after installation. I will note that you should bring wire cutters (or pliers) and a short flathead screwdriver with you the first time. It's not exactly the easiest position to get in and out of and you don't want to have to do it more than once...

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Where can I order this harness?? LMK thanks!!

Here you go:
Steering Lock Harness - Car Kit Company

Ordered mine. Thanks.

you guys wont regret it!!!! :tup: best mod in my book up to date

I was just about to order a backup steering lock when I saw this post. Thanks to all. I've ordered mine. I have a 09 with 28,000 miles....living on borrowed time.....