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onzedge 10-11-2012 03:24 PM

I just ordered one.

GaleForce 10-11-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1956447)
I just ordered one.

What revision is you new steering lock?

One can never be too careful :tup:

BrianSoCal 10-11-2012 05:29 PM

Order placed (2010 Roadster, 8000 miles, RevC) no failure yet, but not taking any chances.

I ALMOST convinced the local Nissan dealer to install the part for me before it's eventual failure, but they emailed me back today and said no after this reply yesterday:

I personally have seen (1) 370z that was towed here for what turned out to be a "Steering Lock Assembly". It was about a year ago and the car was here for about (1) week due to a parts order. I did call Nissan regarding your concern. I was informed that dating back to February of 2011, he found (16) warranty claims for the part number you provided for the 2010 370z. My parts department tells me that the part # you provided does "supercede" to a different part#. However, one of my lead technicians tells me that not all of the 2010 370z's were produced with the same part#. In other words, your vehicle may already have the updated part. I would ask - how do you know the part# that is currently in your vehicle?

I have no issue with replacing the part for you, as long as my Service Director says 'OK'. I will not have a response for you, probably until tomorrow (Thurs).

My concern is that if we remove the existing part from your vehicle and it is sent to Nissan for a warranty claim and it is found to already have the updated part# the claim may be rejected if it has not actually failed internally.

Today:

Unfortunately I was informed that we are not to replace parts under warranty that have not actually failed. Irregardless of what part number is currently in your vehicle. Unless there is an open recall related to that repair. I would need to refer you to Nissan Consumer Affairs at 800-nissan1 to ask if they would authorize the replacement as a precautionary measure.

Dwight Frye 10-11-2012 06:15 PM

You should (A) tell the service manager at your local dealer that "irregardless" isn't a real word, and (B) spend the money for the harness and install it yourself.
It's about the cost of a few fast food meals and a couple of beers. Chalk it up to experience.

If you sell the car in the future, uninstall the harness, the original lock will remain in place (hopefully functional at that time) and you can give the harness to the new owner (with install instructions of course) and let them decide if they want the lock in place or bypassed.

BrianSoCal 10-11-2012 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye (Post 1956791)
You should (A) tell the service manager at your local dealer that "irregardless" isn't a real word, and (B) spend the money for the harness and install it yourself.
It's about the cost of a few fast food meals and a couple of beers. Chalk it up to experience.

If you sell the car in the future, uninstall the harness, the original lock will remain in place (hopefully functional at that time) and you can give the harness to the new owner (with install instructions of course) and let them decide if they want the lock in place or bypassed.

I placed my harness order today

onzedge 10-11-2012 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 1956676)
What revision is you new steering lock?

One can never be too careful :tup:

I have rev D -- the harness is a "just in case" thing.

Six 10-14-2012 12:02 PM

Got the harness in and finally got time to install it.

Install was easy, but I can't get the lock to disengage and the ACC to activate despite beating the hell out of the mechanism. The wheel turns fine, so could the lock be stuck in the disengaged position or is it normal for the wheel to turn and I should resume the beating?

Going to try some more (fingers crossed!)

EDIT: After some more "tapping" I discovered that one of the security screws was loose. I ended up taking the unit off. The lock was disengaged. I'm thinking about taking the thing apart...

EDIT2: Success!!

The lock, disengaged and removed from the Z, sat on my kitchen table as I poured over messageboard threads looking for a solution. The Internet informed me that the device should work if disengaged properly. Obviously mine was in the unlock position but still wasn't working.

I took it out to the Z and plugged it into the harness. It dangled and spun beneath the steering column, nonfunctional. I noticed some of the nasty yellow grease from the lock was smeared on the white leather seats - the HORROR! Getting a paper towel from the house, I wiped the offending lubricant from the cushion and, in spite, from the lock itself. In doing this I noticed how easily the locking mechanism moved. Out of frustration I grabbed the needle-nose pliers used to remove the second tamper-resistant screw and jammed them in and out of the Lock Set-Steering five or six times. I sighed and pushed the start button.

ACC!

Ecstatic I reached below the wheel and unplugged the red pigtails on the harness, disabling the lock. I started the car. I stopped the car.

I held my breath and pushed the start button once.

ACC!

Hooray!! A quick trip to the gas station to air up the tires and I've started five times now without issue.

Thanks x1000 ($?) to the help in this forum! You guys are amazing!

bdl99 10-15-2012 04:27 AM

Six: Thanks for the update and glad everything worked out. Because your lock had already failed or started to fail you certainly appear to have had a little roller-coaster ride there but glad everything is good now.

For anyone reading this is why it is recommended to install the harness (or take other preventative actions) before you have any issues.

BrianSoCal 10-16-2012 01:10 PM

Installed the harness today, very easy, especially with the handy instructions that came with. It took a minute or two to get the factory connector off (the clip is fussy), but was a breeze after that. It's a nice touch that bdl99 includes the cable ties, as I didn't have any already on hand. The harness is a "must have" in my opinion, if you are waiting to order, don't, just do it!

GaleForce 10-16-2012 02:06 PM

I'm biting my finger nails every time I go to start my Z. I ordered the harness last week, it's on the way :tup:

Mitco39 10-16-2012 02:16 PM

I may have missed something here. But was it not determined that you just had to pull a fuse to keep the lock from re-engaging?

Bboyeruga 10-16-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 1777745)

pros and cons of plug and play harness vs pulling the fuse

plug and play harness
pros:
  • the easiest and quickest solution to perform where no trim needs to be removed whatsoever
  • full instructions provided with pictures and a video of the install process
  • fully reversible, either temporarily via switch or by just removing the harness and returning car to factory state
  • it only cuts the power to the lock and not the ecu. When pulling the fuse the power is also removed from the ecu. Some have speculated that this has no downside and that appears to be the case except the delays in starting that many have seen.
cons:
  • it costs $50
pull the fuse:
pros:
  • there is nothing to buy
  • it is also reversible - just put the fuse back in
cons:
  • although straight forward, it is not as quick and easy to install as the harness. Some have broken clips etc and you do need to be careful, but to be completely unbiased many have done this without issues.
  • as mentioned above it does appear that this solution does sometimes cause delays in starting. There are theories that the ecu will learn and adjusting for this and that might be the case. However, typically with ecus they learn by acquiring data and if that is the case it would normally log that data. The data the ecu would be logging is that it issued a pulse to activate the relay but didn't receive the confirmation via the positive feed from the relay to the ecu. If it is really doing this i would expect this data to be presented/reported when a consult unit is attached by the dealer. To date no one has confirmed if this happens or not.

fyi

Mitco39 10-16-2012 02:24 PM

Awesome,

Thanks

Mitch

Bboyeruga 10-16-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39 (Post 1964944)
Awesome,

Thanks

Mitch

No problem. I just got my harness installed and besides having to flip upside down (and get some crazy looks in the parking deck) to get under the steering wheel, the installation is a breeze and a relief.

bdl99 10-16-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 1964890)
I'm biting my finger nails every time I go to start my Z. I ordered the harness last week, it's on the way :tup:

Hope it will arrive soon, I shipped it out the following morning.

GaleForce 10-16-2012 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 1965448)
Hope it will arrive soon, I shipped it out the following morning.

I'm not worried about it. I expect 2-3 weeks delivery time for anything to get here from the U.S.

Also, I really appreciate what you did with the shipping charge for me. Thank you!

BrianSoCal 10-17-2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bboyeruga (Post 1965070)
No problem. I just got my harness installed and besides having to flip upside down (and get some crazy looks in the parking deck) to get under the steering wheel, the installation is a breeze and a relief.

I have to admit, I got claustrophobic for a few seconds when I backed in under there head first, but I settled in nicely once I began fighting the factory clip connector :tup:

bdl99 10-17-2012 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianSoCal (Post 1965971)
I have to admit, I got claustrophobic for a few seconds when I backed in under there head first, but I settled in nicely once I began fighting the factory clip connector :tup:

Yes, helps if you are very bendy.

All the connectors for the AV units and Screen are from the same family of connectors so I've been told I make it look easy. Basically use my nail to hold the clip down and wiggle (that is the technical term I believe)

carboy281 10-18-2012 12:18 PM

Harness
 
Would like to purchase a harness LMK mikev281@yahoo.com I can paypal you today :)

Chico370Z 10-18-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fritz (Post 1674176)
NEW SITUATION
The locks are becoming a legal requirement in some county or country annual tests.

Bless our legislators.


Fritz


So I dont want to be Debbie Downer here, but if it is a "legal" requirement and your car gets stolen and the insurance company realizes that you made this mod (i.e. maybe the car gets recovered) would this really be a good idea? I'm probably just being paranoid and thinking of a another con to all the pros presented here. Maybe something to consider?

GaleForce 10-18-2012 04:34 PM

Received mine today! Thanks.

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/...869970586c.jpg

Meridian69 10-24-2012 01:45 PM

Ack...

I have been inactive on the forms of late... but glad I stumbled across this!

Putting an order for the harness in today!

DLSTR 10-25-2012 03:23 AM

I cant say enough thanks to the developer of this item. Well done! Nice professional alternative to pulling the fuse if you are not comfortable with that option. At least there are options!

GaleForce 10-25-2012 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1979734)
I cant say enough thanks to the developer of this item. Well done! Nice professional alternative to pulling the fuse if you are not comfortable with that option. At least there are options!

:iagree:

SouthArk370Z 10-25-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1979734)
I cant say enough thanks to the developer of this item. Well done! Nice professional alternative to pulling the fuse if you are not comfortable with that option. At least there are options!

:iagree:
I went the cheap route and pulled the fuse (an easy job, but not for the faint of heart), but it is nice to have an option. It looks like it is a well-constructed unit (and buyer reviews confirm this). The security "feature" is nice - I've been thinking that using one/both of the seat heater switches might work but haven't checked the wiring diagrams to see if it will work. If any problems crop up with the fuse-removal method, I'll be buying the harness.

DLSTR 10-25-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 1980107)
:iagree:
I went the cheap route and pulled the fuse (an easy job, but not for the faint of heart), but it is nice to have an option. It looks like it is a well-constructed unit (and buyer reviews confirm this). The security "feature" is nice - I've been thinking that using one/both of the seat heater switches might work but haven't checked the wiring diagrams to see if it will work. If any problems crop up with the fuse-removal method, I'll be buying the harness.

Check the parts for sale sight on occasion maybe one will come up for sale! No matter the route taken this problem is no longer a concern. Frustrating the GTR folks had a recall and we dont. Absurd!

GJ1966 10-31-2012 02:21 PM

Steering lock just gone - £1800!!!
 
Where can I get one of these quick? Can I get the car to start by simply pulling the fuse and if so, where is it?
The car is in the local Nissan dealer now and they are supposed to be ordering the parts in the morning...

GaleForce 10-31-2012 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GJ1966 (Post 1991579)
Where can I get one of these quick? Can I get the car to start by simply pulling the fuse and if so, where is it?
The car is in the local Nissan dealer now and they are supposed to be ordering the parts in the morning...

You're sunk if the steering lock has already failed.

CAN-ZED 11-19-2012 12:23 PM

just saw and reviewed this post, wow scary stuff and expensive it it happens to you!
just placed my order today, car is hibernation for the Canadian winter so lots of time to do it before next spring :tup:

bdl99 11-19-2012 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAN-ZED (Post 2023114)
just saw and reviewed this post, wow scary stuff and expensive it it happens to you!
just placed my order today, car is hibernation for the Canadian winter so lots of time to do it before next spring :tup:

Thanks for the order which shipped today.

Mitco39 11-19-2012 08:06 PM

I also ordered this from Brian along with the backup camera and Nav bypass, got everything promptly and would highly recommend using Brian's harnesses for all these mods. :D

weslmac 12-06-2012 03:15 AM

Posted my story in the fuse thread for the steering lock but was told today by a Nissan Production Line Diagnostic Engineer to not pull the fuse to disable to steering lock. I will take his advise just based on the fact that he was wearing a Nissan uniform. Plus, who am I to question the folks that build the car.

SouthArk370Z 12-06-2012 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by weslmac (Post 2047688)
Posted my story in the fuse thread for the steering lock but was told today by a Nissan Production Line Diagnostic Engineer to not pull the fuse to disable to steering lock. I will take his advise just based on the fact that he was wearing a Nissan uniform. Plus, who am I to question the folks that build the car.

Did he give you a reason or was it just the typical "don't mod your car" corporate answer? I'm guessing you would have gotten the same response if you had asked about using 3rd-party brake pads or any other common upgrade.

In most circumstances, I would be inclined toward the go-with-the-pro stance - but not in this particular case. Too many ppl have killed power to the SLU (fuse, harness, clip wire), myself included, without any problems.
But I certainly can't blame you, or anyone else, for taking the word of a factory rep over a bunch of hobbyists.

Baer383 12-08-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2047720)
Did he give you a reason or was it just the typical "don't mod your car" corporate answer? I'm guessing you would have gotten the same response if you had asked about using 3rd-party brake pads or any other common upgrade.

In most circumstances, I would be inclined toward the go-with-the-pro stance - but not in this particular case. Too many ppl have killed power to the SLU (fuse, harness, clip wire), myself included, without any problems.
But I certainly can't blame you, or anyone else, for taking the word of a factory rep over a bunch of hobbyists.

Go to your local dealership and talk to Nissan techs they don't know have as much about the "Z" as people on this site,so to say that you shouldn't take the word of a "bunch of hobbyist" is very close minded, considering myself who made that thread and I have been working on cars for a living for 27yrs.:shakes head:

SouthArk370Z 12-08-2012 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2051690)
Go to your local dealership and talk to Nissan techs they don't know have as much about the "Z" as people on this site,

I understand that, you understand that, and many ppl on this site understand that. But not everyone does.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2051690)
so to say that you shouldn't take the word of a "bunch of hobbyist" is very close minded, considering myself who made that thread and I have been working on cars for a living for 27yrs.:shakes head:

I should have worded that a bit different. How about:
I can understand how you might think someone with a Nissan patch on their shirt, who _should_ be an expert, would know better than Some Guy On The Intertubes.

Baer383 12-08-2012 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2051743)
I can understand how you might think someone with a Nissan patch on their shirt, who _should_ be an expert, would know better than Some Guy On The Intertubes.

He could have been a porter.

The guy who has this problem in Japan has been a member here since 2011 now he may have a low post count (some people will say:rolleyes:)but since he posted his "experience" on a steering lock thread tells me he has been trolling around the forum reading the threads and not posting so my point is apparently he has had enough information to decide which route to take but no he decides to "post my story" on a public thread.

Like I said in the other thread he can leave the fuse in and I will be the first to say I told you so.

SouthArk370Z 12-08-2012 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2051764)
He could have been a porter. ...

heehee I guess I'm still not making myself clear. The patch gives most ppl the perception of authority, especially if the patch present itself as an expert. While it may be wrong to assume that, it's still what they believe. I think it's a rather foolish assumption, but I understand that is how some ppl are. If someone wants to believe the patch over you or other knowledgeable ppl on this site I think they are making a mistake, but I can understand why they feel that way.

I would trust the advice of many on this site, yourself included, over what some dealer told me ... but I'll still verify any advice (thank you Ronnie Reagan).

weslmac 12-10-2012 05:57 AM

Baer383 as such a veteran of this forum as you are (some may say by the number of posts) I just wanted you to know I will be keeping the fuse. Thanks for the advise...

Baer383 12-10-2012 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weslmac (Post 2053040)
Baer383 as such a veteran of this forum as you are (some may say by the number of posts) I just wanted you to know I will be keeping the fuse. Thanks for the advise...

Don't forget that I was one of the guys that discovered this,do as you wish but if it happens I will say I told you so.

hfrog355 12-17-2012 11:56 AM

Have spent half my morning reading up on this ridiculous problem as my steering lock failed this weekend. Totally didn't know this was an issue until I sat in the grocery parking lot with melting ice cream waiting to get picked up because my lock had failed.

At any rate, I want to order the harness and go that route. I take it it isn't too late to order it? It seems to have the fewest downsides of any of the solutions.

My question is, what are the other possible methods we might have of getting the lock to disengage one last time? Just gotta get it undone once...


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